Fox & Friends Interview

[AttyPops]

Legitimize = Have the FDA regulate e-cigs and nic so big tobacco can squeeze the little guy out.


There I go again, I have to stop the politics.

Well, that's more on-topic. I suppose BT could have gone with the "We'll monopolize the e-juice market and be the best suppliers of nicotine base on the planet" route. devices change. But they went with the "lock everyone into pre-filled (proprietary in some cases) cartos" route.

It's interesting to note that the blu stuff is 510 compatible.

We'll see how it all shakes out.

I'm stocking up on nic-base.

 

[kiwivap]

The eVic already has user data ports on it. You can pull up data about your vaping. The concept is not without precedent.

And it's a good way to monitor use and quality control.

lol.

True that. I really am waiting for the plug into your phone and connect with personal vaping app. Now that's doable.

 

[AttyPops]

If they are monitoring the usage data with the recycle program, along with the "proprietary" connection and the "puff quality" monitoring....it's brilliant. The monitoring would be anonymous as far as I know.

IDK if it will succeed. It's pricey. And proprietary. But it's brilliant.

lol.

(Disclaimer....all guesswork).

 

[EddardinWinter]

Well, that's more on-topic. I suppose BT could have gone with the "We'll monopolize the e-juice market and be the best suppliers of nicotine base on the planet" route. Devices change. But they went with the "lock everyone into pre-filled (proprietary in some cases) cartos" route.

It's interesting to note that the blu stuff is 510 compatible.

We'll see how it all shakes out.

I'm stocking up on nic-base.

Atty-

I respect you like nobody's business. When I see guys like you and DC (I think that is right) say you are stocking up on base, it makes me sad. In my mind, that is an admission that the bad guys have already won, or that you are prepared to let them win. I am sure your natural response is, nope, I am preparing for the worst. And I do not blame any man for that.

I have no plans to do so. I am gonna buy my e-liquids from the vendors I love and keep my normal 45-60 day supply. I will not change my ways to accommodate these fascists (and that is EXACTLY what they are) taking over our industry. Now is the time to get involved with CASAA. I suspect RJR would manipulate the system to take over the e-liquid industry if permitted to. They have already attempted some maneuvers that buttress that position.

That would be a great American tragedy. The e-liquid market is one place in vaping where American manufacturers truly shine. Wanna know why? It is still an unregulated industry where people can do whatever they can do to make a great product. If the FDA and their pecksniffian hyena allies succeed in destroying this wonderful cottage industry, it will be a horrible loss to us all.

Let's defend it to the last and bitter end!

 

[AttyPops]

Well, I agree with the "Keep nic base free" thing Lion!

I have been vaping for about 3 years. I've seen my share of panic posts...and haven't stocked up on nic base yet. However, more and more, I'm seeing this "pre-filled" trend continuing with BT.

We'll see. I want to see what happens when someone refills one of these Vuse cartos. Maybe it will continue to work (but I have doubts).

Hell, at $30.00 per kit and 10$ per extra battery...if it was refillable so I could get a few days out of a carto...I'd try it out "just for fun". I'd probably stay with my VV box mod though. I don't use Blu now, for example, and they are refillable cartos.

I admit to a....cig-a-like...craving now and then. I know some serious vapers that have a cig-a-like or two around with their APVs too.

We can build PV's Lion. We have a hard time with the nic base. That's the concern. And always has been. It's a timing thing on stocking up. It's guesswork. I haven't panicked yet.

 

[supermarket]

The sad truth is the best source for what is going on in the US are foreign news sources. The reason is that they have no real interest in one side or the other.

I LOVE my sister for being able to speak 6 different languages, and having traveled around the entire world. It is unbelievable the different perspectives people have, on the SAME thing....depending on where they live/what their culture is.

It is SOOOOO weird to watch the news from foreign countries, reporting on the same thing. ENTIRELY different take, more often than not.

 

[supermarket]

If anything this thread has enlightened me.

I wanna thank all those who have engaged in (mostly civil ) exchange of ideas/views in this thread.

Nice to see people still actually thinking for themselves, instead of being "sheep" and regurgitating everything they are fed.

I love ECF!

Amen to that!


You know, REGARDLESS of what topic is being discussed, and what points are being brought up....the MOMENT emotion/anger/ego takes ahold in the discussion, is the moment most people shut down being open to new ideas, and instead more or less are in a battle of trying to convince each other who is right.

However, it is AMAZING what you can learn from people when you keep an open heart and an open mind. Life is one big puzzle, NO ONE has all the pieces.

