Gorilla Juice DIY clone : Feedback needed.

[Levitas]

Another piece to the puzzle has fell into my lap today

I am subscribed to alien Visions via Facebook when they posted this little hilarious piece:

So, if they use 50% flavoring as a standard, then that might explain why their juices don't really have that VG-esque taste that I get when mixing my blends, with all vg, at a 15% or less flavoring.

Something to possibly consider. Carry on

 

[Dudeonline]

100% flavoring. I wonder how that would taste LMAO

Anyway, I just received my "Gorilla Spit" From MtBakerVapor. It's no Gorilla juice, but it's still damn good.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

On the MtBakerVapor website, they allow you to "create" your own ejuice flavor, to your specification in an online form, and once that form is filled, you can add it directly to your cart.

The pic that I linked to is just a clip from my reciept they sent me.

thanks I think I get it now

with your custom blend you were taking a shot at a GJ clone?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Another piece to the puzzle has fell into my lap today

I am subscribed to Alien Visions via Facebook when they posted this little hilarious piece:

So, if they use 50% flavoring as a standard, then that might explain why their juices don't really have that VG-esque taste that I get when mixing my blends, with all vg, at a 15% or less flavoring.

Something to possibly consider. Carry on

I told you! Sledgehammer approach = AVE lol

 

[Shilo]

Never heard of 50% percent flavoring---that just cannot be right 30 percent is considered way high unless the flavorings are weak as hell. Not sure that I believe that. I tend to believe, since I have tried this juice before, that the flavoring is high but not exorbant. Plus if that was the true figure does anyone really think they would be be broadcasting it? Double flavor equals 100 percent flavoring--where is the nic juice and VG? LOL I think he's making a funny.
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Edit to add: If the flavoring is 50% than you are not vaping a 100% VG juice but closer to a 50/50 juice which is not what is claimed. Almost all flavorings are in PG and/or alcohol.

 

[Levitas]

Ah, perhaps it's not exactly 50%, but, it is very much possible, though improbable.

It would explain why the juice has a lower viscosity than that of pure 100% VG, and it is indeed a potent flavor.

Though, it could have been posted as a funny, but, I am willing to believe that the amount of flavoring used is pretty high, for the previous said reasons. It's hard to make sense of it otherwise.

Edit: Also, if they were to post an approximate %, I don't think they would be too worried about people figuring out the recipe. No one has published a recipe even close after 3 years. I doubt it's a worry in their mind.

 

[glassmanoak]

Ah, perhaps it's not exactly 50%, but, it is very much possible, though improbable.

It would explain why the juice has a lower viscosity than that of pure 100% VG, and it is indeed a potent flavor.

Though, it could have been posted as a funny, but, I am willing to believe that the amount of flavoring used is pretty high, for the previous said reasons. It's hard to make sense of it otherwise.

Edit: Also, if they were to post an approximate %, I don't think they would be too worried about people figuring out the recipe. No one has published a recipe even close after 3 years. I doubt it's a worry in their mind.

Levi, don't you think that they are toying with the likes of us? The reason the juice has a lower viscosity than VG is because it is not 100% VG, as they claim. It is less viscous than the 70% VG juice I mix on a daily basis. It is thinned with alcohol and distilled water. It may not have PG, but it surely isn't 100% VG.
I seriously doubt that it is more than 30% of any ordinary flavoring.,,. probably less. I wouldn't look to any clues from AVE to try to discover a clone of BB or GJ.

 

[Levitas]

Levi, don't you think that they are toying with the likes of us? The reason the juice has a lower viscosity than VG is because it is not 100% VG, as they claim. It is less viscous than the 70% VG juice I mix on a daily basis. It is thinned with alcohol and distilled water. It may not have PG, but it surely isn't 100% VG.
I seriously doubt that it is more than 30% of any ordinary flavoring.,,. probably less. I wouldn't look to any clues from AVE to try to discover a clone of BB or GJ.

Toying? I do not believe that the post was made in hopes of dangling the carrot in front of hungry horses, so to speak. I do not believe that in their mind, while posting that comment, they were thinking, "You know what would be funny? If I made a post that indicated that we use more flavoring than we actually do. That will keep those DIYers guessing, muah ha ha!"

I cannot help but to ask, what evidence do you have that makes you so sure that you know that the juice has no more than 30% flavoring? Perhaps through personal experience, you have come to the conclusion that they are lying (toying) and not really using 100% VG, rather, they are using partial VG and cutting it with water/alcohol. If this is the case, then all data given from Ave could potentially be false, and one shouldn't take their word on anything pertaining to their juice, or products in general (if they'd lie for one reason, they'd lie for another, right?)

Now, in light of the spirit of this thread, I am merely observing posts and through personal experience, trying to come up with some logical assumption as to how to get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. If anyone has a better idea, or a more logical way to go about it, I am all ears.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me that people oppose these observations I've listed. In fact, I am more intrigued than anything. I want to know then, your guys' personal input. If it's not what they say it is, rather than just telling me it's not it, help out and post what you think it could be. Let's work together.

