Well I'm just speaking in theory...not saying it is safer.
I was hoping Imeo or others would chime in...
I was hoping Imeo or others would chime in...
GG safety tested and proved.
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I think that the incident is not due to battery malfunction, but to an unfortunate, sometimes inevitable shot circuit. this pair is new and it's been a while that I'm using it. They are generic CR2 3V 800Mah (blue ones) that I tested , and seemed perfectly normal, and never posed a problem.
I'm very much used to CR2 batteries and the Grant is my daily device. I follow safety measures very strictly and always check up the batteries with my multimeter and never mix between pairs. I even use the pairs themselves in a strict order, each in its turn.
I always check if the batteries are not leaking, are dry, are clean...I always not only clean up my connections inside and out, but even shine them.
I am even maniac to a point where I never keep batteries out of their protective case, even at home, and even there, I always put in the charged batteries with the positive side direction opposite to the opening of the box and the discharged ones the other way around, so I don't have to wonder which box contains the used batteries and which one contains the fresh charged ones.
When I feel the unit I vape with, heating, I'm trained to instantly, in less than a second, open a cap and pull it away, and put the unit aside with the batteries released from any connection, and leaving everything to cool down. Then I would remove the batteries, and put them away, and use another pair.
I think that with the use of unprotected batteries, no matter the safety measures one can always take, the risk will always exist.
And this is where the last line of defense comes in place: The Mod's safety feature.
And the GG performed its task perfectly!
The big blast and the rocket effect is not something that would ever happen when vaping IMHO. It only happened because a fresh new well functioning battery was put into a fire for almost a minute. Not because of malfunction or quick self-discharge or short-circuit.
So the big blast and the rocket effect, are not to be considered effective risks IMHO, but only show the extent of the GG's endurance and reliability in the most extreme conditions.
But where the GG proved itself, is at the first blast. This first blast was of the battery that malfunctioned and caused it all.This is the blast that would have caused me injuries if I was using another Mod. This blast occurred with the battery that was the closest to me, the one on the atomizer's end, and it happened while the atomizer was in my mouth and I was vaping.
Although this first explosion was quite understandably weaker than the second one, yet it was still impressive, and I realize that now.
Yet I didn't feel any pressure in my mouth, due to the fact that the GG diverted the blast downwards. This action was only successful, because the GG had 3 holes in the bottom cap. Not 1 hole, not 2 holes....3 big enough holes.
And also because the GG's front cap, at the atomizer's end, is strong and sturdy. It didn't move a fraction of millimeter, even with the second blast. Even the adapter and the atomizer I was using, are still normally functional and didn't suffer any damage, although with the 2 explosions, they took a very very strong hit!
And keep in mind how much the Grant is quite tiny, yet was not shaken by these 2 significantly big explosions.
So this is where the GG comes out of the masses of Mods. Another unit would not have had the power to sustain the first blast, and would have caused injuries. The 3 holes at the bottom, and the strong and sturdy construction, were truly the providence here.
By the way, I don't think that eventual holes on the side are safer than holes on the bottom. They can cause serious burns to the hands holding the device and maybe project fumes closer to the eyes, and with a huge pressure and blast, they would not necessarily prevent the rocket effect, but would only make the device turn on itself. It would become a torpedo then
I'm very much used to CR2 batteries and the Grant is my daily device. I follow safety measures very strictly and always check up the batteries with my multimeter and never mix between pairs. I even use the pairs themselves in a strict order, each in its turn.
I always check if the batteries are not leaking, are dry, are clean...I always not only clean up my connections inside and out, but even shine them.
I am even maniac to a point where I never keep batteries out of their protective case, even at home, and even there, I always put in the charged batteries with the positive side direction opposite to the opening of the box and the discharged ones the other way around, so I don't have to wonder which box contains the used batteries and which one contains the fresh charged ones.
When I feel the unit I vape with, heating, I'm trained to instantly, in less than a second, open a cap and pull it away, and put the unit aside with the batteries released from any connection, and leaving everything to cool down. Then I would remove the batteries, and put them away, and use another pair.
