GG safety tested and proved.

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I think that the incident is not due to battery malfunction, but to an unfortunate, sometimes inevitable shot circuit. this pair is new and it's been a while that I'm using it. They are generic CR2 3V 800Mah (blue ones) that I tested , and seemed perfectly normal, and never posed a problem.

I'm very much used to CR2 batteries and the Grant is my daily device. I follow safety measures very strictly and always check up the batteries with my multimeter and never mix between pairs. I even use the pairs themselves in a strict order, each in its turn.

I always check if the batteries are not leaking, are dry, are clean...I always not only clean up my connections inside and out, but even shine them.

I am even maniac to a point where I never keep batteries out of their protective case, even at home, and even there, I always put in the charged batteries with the positive side direction opposite to the opening of the box and the discharged ones the other way around, so I don't have to wonder which box contains the used batteries and which one contains the fresh charged ones.

When I feel the unit I vape with, heating, I'm trained to instantly, in less than a second, open a cap and pull it away, and put the unit aside with the batteries released from any connection, and leaving everything to cool down. Then I would remove the batteries, and put them away, and use another pair.

I think that with the use of unprotected batteries, no matter the safety measures one can always take, the risk will always exist.

And this is where the last line of defense comes in place: The Mod's safety feature.

And the GG performed its task perfectly!

The big blast and the rocket effect is not something that would ever happen when vaping IMHO. It only happened because a fresh new well functioning battery was put into a fire for almost a minute. Not because of malfunction or quick self-discharge or short-circuit.

So the big blast and the rocket effect, are not to be considered effective risks IMHO, but only show the extent of the GG's endurance and reliability in the most extreme conditions.

But where the GG proved itself, is at the first blast. This first blast was of the battery that malfunctioned and caused it all.This is the blast that would have caused me injuries if I was using another Mod. This blast occurred with the battery that was the closest to me, the one on the atomizer's end, and it happened while the atomizer was in my mouth and I was vaping.

Although this first explosion was quite understandably weaker than the second one, yet it was still impressive, and I realize that now.

Yet I didn't feel any pressure in my mouth, due to the fact that the GG diverted the blast downwards. This action was only successful, because the GG had 3 holes in the bottom cap. Not 1 hole, not 2 holes....3 big enough holes.

And also because the GG's front cap, at the atomizer's end, is strong and sturdy. It didn't move a fraction of millimeter, even with the second blast. Even the adapter and the atomizer I was using, are still normally functional and didn't suffer any damage, although with the 2 explosions, they took a very very strong hit!

And keep in mind how much the Grant is quite tiny, yet was not shaken by these 2 significantly big explosions.

So this is where the GG comes out of the masses of Mods. Another unit would not have had the power to sustain the first blast, and would have caused injuries. The 3 holes at the bottom, and the strong and sturdy construction, were truly the providence here.

By the way, I don't think that eventual holes on the side are safer than holes on the bottom. They can cause serious burns to the hands holding the device and maybe project fumes closer to the eyes, and with a huge pressure and blast, they would not necessarily prevent the rocket effect, but would only make the device turn on itself. It would become a torpedo then :D

a torpedo!!!!!!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::lol::lol::lol:
 

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I don't think the problem is exactly with the unprotected battery. Even a set of protected batteries could fail. They are not designed to be used in pairs and having two PCBs can lead to problems also. I wish they would make us a 6v battery that has a single PCB. Or maybe someone needs to start producing a battery pack with protection built in. Look at your cordless phones, they have three cells in shrink wrap called a battery pack. The problem would be charging this pack. We would also need a special unit for that as well... hmmm.... maybe someone should call the battery manufacturer.

Yes Vapn, the problem is charging them. From what I know all these years is that its immposible to charge 2 lithium batteries in series
 

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But because the GG can be smaller with 1xcr2 battery, that means that the holes on the side of telescope will be near to face in this small mode. So the best way is to make 2 more holes but on the side of the front cap. That way the explotion will be muuuuch less to the face because the gases will go in front but up and down too.
 

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How about just larger holes in the bottom so there isn't as much thrust potential?

Very good point friend, if I had the ability to make them bigger then I would have done it but if you see the GG there is no room for bigger holes thats the reason I made many of them (3). I could make more and maybe I will. The nice thing is that the gold cap will be ligher and the face of the GG will not be ruined, maybe it will be better:):)

But as Mist said, GG is built like a tank as it was my main purpose when I first started to make it. Now we have to make it safe like a tank even if it has already prooved that its more than safe
 
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Imeo:

More and more I start to see and understand and most of all trust!! that you are a true genius when it comes to vaping, it's devices and everything related to it. I am 110% sure (that I Do know) that the GG line is the best one can get. The unfortunate event mentioned here is very bad indeed, but the GG handled it like no other mod could have handled it. I know that much that besides the thrill, the enjoyment, the beauty and all it's options, you invented more then that: safety!!.
 