 

[glassmanoak]

Toying? I do not believe that the post was made in hopes of dangling the carrot in front of hungry horses, so to speak. I do not believe that in their mind, while posting that comment, they were thinking, "You know what would be funny? If I made a post that indicated that we use more flavoring than we actually do. That will keep those DIYers guessing, muah ha ha!"
AVE has been toying with customers and other vapers for YEARS!! I don't think they do it consciously anymore. It is inate to everything they put out.
I cannot help but to ask, what evidence do you have that makes you so sure that you know that the juice has no more than 30% flavoring? I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the VG is no more than 70%. It is too thin to be more than 70% of any VG I have come across (except the"Something Fabulous Glycerine". I'm saying that more than 30% of their juice is something other that PG, if they are to be believed. If they are to be believed, it ISN'T PG.. But it is something.. flavoring, water, alcohol..?? some type of fluid. What it is I don't know. Perhaps through personal experience, you have come to the conclusion that they are lying (toying) and not really using 100% VG, rather, they are using partial VG and cutting it with water/alcohol. This is precisely what I'm sayingIf this is the case, then all data given from Ave could potentially be false, and one shouldn't take their word on anything pertaining to their juice, or products in general (if they'd lie for one reason, they'd lie for another, right?) Exactly, but you can't have any juice that is 100% VG except VG. They are mis-stating their case.

Now, in light of the spirit of this thread, I am merely observing posts and through personal experience, trying to come up with some logical assumption as to how to get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. If anyone has a better idea, or a more logical way to go about it, I am all ears.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me that people oppose these observations I've listed. In fact, I am more intrigued than anything. I want to know then, your guys' personal input. If it's not what they say it is, rather than just telling me it's not it, help out and post what you think it could be. Let's work together. I agree

I'm not trying to be contentious but I contend that at least 70% of their juice is something other than VG. Maybe it IS 50% flavoring!! I surely don't know. I think, given their claim of 100% VG, that the fluid involved in over 30% of their juice is NOT PG.
Given my experience with DIY of various PG/VG mixtures, I don't think it is more than 10%water or alcohol .
I can see BB and Gj sitting right in front of me. The BB is slightly more viscous than the GJ. I'm guessing that they are about 65% VG. No thicker than that. Which means about 35% of.... whatever. So, unless their flavoring contains VG, the flavoring level is NOT 50%. I think they are pulling our legs.
I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but I do believe my own 5 senses, and I KNOW that BB and GJ are NOT 100%VG, that they are 35% or less of some other fluid.
I'm willing to keep after getting this taste correct, but I'm not going to rely too much on what Ben and the rest of AVE has put out there. If you had one of the most popular juices out there, would you give out REAL hints? I sure wouldn't. I'll just trust my own senses in coming up with the right taste.

"Who are you gonna believe? Me or your own lying eyes?"
I believe my own lying eyes.. and taste.. and smell

 

[PhreakySTS9]

I really know nothing of this, and as i've said before due to my VG sensitivity can't even try their juices, but maybe their flavoring is alcohol based? That way there's no PG so their 100%VG claim is still true, even if they do have a ridiculously high flavor %. Since when did you see a site that listed their juice as 40%PG/40%VG/12%alcohol/8%h2o? Never probably, even if they use alcohol or water in their juices. Not trying to pick a fight, just something I thought of.

 

[graffinfected]

On the MtBakerVapor website, they allow you to "create" your own ejuice flavor, to your specification in an online form, and once that form is filled, you can add it directly to your cart.

The pic that I linked to is just a clip from my reciept they sent me.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... ok

 

[Levitas]

I'm not trying to be contentious but I contend that at least 70% of their juice is something other than VG. Maybe it IS 50% flavoring!! I surely don't know. I think, given their claim of 100% VG, that the fluid involved in over 30% of their juice is NOT PG.

This is what I originally posted! My thoughts were, if it was at minimum 50% flavoring, that it would explain why its viscosity is so thin. We're not disagreeing on this.

Given my experience with DIY of various PG/VG mixtures, I don't think it is more than 10%water or alcohol .
I can see BB and Gj sitting right in front of me. The BB is slightly more viscous than the GJ. I'm guessing that they are about 65% VG. No thicker than that. Which means about 35% of.... whatever. So, unless their flavoring contains VG, the flavoring level is NOT 50%. I think they are pulling our legs.

In the previously quoted box you contend that at least 70% of these blends are something other than VG? But in this quote, you say they're approximately 65%? (Mis-type?)

See, you're assuming that the blend could not have 50% flavoring unless it was VG based, but you're basing this off of looking at the bottle. I'm sorry, but I've been vaping this stuff for well over a year, and even I wouldn't go as far as to claim to have that ability.

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but I do believe my own 5 senses, and I KNOW that BB and GJ are NOT 100%VG, that they are 35% or less of some other fluid.
I'm willing to keep after getting this taste correct, but I'm not going to rely too much on what Ben and the rest of AVE has put out there. If you had one of the most popular juices out there, would you give out REAL hints? I sure wouldn't. I'll just trust my own senses in coming up with the right taste.

