FDA to spend $9.5 million to develop new “reference” cigarettes, issues RFA

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stevegmu

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I used to live in Fairfax City- 12 miles west of DC. Extremely high property values and taxes are why civic projects got done. The only federal grant the city got that I can remember was money for hybrid busses, which ended up costing a lot more than the money the city got.

The suburbs around DC are so wealthy because the majority of people either work for the federal government, are associated with the federal government are federal contractors, lawyers for the government, lobbyists, or make money from those who are.

I don't want money from the federal government- either for myself or community.
 

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I used to live in Fairfax City- 12 miles west of DC. Extremely high property values and taxes are why civic projects got done. The only federal grant the city got that I can remember was money for hybrid busses

Then you are uninformed.

I can look it up and pretty much guarantee FC got fed money for tons of stuff, and so does the community you live in today. ( I am becoming convinced, as I read and post to these kinds of topics, that many of you have no idea how much FED money flows thru your commmunities. That is why you are against it and say you don't need it. :blink:)

EMS, Firefighters and emergency department staffing
Stormwater handling/runoff
FC public school system
Washington Dulles International Airport
Several universities and colleges
National Parks
Art spaces and parks
Fort Belvoir
Highway system
and the list goes on........and on..........

I don't want money from the federal government- either for myself or community.

Well Steve, I would really hate to see what most communities in America look like w/out it. Perhaps Haiti or Jamaica. :facepalm:
 

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Then you are uninformed.

I can look it up and pretty much guarantee FC got fed money for tons of stuff, and so does the community you live in today. ( I am becoming convinced, as I read and post to these kinds of topics, that many of you have no idea how much FED money flows thru your commmunities. That is why you are against it and say you don't need it. :blink:)

EMS, Firefighters and emergency department staffing
Stormwater handling/runoff
FC public school system
Washington Dulles International Airport
Several universities and colleges
National Parks
Art spaces and parks
Fort Belvoir
Highway system
and the list goes on........and on..........



Well Steve, I would really hate to see what most communities in America look like w/out it. Perhaps Haiti or Jamaica. :facepalm:

I'm talking about the excess money for needless projects- like art spaces, robotic squirrels, hybrid busses which cost the city a lot more than the grant, salamander tunnels, etc.

Of course federal money goes to important projects. I don't want to hire a grant writer so my community can get a grant to open a lab which tests the flow rate of ketchup.

This is about tax money needlessly wasted- like $9.5 million to develop a model cigarette.
 

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I disagree - not that the money is going to those things, but that it's getting there in the LEAST EFFICIENT MANNER EVER KNOWN TO MAN. The funds FIRST finance the bureaucracy itself, and are then put to use under questionable tactics and wasteful spending. If a "community" dedicated to funding a national park got to RETAIN the money that goes THROUGH the federal government in the first place, then that park wouldn't be understaffed - or closed right now. If MY community got to, for instance, decline to pay tax earmarked for education, but instead collected and spent locally, then my kid's school wouldn't have to beg for money to buy books. And paper. And markers. And teachers wouldn't get laid off every summer.
A federal government is necessary for some things. Like defense. And perhaps roads.
But they are TERRIBLE at all this other stuff that they want control of.
Like whether people vape.

Come on, spending TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on cigarette research?
That's just people spending other people's money for the sake of spending it, and for the sake of power.



Then you are uninformed.

I can look it up and pretty much guarantee FC got fed money for tons of stuff, and so does the community you live in today. ( I am becoming convinced, as I read and post to these kinds of topics, that many of you have no idea how much FED money flows thru your commmunities. That is why you are against it and say you don't need it. :blink:)

EMS, Firefighters and emergency department staffing
Stormwater handling/runoff
FC public school system
Washington Dulles International Airport
Several universities and colleges
National Parks
Art spaces and parks
Fort Belvoir
Highway system
and the list goes on........and on..........



Well Steve, I would really hate to see what most communities in America look like w/out it. Perhaps Haiti or Jamaica. :facepalm:
 
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The only thing stupider than FDA spending lots of money to develop more cigarettes is the agency proposing the "deeming" regulation on e-cigs, which would ban their sales.

I would like to offer another alternative to the "only thing stupider" category

Cow flatulence testing!
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When someone said "how stupid can you be" they took it as a challenge
 

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I don't see anything referencing e-nic or electronic cigarettes-

It just looks like they are trying to make a 'better', standard cigarette. Perhaps once their experiment is over, they will tell tobacco companies their cigarettes must conform to their 'better' one.

At this point, the FDA would not be able to allocate any money for studying e-cigarettes, because they are not regulated under the Tobacco Act.

The only good news is that the money that supports the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products comes from fees that the tobacco companies pay, which for fiscal year 2013 are $505,000,000 for "each manufacturer or importer of tobacco products subject to this chapter."
 

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What a long winded contract reading.
When did the phrase turn from smoking can or might into really really does cause lung cancer in passerbys? Wasn't that debunked a thousand times over? Didn't SG exaggerate the 5% harmful, yaddayadda?
They now want pkgs to optionally say WARNING: Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease in nonsmokers

Non-smoke, no-smoke, smoke-free, etc phrases can't be used?
No radio advertising for SmokeSfree safer alternatives.
No saying safer alternative...