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Imeo:

More and more I start to see and understand and most of all trust!! that you are a true genius when it comes to vaping, it's devices and everything related to it. I am 110% sure (that I Do know) that the GG line is the best one can get. The unfortunate event mentioned here is very bad indeed, but the GG handled it like no other mod could have handled it. I know that much that besides the thrill, the enjoyment, the beauty and all it's options, you invented more then that: safety!!.

The best words I have ever listened Emonty. I promise to keep the GG on top of the cigs and your trust is the best gift for me. I am not a God but I have serious knowledge to keep GG the safest, the most beautiful and the most advanced cig in the market.

Thanks a lot friend:)
 

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Not sure these 3.0 volt batteries will fit the model you are using that blew up, but they will work in the GGTS for 6 volt vaping, not single 3.7 v. But these are about the saftest you can buy, or as others have said, waiting on the 5/6 volt AC wall adapter battery bypass, no batteries, but cord attached, good while at home.

I found and bought these below:

Combo Kit: 6 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh LiFePO4 Rechargeable Batteries with a Smart Charger

New Chemical LiFePO4 Li-Ion battery
Rechargeable LiFePO4 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAhBattery
Life cycle: 2000 times (Traditional Li-ion: 500 times)

Never explodes or will catch on fire

100% Compatible with Disposable CR123A Batteries
Working Voltage:3.2V and Peak Voltage: 3.6V
Charging cut-off voltage: 3.6V
Discharge cut-off voltage: 2.2V o Please never overdischarge battery below 2.2V/cell o Charge this battery with LiFePO4 RCR123A smart charger.

Capacity: 750 mAh
Maximum discharging rate:< 550 mA
Maximum charge current: <550 mA
Cell's dimension: 17mm Dia. x 34.5mm H.
Weight: 0.6 oz (18 grams).
NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SUREFIRE FLASHLIGHT. DON'T USE THESE BATTERIES WITH ANY SURE FIRE FLASHLIGHTS.
 

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Not sure these 3.0 volt batteries will fit the model you are using that blew up, but they will work in the GGTS for 6 volt vaping, not single 3.7 v. But these are about the saftest you can buy, or as others have said, waiting on the 5/6 volt AC wall adapter battery bypass, no batteries, but cord attached, good while at home.

I found and bought these below:

Combo Kit: 6 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh LiFePO4 Rechargeable Batteries with a Smart Charger

New Chemical LiFePO4 Li-Ion battery
Rechargeable LiFePO4 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAhBattery
Life cycle: 2000 times (Traditional Li-ion: 500 times)

Never explodes or will catch on fire

100% Compatible with Disposable CR123A Batteries
Working Voltage:3.2V and Peak Voltage: 3.6V
Charging cut-off voltage: 3.6V
Discharge cut-off voltage: 2.2V o Please never overdischarge battery below 2.2V/cell o Charge this battery with LiFePO4 RCR123A smart charger.

Capacity: 750 mAh
Maximum discharging rate:< 550 mA
Maximum charge current: <550 mA
Cell's dimension: 17mm Dia. x 34.5mm H.
Weight: 0.6 oz (18 grams).
NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SUREFIRE FLASHLIGHT. DON'T USE THESE BATTERIES WITH ANY SURE FIRE FLASHLIGHTS.

They dont fit my good friend Macta but thanks for searching. They are cr123A batteries and GGGrant takes only cr2 batteries that are smaller in width than those you found:)
 

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Look, it's a e-cig, not rocket science ! :p

It IS, now.... :)

To Imeo, I figured the bats I suggested won't work in the "Grant" model, but I wanted others to know, if like me they are using or waiting for the GGTS, those bats WILL fit the new model, and supposedly will not catch fire or explode. I don't think they make CR2 size in LiFePO4 chemical composition, at least I could NOT find any. Someone might make at least a "protected" version in Li-Ion composition, but I have NO plans right now on going to CR2 unless I can find such, only reason to go that route as far as I can figure, is tiny size, and the GGTS might then be in it's "smallest" length configuration, which is not a big deal to me if the trade-off is having to use "unprotected" CR2 bats, if true. Mom used to say, "BETTER SAFE, THEN SORRY"!
 

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It IS, now.... :)

To Imeo, I figured the bats I suggested won't work in the "Grant" model, but I wanted others to know, if like me they are using or waiting for the GGTS, those bats WILL fit the new model, and supposedly will not catch fire or explode. I don't think they make CR2 size in LiFePO4 chemical composition, at least I could NOT find any. Someone might make at least a "protected" version in Li-Ion composition, but I have NO plans right now on going to CR2 unless I can find such, only reason to go that route as far as I can figure, is tiny size, and the GGTS might then be in it's "smallest" length configuration, which is not a big deal to me if the trade-off is having to use "unprotected" CR2 bats, if true. Mom used to say, "BETTER SAFE, THEN SORRY"!

yes they will fit perfect on GGTS and yes mama is right as all mamas in the world!!