I think that with the use of unprotected batteries, no matter the safety measures one can always take, the risk will always exist.
And this is where the last line of defense comes in place: The Mod's safety feature.
And the GG performed its task perfectly!
The big blast and the rocket effect is not something that would ever happen when vaping IMHO. It only happened because a fresh new well functioning battery was put into a fire for almost a minute. Not because of malfunction or quick self-discharge or short-circuit.
So the big blast and the rocket effect, are not to be considered effective risks IMHO, but only show the extent of the GG's endurance and reliability in the most extreme conditions.
But where the GG proved itself, is at the first blast. This first blast was of the battery that malfunctioned and caused it all.This is the blast that would have caused me injuries if I was using another Mod. This blast occurred with the battery that was the closest to me, the one on the atomizer's end, and it happened while the atomizer was in my mouth and I was vaping.
Although this first explosion was quite understandably weaker than the second one, yet it was still impressive, and I realize that now.
Yet I didn't feel any pressure in my mouth, due to the fact that the GG diverted the blast downwards. This action was only successful, because the GG had 3 holes in the bottom cap. Not 1 hole, not 2 holes....3 big enough holes.
And also because the GG's front cap, at the atomizer's end, is strong and sturdy. It didn't move a fraction of millimeter, even with the second blast. Even the adapter and the atomizer I was using, are still normally functional and didn't suffer any damage, although with the 2 explosions, they took a very very strong hit!
And keep in mind how much the Grant is quite tiny, yet was not shaken by these 2 significantly big explosions.
So this is where the GG comes out of the masses of Mods. Another unit would not have had the power to sustain the first blast, and would have caused injuries. The 3 holes at the bottom, and the strong and sturdy construction, were truly the providence here.
By the way, I don't think that eventual holes on the side are safer than holes on the bottom. They can cause serious burns to the hands holding the device and maybe project fumes closer to the eyes, and with a huge pressure and blast, they would not necessarily prevent the rocket effect, but would only make the device turn on itself. It would become a torpedo then
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for me it is clear: I will never use unprotected batties (in series) ever again and I will toss the one's that I have!
Sorry...just did already...were only 4 though...you got balls for using them again
Sorry...just did already...were only 4 though...you got balls for using them again
Aaaahh...too bad then...well ...when i was young (er), i used to play with all sorts of explosive gadgets...got immunized somehow (read crazy...hehe)
I agree on the side holes. If there was enough pressure to create the thrust from the bottom holes to make it fly around then I would think holes in the side would just make it a blow torch in the palm of your hand.
The guy that had the accident with the other mod got messed up pretty bad.
The guy that had the accident with the other mod got messed up pretty bad.
Aaaahh...too bad then...well ...when i was young (er), i used to play with all sorts of explosive gadgets...got immunized somehow (read crazy...hehe)
yeahhh me 2 but as I get older (not wiser) I tend to grasp more to Life and Safety
Yes, besides, a side hole might also make the unit unstable, and it would also make it turn on itself and hit you, either it your face, or in your chest, and burn you seriously much more then.
Not to mention that wherever the holes might be, there is still the initial explosion effect of the battery that needs to be taken into account.
The holes divert only part of the blast, not all of it. The other part will be necessarily taken by the device itself, and more precisely by the atomizer's end cap.
And while other Mods are either made of plastic parts or by weak metal sheets, or have weak atomizer caps that can dislocate easily by themselves, which makes them potential sharpenels and bullets, the GG front cap is one hell of a strong and sturdy construction that can take blasts ten times stronger than this, and even absorb it enough to spare the atomizer any pressure. Which saves you from the blast.
This is where the GG differs from others.
So there are 3 levels of security to consider:
1- The strength of construction material and assembly.
3- The ability of the front cap to absorb shocks and spare the atomizer, thus your teeth.
2- The placement of the holes and their size.
The GG passed all three of them and succeeded and proved its safety in extreme conditions.