I may need to wait until the higher IQ crowd arrives, and deciphers, I don't think I quite understand ...

Ps. They're declaring nicotine to be Highly Addictive. Is this why we are all running around in vegetative states sucking on tomatos, eggplants, potatos, red peppers...
 
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Here's the FDA request document re-written in plain English for five-year-olds or people who have been awake a very long time.

A letter from the FDA to the world:

We have been told by Congress and the President to do tobacco research. We can’t do any research on cigarettes until we know what the properties of an average cigarette is. We want someone to build a totally average tobacco cigarette. That way, when we examine any other cigarette, we’ll have something to compare it to.
This will be good for us in two ways. First, we’ll learn about aspects of cigarettes we haven’t yet measured very well, such as the properties of things besides tar, nicotine, and carbon dioxide. Second, when a company claims to have made a safer tobacco product, everyone will be able to prove or disprove their claims by comparing it to this totally average cigarette.

This will be good for science. Science is good for public health. Here’s a big list of ways a totally average cigarette can be helpful.
-Scientists can prove they know how to measure something they already know is there.
-Scientists can prove that their cigarette-measuring devices are working.
-Employee training
-Scientists can prove that their experiments are smartly designed.
-A control model to compare other cigarettes to.

Here’s what we need.
We need totally average cigarettes. They need to be made all at once, and last for several years.
You need to measure these totally average cigarettes and show that they all have the same tobacco blend, chemical additives, size, filter, etc.
You will need to tell us how to store them once you give them to us.
You need to be able to ship them to us 7-10 days after we ask you for them, and keep them safe during transit.
We’re probably not going to do any research ourselves. Instead, we’ll hire other companies to do it for us. So when you send us the data on your totally average cigarette, make sure you write it down in a way other scientists will understand.

THE GRAND PRIZE
We’re allowed to pay someone about ten million dollars over five years. If you win, we’ll totally give you everything we’re allowed to give you. We’ll give you two thirds of the money during the first year. You can only use the money for things we OK in advance.

WHO CAN ENTER?
You can only build these for us if you are a college or university (especially schools for Hispanics, blacks, Native Americans, Asians, or Pacific Islanders), a nonprofit organization, a small or big business, a government, a school district, a housing authority, a Native American tribal group, a religious group, or any other group.

You can’t build this for us if you’re foreign.

In order to build this for us, you must be registered with Dun & Bradstreet, NATO, Grants.gov, and a few other agencies. The person in charge must be registered as well.

We want qualified people to be in charge of this, especially minorities.

ENTRY FORMS
(This is a big section on which forms you need to fill out)

HOW TO WIN
Here’s how we’ll pick a winner. If your totally average cigarette does everything we want it to do, you get 10 points. If the person in charge is a qualified to do science and leadership, you get 25 points. If you’ve measured everything right and presented it smartly, you get 30 points. If your lab is clean and well-organized, you get 25 points. If you don’t take more than five years, you get 10 points.

We will also consider some other factors, but we won’t tell you how many points you get for them. Did you use human test subjects? If so, what safety measures did you use? Did you include women, minorities, and children in your project? Did you include animal testing? If so, what protections do you have for the animals?

We’ll also make sure your budget makes sense to us.

After we review your entry, we’ll send you back a report card.
 
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Just thinking why doesn't the FDA just go to BT with there specs and say how much? You know they have the best research on cigarettes and could produce any amount they need in a week or so. I mean here is the average cigarette from our last 50 years of research, do you need that in menthol? They would probably pocket 9 of the 9.5 million.

Can see it now, two weeks after they delivered them they would be on the shelf in plain white packages marked FDA standard cigarette and selling at a premium.

:D
 

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Does the FDA honestly believe that the reason cigarettes cause so much disease and early death centers around inaccurate measurements of various chemicals in unburned cigarettes?

Probably. Just like the reason some painkillers didn't test well was a problem with the test, not with the medication. Of course the new tests were designed by manufacturers at a closed meeting they had to pay $25k to attend - but it's not "pay tp play".

[h=1]Pharmaceutical firms paid to attend meetings of panel that advises FDA


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Just thinking why doesn't the FDA just go to BT with there specs and say how much? You know they have the best research on cigarettes and could produce any amount they need in a week or so. I mean here is the average cigarette from our last 50 years of research, do you need that in menthol? They would probably pocket 9 of the 9.5 million.

Can see it now, two weeks after they delivered them they would be on the shelf in plain white packages marked FDA standard cigarette and selling at a premium.

:D

This was a joke, but after reading this $2 billion boondoogle Fiery, Metal-Melting Explosions at NSA Data Center Stump Investigators | TIME.com and watching this unfold, Obamacare's broken website cost more than LinkedIn, Spotify combined | Digital Trends, I'm beginning to think they really need to do it. Otherwise we'll end up with a $60 million dollar cigarette that won't burn.

I mean GOOGLE could have built the data center at half the cost and it would have worked when it was turned on, probably with better security. The Obamacare site? E-insurance has been selling it on line for years ask them how to do it right.

:(:grr:
 
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