I did the same a couple of days ago. Cartos are it for me during the work day. No leaking, compatible form factor, I stay discreet, they taste fine.
FUTURE IDEA: Variable Voltage X2?
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I did the same a couple of days ago. Cartos are it for me during the work day. No leaking, compatible form factor, I stay discreet, they taste fine.
If SI put out a vv I'd try it. I am pretty happy with my X2s tho. My purple 650 now goes to work with me, and my 78mms also as some situations require something more discreet.
I have noticed more noobs jumping straight into vv devices - so they are becoming more of a beginner thing than they used to be. Although I suspect most noobs are vaping them at 3.7 anyway.
I have noticed more noobs jumping straight into vv devices - so they are becoming more of a beginner thing than they used to be. Although I suspect most noobs are vaping them at 3.7 anyway.
Ooooh, me like. If I ever decide to go to manual I'm definitely going to consider this one. I really like the smallosity of it. Very cool looking!
If SI put out a vv I'd try it. I am pretty happy with my X2s tho. My purple 650 now goes to work with me, and my 78mms also as some situations require something more discreet.
I have noticed more noobs jumping straight into vv devices - so they are becoming more of a beginner thing than they used to be. Although I suspect most noobs are vaping them at 3.7 anyway.
Kiwi, you're statement is spot on. I just responded to a thread where a new vapor stated exactly that, and have seen many more throughout the forum. I love my 650 too and just ordered another, I have two 900's but leave them at home as they are a little large. My 78's go with me on the "short trips".
Being a noob myself, I felt like I was innudated with Ego Twist/Vivi Nova advice from everywhere, I already knew I was going to order the Volt as I knew someone who had used them consistently for over 7 months. But wow it was confusing the first few days in the forums trying to read all that information, etc. I even read in one New Member post, they were told to just skip everything everyone told them and get a Provari (I had to look it up to see what it was) and I was floored.
If SI put out a vv I'd try it. I am pretty happy with my X2s tho. My purple 650 now goes to work with me, and my 78mms also as some situations require something more discreet.
I have noticed more noobs jumping straight into vv devices - so they are becoming more of a beginner thing than they used to be. Although I suspect most noobs are vaping them at 3.7 anyway.
Not only most noobs vape them at around 3.7v but many experienced people vape them at around that voltage too.
I have a Twist and somewhere between 3.5 to 4v is usually the sweet spot for me. Some juices just taste and work better at 3.5..otheres at around 4v. It is GREAT to be able to fine tune the vape.
Something like a Twist is not rocket science, if you can work a toaster you can work the Twist. Get burnt hits on your CE3???? turn the dial down an notch. It's that simple.
I love my 78's and will continue to vape them as I love the format, but for my larger devices I won't go back to a fixed voltage.
They may not be for you then, adjustment requires a little more finesse.My last toaster end up on the driveway with a sledgehammer in the middle of it.
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Absolutely. As I had wrote in a previous post, since starting this thread I had ordered a few eGo Twists along with a few tanks and it has spoiled me. As far as VV goes, it doesn't get much more easier than a Twist, however, it does open up more options which can be a little confusing (and costly) to new users.
Since testing the VV waters myself, I have to say that my opinions and thoughts have changed somewhat from those in my original post(s). At first, I thought that just introducing a future VV X2ish style battery would solve all problems by allowing for individual preferences, but now I know it would be much more than just the device. Much more. The world of VV opens up a slew of other options - low res cartos and atties, high res, single coil, dual coil, rebuildables, carto mods, etc etc, the list can go on and on. To the average person just starting out on vaping, this might as well be a different language all together. It can without a doubt be a little overwhelming...at first.
In my case, I have been vaping for a year and a half now, and along the way I have absorbed much knowledge on the various differences between equipment which was already a big help as I made my transition into VV. I am also very resourceful and I know that others may not be so and become easily discouraged. In that respect, I believe that VV vaping could in fact cause more problems than solutions when it comes to people just starting out with the transition from analogs to PV's, but I am not saying it wouldn't be worth it!
Variable voltage for me has been a different world with the difference being night and day versus regulated vaping. Since purchasing my Twists, I have now bought various other low and high res cartos and tanks and it is funny to me the differences you can truly taste and feel between each one. Just last week I stepped up my game even more and purchased a Zmax VV/VW mod (biggest purchase I have made since I started out vaping) and I am in love with it. Just one 18650 2000mah battery is lasting me well over two days of moderate vaping on an average of 5v and I have been totally blown away by the performance of such a powerful PV. I have been very happy so far.
So the bottom line is...would I recommend something like an eGo Twist or a future VV X2 to someone just starting out on vaping and curious about the option of VV? Sure I would, but with some added words of caution about what it all entails (mainly costs lol) when getting into the world of variable voltage. Would I recommend getting one of the many APV's on the market to someone just starting out? No way. Besides the costs involved with some of the high end APV's (my stainless steel Zmax cost me $130 just for the device, no batteries, no charger, and the ProVari is around $160 just for the device), there is the added confusion and costs of what else you will need to get it right. Vaping doesn't always work out for everyone who tries it (I have slipped along the way), and to go all out and make a $100+ initial investment on a PV only to get discouraged and/or go back to smoking after a month is just plain ole throwing your money away. Learn to crawl before you walk! Besides, if you start out on top of the mountain, where do you go from there? ;-)
My stainless steel Zmax variable voltage/variable wattage mod. Bliss is just 6 little watts!