 

[supermarket]

First, this brings to mind the old term: "the kettle calling the pot black". I point out that a previous post ONLY singled out Fox news as being a "faux" news organization but ignored the bais on the other side of the political specturm in news organizations like MSNBC. And then you infer that I am a Conservative and that Conservatives are "ALWAYS" on the edge and quick to critcize. If you really believed your diatribe later in your post, you would not have been "one-sided" in those comments or inferred that I am a Conservative. But the incongruity of your comments have escaped you. If you had stated that BOTH extremes are quick to critcize, your later comments would have more validity. But I suspect we know why you didn't.

Second, if you really understood history and read the political beliefs of Washington and Alexander Hamilton and the actions of Thomas Jefferson (regardless of his writings) and John Adams, you would understand they were strong supporters of stong, central and intrusive government. John Adams signed into law the Alien & Sedition Act of 1798, no less!!

Your "rant" has many holes in it.

We could argue for hours, and days, and I think it is apparent we are both head strong in our own opinions. I have NO desire to convince anyone that "I" am right, or "You" are wrong. Let's just agree to disagree.

For the record, I also disagree of your take on Thomas Jefferson. I too, am versed in American History, and I honestly don't see how you pretend me was all for big government.

Taken from Wiki:

"While Jefferson believed most persons could not escape corrupting dependence, the franchise should be extended only to those who could. His fear of dependence and patronage made Jefferson dislike established institutions, such as banking, government, or military. He disliked inter-generational dependence, as well as its manifestations, such as national debt and unalterable governments"

Of course, that is from wikipedia, but I challenge you to open up the history books and start researching yourself. He wasn't this pro-government, pro-federal over state guy you seem to think he is.


edit: Also, our ACTIONS themselves are interconnected to everything around us. Thomas Jefferson did what all men do....he made decisions within the framework that the challenges presented themselves in.

 

[wv2win]

.........Government never solved anything. It is a necessary evil, and our very FOUNDING fathers UNDERSTOOD THIS....................../rant over

We could argue for hours, and days, and I think it is apparent we are both head strong in our own opinions. I have NO desire to convince anyone that "I" am right, or "You" are wrong. Let's just agree to disagree.

For the record, I also disagree of your take on Thomas Jefferson. I too, am versed in American History, and I honestly don't see how you pretend me was all for big government.

Taken from Wiki:

"While Jefferson believed most persons could not escape corrupting dependence, the franchise should be extended only to those who could. His fear of dependence and patronage made Jefferson dislike established institutions, such as banking, government, or military. He disliked inter-generational dependence, as well as its manifestations, such as national debt and unalterable governments"

Of course, that is from wikipedia, but I challenge you to open up the history books and start researching yourself. He wasn't this pro-government, pro-federal over state guy you seem to think he is.


edit: Also, our ACTIONS themselves are interconnected to everything around us. Thomas Jefferson did what all men do....he made decisions within the framework that the challenges presented themselves in.

1. In your original post you used the term "founding fathers" that emcompasses more than just Jefferson. Washington, Hamilton, Adams, etc are part of that group. You clearly don't understand what type of government many of them supported.

2. I clearly stated Jefferson's "actions", not his words, were supportive of big government. Prior to the 1860's, Jefferson perpetrated the largest secret expenditure of government funds without the approval of the Congress or the people. His use of political lies and mud-slingling was legendary. I'm still glad he was a member of the Founding Fathers, but he was not what you portend him to be. Plus you used Wiki to make your point which diminishes your point.

3. You totally ignored my valid point that your "rant" on political parties and government is full of holes, because you only point to Conservatives as being quick to critcize. Your bias is showing.

4. If you are going to be critical of the political system, then try to be balanced in your criticism and put your bias to the side.

 

[DC2]

I have been vaping for about 3 years. I've seen my share of panic posts...and haven't stocked up on nic base yet. However, more and more, I'm seeing this "pre-filled" trend continuing with BT.

Yeah, I've been vaping for 4 years now, and I hadn't ever stocked up before either.
But I pulled the trigger a few weeks ago when that kid in Israel was reported to have died from drinking e-juice.

 

[DaveP]

I pulled the trigger on ejuice and ordered almost 500ml of my favorite Dekang juices when PBusardo pulled the April's Fool prank about the FDA shutting down ecig sales. After I ordered, I went back and read it again. That time I got far enough to read the April's Fool footer! I'm good for a while!

As an aside from the topic, I think we all should vape respectfully and openly in public. Almost every time I use my ecig in a restaurant someone taps me on the shoulder or catches my attention and asks me about my ecig. They are always positive and inquisitive, never rude or disdaining. I get to explain how it works and how it got me off tobacco and they are amazed. I vape it a couple of times and exhale to demonstrate.

