Godshall goes to the White House and Congress urging them to not let FDA give the e-cig industry to Big Tobacco

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Bill Godshall

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Yesterday, I drove to DC and met with key staff at the White House
Office of Management and Budget (OMB), US House Energy & Commerce
Committee, and Subcommittee Chairs Joe Pitts and Tim Murphy urging
all of them to stop/prevent the FDA from giving the entire e-cig
industry to Big Tobacco.

The White House OMB is currently reviewing the potentially
forthcoming FDA regs, while the House E&C Committee and
Subcommittees have Congressional oversight over FDA, CDC
and the rest of DHHS.

I showed all of them 4 different cigalikes, 4 different mods/APVs
and a 10ml bottle of e-liquid, and pointed out that the APVs and
e-liquid are far superior to cigalikes for smoking cessation
and for reducing cigarette consumption, and that FDA regs would
ban all or virtually all e-liquid products (and perhaps APVs as well).

The three folks I met with at OMB didn't appear interested in
meeting me, and looked like they couldn't wait until the meeting
was over. It was the strangest meeting I've ever had.

After nearly a half hour, one of them told me I had several
minutes remaining. Two minutes later he abruptly ended
the meeting, then all three got up and left the room. At least
they shook my hand when I offered it and thanked them (as
they began walking down the hall).

In sharp contrast, the Congressional staff all appeared very
interested in what I had to say. I urged them to hold a public
hearing and invite e-cig consumers, me and other objective and
knowledgeable folks to testify about e-cigs and the impact of FDA
regulations, to renew their investigation of illegal CDC funding
for state/local lobbying by e-cig opponents, and to introduce
legislation I drafted two years ago that would require FDA to
conduct and publish a comprehensive disease risk assessment and
comparison of different types of tobacco products (including
vapor products) before the agency could impose the deeming regulation.

A potential silver lining of today's announcement by Philip Morris
International (in support of the FDA deeming and other e-cig regs)
is that it verifies what I said yesterday, and what I've been
saying about FDA e-cig regs for the past several years.
 
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Bill Godshall

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New Federal Regulations (including FDA e-cig regs) cannot be officially proposed without OMB's blessing.

The FDA deeming and other e-cig regsa are now at the 4th step of the 9 step regulatory rulemaking process (see map below)

The Reg Map: Informal Rulemaking
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/reginfo/Regmap/regmap.pdf

At least a half dozen opponents of FDA e-cig regs have or will be meeting with OMB to express their concerns.

Since OMB has scheduled two of these meetings the first week of January, FDA won't be proposing the regs this month (missing yet another announced date for proposing the regs).
 

Bill Godshall

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Spazmelda inquired

Is OMBs part over for a while once the FDA deeming regulation stuff is out of their hands? I don't know how that works.

OMB will also have to review and approve any Final Rule before it can be issued by FDA (which won't happen for at least a year after FDA proposes the regulations)

But we need to stop this train before it gets that far.
 

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Yesterday, I drove to DC and met with key staff at the White House
Office of Management and Budget (OMB), US House Energy & Commerce
Committee, and Subcommittee Chairs Joe Pitts and Tim Murphy urging
all of them to stop/prevent the FDA from giving the entire e-cig
industry to Big Tobacco.

The White House OMB is currently reviewing the potentially
forthcoming FDA regs, while the House E&C Committee and
Subcommittees have Congressional oversight over FDA, CDC
and the rest of DHHS.

I showed all of them 4 different cigalikes, 4 different mods/APVs
and a 10ml bottle of e-liquid, and pointed out that the

After nearly a half hour, one of them told me I had several
minutes remaining. Two minutes later he abruptly ended
the meeting, then all three got up and left the room. At least
they shook my hand when I offered it and thanked them (as
they began walking down the hall).

In sharp contrast, the Congressional staff all appeared very
interested in what I had to say. I urged them to hold a public
hearing and invite e-cig consumers, me and other objective and
knowledgeable folks to testify about e-cigs and the impact of FDA
regulations, to renew their investigation of illegal CDC funding
for state/local lobbying by e-cig opponents, and to introduce
legislation I drafted two years ago that would require FDA to
conduct and publish a comprehensive disease risk assessment and
comparison of different types of tobacco products (including
vapor products) before the agency could impose the deeming regulation.

A potential silver lining of today's announcement by Philip Morris
International (in support of the FDA deeming and other e-cig regs)
is that it verifies what I said yesterday, and what I've been
saying about FDA e-cig regs for the past several years.

Thanks for the insight into the insiders that the proletariat doesn't see.

It's obvious that the left-wing statists and central planners in the Politburo have already made up their minds.
 

Eric A. Blair

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We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that's all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?


There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
 

Vocalek

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We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that's all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

For those who like a little music with their poetry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja0_m-4NAec

Brings back memories. In the late 70s when I was teaching Senior HS English, the curriculum specified a Rock Poetry unit for the last 6 weeks of the year (when the short-timers did not have their brains engaged very deeply). One of the kids selected the Rock Opera, Tommy as his project. That was my introduction to The Who.
 

Barbara21

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The reason I asked if OMB was out of it for a while after they approve (or don't approve) the deeming regs, is that I was wondering if they were not interested because they'd already made up their minds.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

On the other hand, congressional staff might be more interested because they know vapers vote. And we tend to be very passionate on the subject.

And a huge Thank You to Bill.
 
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