Maybe I'm off base here, but I often wonder about VV and low or high resistance atomizers. Watts is watts, whether they're produced at a lower voltage or a higher voltage makes absolutely no difference. Too many watts and everything tastes burned, 'cause it is. I know some folks like to "fine tune" things, playing with .1 volt increments until they find their "sweet spot" but sometimes I think that's also just a head game. Bottom line is, if it works for you, variable voltage, regulated voltage or just an unregulated battery, it's the "right" solution. I know if I get into VV it'll have to have a nice LED voltmeter built in, but then I think about the current used to run that, even just a few milliamps, and I hate the thought of wasting that power. Just me being "picky" (and ....). For now, regulated batteries and high resistance (even that's a relative term) atomizer work to keep me off of tobacco.
Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.
Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.
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Once again, I completely agree with you awsum.
I personally avoid even considering such things, because once I start down that road, I would easily fall into the trap of constantly thinking if I just got the next thing it would be even better. I would probably spend hundreds of dollars to just end up going back to the X2 or be perpetually dissatisfied thinking if I just bought this next cool piece I would be happy.
I am satisfied enough with my X2's and clearomizers.
Now, on the other hand, I just got paid yesterday and am planning on placing an order with WL today to start my journey into DIY e-juice. This could be fun.
Mark
No you're not off base, we're just approaching the question from different perspectives.
VV can be as simple or complex as you want to make it. For a company such as SI that caters to the beginning and mid-range vapor’s (or is it vaporerers?) the simplest approach would be best.
I would suggest the simplest VV approach would be along the lines of a Twist calibrated towards their existing standard resistance cartos and tanks. This would be calibrated with a minimum setting of about 3.2v and a maximum setting of about 4.2v so that in most cases using their existing cartos / tanks it wouldn’t go too low or too high. To avoid further confusion I’d skip the voltage numbers and label it Hot, normal and cool with “normal” being about 3.6v.
I really think that most people would find such a VV battery easy to use.
Adjusting a couple of tenths makes a REAL and not imaginary change just as a few tenths of an ohm can make a big difference. Just plug some numbers into your wattage formula and you can see how it impacts wattage.
2.5 ohm carto 3.6v gives 5.18 watts
2.5 ohm carto 4v gives 6.4 watts
3.6v with 2 ohm carto gives 6.48
You most likely can tell the difference between a LR and SR carto so using the same carto you would be able to tell the difference between 3.6 and 4 volts just the same.
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I hear ya. I may try a VV device in the future. I know what my goal is though and that is stop inhaling anything other than polluted air
I had stopped messing with the DIY stuff because my stomach lately has been a mess. I attributed it to the DIY stuff. Finally I went to the doc. I had been to him before recently (dang hard partying younger years is catching up with me in old age). He thinks it may be an ulcer.. which he said well you have stopped smoking right? You are just using the electronic cigarette now? I said yes. He said well that isn't smoking so that couldn't have affect on your symptoms. There is nothing in those things. I was really thinking the vaping was causing this and was dreading going back to the sticks.
You don't know how happy I was to hear that. According to him I am not a smoker! Likely though the smoking has contributed to this. I just want to say again my doc said I wasn't a smoker.
The other thing about VV is that if it's used at a lower voltage to accommodate a lower resistance atomizer it will produce higher current than would be required for a higher resistance, higher voltage atomizer. That can make the battery go low more quickly since battery ratings and capacity are based on amp/milliamp hours. It's still a function of total power, but the losses in the battery tend to increase as the current demand increases.
I have been reading a lot about the way it works. One of my problems is I dont quite understand. I am one of those people that need to understand fully before ill be happy.
I don't need to overthink it.
Turn the dial until I say "Yummmm", that's all I really need to know to be happy with my vape.
Heck, I don't wan to think that much. I just want to stick it in my mouth and take a drag and get something out of it. KISS rules (and not the band!).
Generally most people reccommend that you use standard or higher resistance cartos / tanks with VV to limit the current at a given wattage and extend the useful range of the VV battery before it clamps at it's current limit. It also makes it more fine tunable because a 0.1v increase will make a smaller change to wattage than it would with a LR device.
Using SI's line of tanks and cartos (which are standard resistance devices) would be perfect for this. But you are right that increasing output does decrease the vape time for a charge.
Conversely I as often as not DECREASE the voltage on my Twist thereby extending battery vape time.
Dialing my Twist down to 3.4v takes care of that burnt taste people have been experiencing with the CE3 on the X2 at 3.6v.
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Once again, I concur.
Sheesh, who would have thought that vaping would require so much in the way of math skills? hehe.
I am already delving into a lot of it starting down the DIY juice road. Thankfully, I am pretty good at math and Excel spreadsheets.
Cheers!
Mark
I'm confused.
People that want to set up a libratory to create their own juice and delve into the most intricate aspects of the innards of a carto or tank balk at a simple volume control.
(just poking here..not to be taken seriously)
People that want to set up a libratory to create their own juice and delve into the most intricate aspects of the innards of a carto or tank balk at a simple volume control.
(just poking here..not to be taken seriously)
I'm confused.
People that want to set up a libratory to create their own juice and delve into the most intricate aspects of the innards of a carto or tank balk at a simple volume control.
Hehe, I get your point.
For me, it's more the idea of starting down another road, when I am personally happy with the X2 / clearomizers. My fear, trying this, would be chasing the next low resistance / high resistance / tank / carto / atty etc to find the perfect blend when I am currently happy with the SI equipment I have. That's just me.
As far as the DIY stuff, it seems easy enough to try, and I am using all my existing equipment.
I am saying this from the perspective of knowing my own personality, and how I can find myself thinking "if only I had xxxxx then it would be great. Like I said in another thread, that is how I ended up with 17 aquariums around the house. Which reminds me, time to do the water changes on the 11 tanks downstairs. Bet you can't beat that for Friday night excitement!
Happy Vaping!
Mark
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