I never liked those batteries, I have said it many times before. Weak and unprotected ones. Its a serious reason that I will not make GGGGrant anymore
 

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the grant is a good device for those who like 14500 batteries. maybe you can slim it down in width to where it only fits the 14500 batteries and not the CR2 unprotected batteries... and keep the button the same... Just an idea.... i know the 14500 batteries are a little slimmer than the cr2 so if you make the tube a lose snug then there will be no worries for someone to use the cr2's
 
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the grant is a good device for those who like 14500 batteries. maybe you can slim it down in width to where it only fits the 14500 batteries and not the CR2 unprotected batteries... and keep the button the same... Just an idea.... i know the 14500 batteries are a little slimmer than the cr2 so if you make the tube a lose snug then there will be no worries for someone to use the cr2's

Good point, here are some figures I collected during my research:

As for size:
The number tells the size of the battery
The first two dictate the diameter
The second two are the length

16340 = 16mm diameter x 34mm long
14500 = 14mm diameter x 50mm long
Since CR2s don't seem to use the same system I measured mine at:
CR2 = 15.2mm diameter x 27.6mm long

Keep in mind these approximate measurements in the numbering system and, like most things from China tend to vary a lot.

AND:

RCR123A and 16340 are both size specifications. They are not voltage specifications.
23A means 2/3rds the size of an A battery. 16340 means 16mm diameter x 34mm long and 0 means round. Do not assume that if it says RCR123A it is a 3.0V battery, same for 16340, it could be 3.0 or 3.6 instead of 3.7. Read the voltage specification before you buy anything.
 

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I don't think we need this model when the TS can use the 14500 battery already. That is the reason for making the ultimate e-cig in the first place so it can use any battery and any atomizer.

I AGREE, well put. Less models, the more time Imeo can devote to features or improvements. My homework led me to wanting the GGTS as my first and last device for vaping. There may be marketing reasons to offer slimmer, smaller, less expensive, etc. models, but all of the Mod makers do have to consider safety, as this is a very NEW market, and none of these current devices have any regulatory safety guides they have to adhere to in any market so far.

Mark my words, in the next few years this will change, at least in the U.S. We have all read about the lame attempts of the US "FDA", in trying to get their TOBACCO STAINED hands into the cookie jar. If they can't control the "nicotine", they will go for safety standards as the next front to dispute.
 

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:)but its the form factor that is in consideration not how versatile the devise is. Some prefer simple one size battery mod. Some may not need a multi battery unit. The GG Grant sells pretty quick so that shows that this device is still in demand. :thumbs:

The point being, is there are already many Mods that use a single battery, but the Modders themselves are learning they MAY have to consider making units that only support "safe" batteries, rather then open themselves up to potential law suits. This is a really new area of both hardware and aftermarket accessories. I like many others here are "end users", and just look at the current market for what we think we may like in product terms. If you are on the marketing end, meaning you design, develop and market a product, you have many other things to consider. There may in fact come a time where you find these kinds of Mods that you bought are NO longer marketed, and will feel lucky that you still own them. Safety has to, in the end be the main consideration. Now that is a huge conversation, since those of us living in the U.S. have many organizations that PRETEND to look our for our safety, like the bogus FDA, but unfortunately, since they are "in bed" with the money making lobbies like the Tobacco industry, we suffer from others making decisions on what is really "safe" as opposed to what is really safe. As of this writing, we are still able to choose from various "mod" makers, so the responsibility of buying safe to use products is on US, for now.
 

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The point being, is there are already many Mods that use a single battery, but the Modders themselves are learning they MAY have to consider making units that only support "safe" batteries, rather then open themselves up to potential law suits. This is a really new area of both hardware and aftermarket accessories. I like many others here are "end users", and just look at the current market for what we think we may like in product terms. If you are on the marketing end, meaning you design, develop and market a product, you have many other things to consider. There may in fact come a time where you find these kinds of Mods that you bought are NO longer marketed, and will feel lucky that you still own them. Safety has to, in the end be the main consideration. Now that is a huge conversation, since those of us living in the U.S. have many organizations that PRETEND to look our for our safety, like the bogus FDA, but unfortunately, since they are "in bed" with the money making lobbies like the Tobacco industry, we suffer from others making decisions on what is really "safe" as opposed to what is really safe. As of this writing, we are still able to choose from various "mod" makers, so the responsibility of buying safe to use products is on US, for now.

I also have protected 3.6V Cr2s that I used on my Grant, and that are for the time being, waiting for High voltage Imeoatomizers . So the Grant is virtually as safe as any other Mod.
 
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