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I don't think the problem is exactly with the unprotected battery. Even a set of protected batteries could fail. They are not designed to be used in pairs and having two PCBs can lead to problems also. I wish they would make us a 6v battery that has a single PCB. Or maybe someone needs to start producing a battery pack with protection built in. Look at your cordless phones, they have three cells in shrink wrap called a battery pack. The problem would be charging this pack. We would also need a special unit for that as well... hmmm.... maybe someone should call the battery manufacturer.
That's exactly what I was just thinking of...hehe.
Also, how come we can't find protected CR2s although they are widely used in tandem and even in packs in the photography business?
Also, how come we can't find protected CR2s although they are widely used in tandem and even in packs in the photography business?
The reality is even though you had what happen to you there has not been nearly enough if any actual safety testings done on any PV I know to confirm anything your stating. If some sort of testing is ever done I do agree with your 3 things to consider and theres probably a bunch more as well.
Yes you're right, all we can say about the matter are merely primary conclusions. Only a statistical survey done on a significant crash test number can confirm anything stated on that matter.
One thing the above has convinced me of is NOT to purchase a cheap or medium priced unit for 6v - saving $100 or so is JUST not worth the worry.
Yeap, right on Vaughanie.
So you can still lie down and relax and take few of these awkward pictures you posted earlier.
So you can still lie down and relax and take few of these awkward pictures you posted earlier.
Mist, I am so glad that you were not harmed. If this can happen to someone as safety conscious as you, it can happen to anyone. Thank you for sharing your experience and pictures.
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Lynn
Thank you Lynn.
Yes you're right, this can happen anytime to anyone no matter what. Just like in a car accident, it's not always you the cause, but sometimes just the other driver, or maybe an unpredictable mechanical failure.
You just have to put that seat-belt on, and make sure your wheels and brakes are in a very good condition. If you have airbags,ESP,ASR... it's even better. Actually, the more safety options you have, the more secure you will be.
But in the end, we keep on vaping, just like we keep on driving.
Yes you're right, this can happen anytime to anyone no matter what. Just like in a car accident, it's not always you the cause, but sometimes just the other driver, or maybe an unpredictable mechanical failure.
You just have to put that seat-belt on, and make sure your wheels and brakes are in a very good condition. If you have airbags,ESP,ASR... it's even better. Actually, the more safety options you have, the more secure you will be.
But in the end, we keep on vaping, just like we keep on driving.
If you remember Vaug, I made holes for the second battery explotion on the side of the telescopic tube but no one liked it, so I thought that I have already venting holes on the GG and I deside not to make them.
But there is another fact that we have to concider. If the holes are on side, then you avoid the rocket issue but you have another problem. Imagine that gases go straight thru the tube. If they find holes in front like GG, then gases will go out immediately but if they found a non holed front cap it will be like they find a wall and they will come back. Of course they will go out from side holes but the venting will be not a direct effect. That means that the front cap maybe will go out hitting the other person that is against us.
The best way for me is what I had done at first place. 3 holes in front as they are already and one or 2 helping vent holes that will take a big part of explosion.
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I agree with Imeo because what he is saying, the reason it launched the way it did is because the back caps became overwhelmed with pressure even with three vent holes. by adding vents on the side as well will help decrease the pressure big time.
Maybe its a nice idea, maybe a bad one Rob, I will tell you why:
If the positive pole is weaker than the negative one, then the gases will go out imediately fr4om the front venting holes that GG has and the result will be a big hit in mouth.
If we leave the batteries as they are , then the explosion will hit the positive pole of the battery and the positive pole will hit the atomizer cap. The rest of the battery that is much bigger than its cap will hit the front GG cap so the GG will not come to mouth but it will go to the oposite direction. In less than 1 sec the GG will start going against mouth again because of the gases but maybe you will have the time to throw it away from your mouth and your hands, so its better to leave the batteries as they are. We just have to put again those holes that I made on the telescope, so the explotion will be much less for the face.
The nice thing is that with those holes on telescope we have the ability to be protected from the second battery's explotion and leave gases go easily from those holes without leting them try to move to the front holes because those holes would be closed from the first battery's traces.
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