Most people who smoke are getting tired of paying the price and they are worrying about their health. If it's not them, it's a friend or relative that they are trying to influence. When we demonstrate our ecig for them, they get to see one in actual use and hear about our experiences. Happy people tell more people and help spread to word about how they know someone who quit easily by using one of those things.

Most of us have run into very few vapers in public. That's a real shame. Show your PV when you go out. I think you'll find that people are curious and positively receptive to the concept. In over 3 years of vaping in public, I have yet to have anyone make a rude comment toward me for using it. It's all been positive. They know it's not tobacco because it doesn't smell like tobacco.

 

[ScottP]

So I have been thinking about this "200 puff counter" and I see a problem with it already. Not everyone vapes the same. Some take really long slow puffs. Other take short quick puffs. Will you really get 200 puffs if you take long slow puffs or will you empty the carto first? What happens if you get one and only take very small short puffs on it? Do you still only get 200 puffs leaving the carto half full?

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I did find it hard to take when the guy in the video said they would "legitimize" ecigs. Oh puhleeeze.

Am I the only one not interested in this thing in the slightest? All I hear in that commercial is " pay us alot more of your money to be able to do what youre already doing with an inferior product because we say its superior."

I cant believe that guy "Oh we have SUPERIOR knowledge of adults that vape which is why our product is so SUPERIOR..." FOH dude

 

[AttyPops]

So I have been thinking about this "200 puff counter" and I see a problem with it already. Not everyone vapes the same. Some take really long slow puffs. Other take short quick puffs. Will you really get 200 puffs if you take long slow puffs or will you empty the carto first? What happens if you get one and only take very small short puffs on it? Do you still only get 200 puffs leaving the carto half full?

Keep in mind that it's all supposition and guesswork. We really don't know how it works yet....

For example, it may time the total heating duration. Or do nothing but record puffs. Don't know.

 

[charlzrocks]

So I have been thinking about this "200 puff counter" and I see a problem with it already. Not everyone vapes the same. Some take really long slow puffs. Other take short quick puffs. Will you really get 200 puffs if you take long slow puffs or will you empty the carto first? What happens if you get one and only take very small short puffs on it? Do you still only get 200 puffs leaving the carto half full?

BT is now gonna tell us all about the "Perfect" puff? Ya gotta be kidding! Like you said, we all vape differently! And being who they are and what they have done in the past with stinkies and the addictive additives, who knows what they are going to use for ingredients in these things? I call BS and red flag the product for what it is, another attempt to keep us addicted to their product and branding. Won't be long before we see "Joe Camel" up on the big screen again with their brand of cigalike, what a load of fresh hot wet-packed steaming propaganda.

 

[ScottP]

Keep in mind that it's all supposition and guesswork. We really don't know how it works yet....

For example, it may time the total heating duration. Or do nothing but record puffs. Don't know.

Well if I was a user and discovered I was throwing away half of the juice, I would be mad. Of course I have no interest in trying it anyway, so I'll leave it to the ones that try it to report on it.

 

[AttyPops]

Well if I was a user and discovered I was throwing away half of the juice, I would be mad. Of course I have no interest in trying it anyway, so I'll leave it to the ones that try it to report on it.

Well, to be fair...let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think they are trying to produce a product that you only get partial use of depending on usage style. I think they're advertising consistency so....who knows.

Just because one article said it counted puffs ...doesn't mean that the max # of puffs....is some constant #. It could be calculated based on puff duration or something. Who knows what it really is? Not me. Just guessing.

It WILL be interesting to see what they did. But like I said, for me...I'd want to be able to refill it and decide for myself when to throw it out. But I'm an existing e-cig user. They may be targeting current smokers that don't want a "futz factor", for example.

 

[schotzky]

9 words, ProVari and lots of nicotine liquid. Winter is coming.

 

[ScottP]

Winter is coming.

Winter has been coming for 3 Seasons now. I am beginning to wonder if it is ever actually going to get here. It's still a great show though. can't wait for the Season Finale tomorrow.

 

[DaveP]

I think the RJ ecig will attract as many users as the Blu from Lorrillard. Expect all cigarette makers to acquire their own technology. It looks like RJ knows that Lorrillard bought theirs. RJ "invented" theirs or you'd think that hearing about their ability to bring things from concept to market efficiently.

At any rate, the emergence of commercial tobacco companies may just "legitimize" ecigs with the American public or they could just create a negative association with tobacco cigs and destroy the differential effect that electronic cigarettes have enjoyed.

Those of us who know the difference will probably leave it alone or buy one just to see if it measures up. I don't expect seasoned vapers to switch, though. There's too many obvious negatives, starting with the price of juice.

I would like to know how they calculate that one carto equals a pack of cigs. If that doesn't pan out, then it won't be half price vaping ($3 cartos instead of $6 a pack).