If I owned one of the most popular juices out there, I may not give crucial hints as to what the recipe contained. However, I would never lie to my customers about the content there within. I have never really known those guys to be the shady type, and I do not like the idea of questioning their character, but, we're all human here, and we all have faults. So, anything is possible.

So, one thing we agree on is that the viscosity of these juices prove that it cannot be all VG, at the very least, not all straight VG. So, if it is trusted that these juices are completely PG-free, then it boils down to a possible combination of VG+ Alc/H20/VG based flavorings + water/alcohol alone. Unless there is some possibility I am missing?

It seems completely possible that the % of flavorings could still add up to around 50%, given a mixture of alcohol and VG based ingredients with adding straight VG and distilled water, and still retain the viscosity. Let's be honest here, it's not the thickest VG juice on the market, but it's certainly not thin either. I, as well as many others, have difficulty wicking Boba's in certain cartos, where as a 50/50pg would wick just fine in the same.


I need to take a look at that list of complete PG-free ingredients, and compose it onto a Text document for comparison.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

Their own flavoring could be much weaker than a standard TFA/LA,etc. Perhaps 5mL of their flavoring is equal to like 1-2mL of a standard PG type flavoring and they really do use 50%. Am I explaining that well at all? Like, say they have 50% of the juice being 12mg VG, and the other 50% is straight flavoring, but perhaps their flavoring they use is a lot weaker so that it would be more like 20-25% compared to other companies. That way they wouldn't be lying when they say they use 50%. Did I word that post well at all?

BTW, has anybody come up with anything remotely resembling Boba's yet? I really want to try some GD Boba's but can't! Grrr. Imagine wanting to try a juice for years more than any other juice on the planet, but because of health reasons you can't! Fricking frustrating! I'm hoping this Grumpies Hooch I ordered tastes as similar to Boba's as people claim it does.

 

[Levitas]

I get what you're saying, Phreaky. And to be honest, I have no clue. I suppose that could make sense, since it seems that VG mutes flavor more so than PG. If the VG based ingredients were relatively weak (due to previously stated reason) it would be logical that more might be needed, and therefore, a 50% flavoring ratio would be justified.

Personally, I have never tried DIYing with VG based, or even PG-free based flavorings. I am really considering putting an order in soon to try some. Though, being cheap and all, I'm waiting for Black Friday

 

[PhreakySTS9]

I'm considering making an order with highdesertvapes for some of their organic alcohol based flavorings. They look similar to a lot of the organic juices bruce makes at CoV with butterscotch, kona cream, creamy caramel, creamy vanilla, pancakes, etc. I have no idea where Bruce gets his flavoring and it's most likely not these guys(even though that's A LOT of coincidences) but from what it seems like that site has VERY similar flavorings to what he uses, down the the organic, alcohol based part and all. CoV Butterscotch is by far one of the best juices i've ever vaped and if I could find an identical (or especially the exact flavoring) DIY base that would just make life a lot better!

 

[H0mebrew]

BTW, has anybody come up with anything remotely resembling Boba's yet? I really want to try some GD Boba's but can't! Grrr. Imagine wanting to try a juice for years more than any other juice on the planet, but because of health reasons you can't! Fricking frustrating! I'm hoping this Grumpies Hooch I ordered tastes as similar to Boba's as people claim it does.

I have been working on Boba's and have gotten very close to the real thing. I Think the Tobacco Flavor is Seedman's Commercial Tobacco somewhere between .5% and 3 % just a tiny bit maybe a butterfly fart amount.

8% MTS Vape Wizard(FA) or Smooth(TPA)
7% Cinnamon Danish(TPA)
1% Coconut Extra(TPA)
.5% to 3% Commercial Tobacco(Seedmans)

In some earlier posts people were trying to add additional flavors to match the color.
MTS vape wizard is dark brown in color and the finished juice will look exactly like the original.
Smooth is clear so the finished juice will be a very light brown.

Once the Tobacco flavor and percentage is figured out all that is left is figuring out the Banana.

Enjoy.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

Very interesting, thank you for posting your findings! What do you mean by banana? Are you saying there's banana in Boba's or do you mean adding banana to the Boba's clone to morph it into Gorilla Juice?

BTW, speaking of Cinnamon Danish, I just made myself a 10mL no-nic batch of it and wow is it delicious. The only one i've made so far that I feel there is absolutely zero need to steep. It is excellent as is!

 

[H0mebrew]

Very interesting, thank you for posting your findings! What do you mean by banana? Are you saying there's banana in Boba's or do you mean adding banana to the Boba's clone to morph it into Gorilla Juice?

Gorilla is Boba's with banana.

 

[graffinfected]

Gorilla is Boba's with banana.

i was thinking about this the other day because i was reading about how BB tasted in other forums... and i was also reading about how GJ tasted.. i was like " GJ sounds the same as this BB stuff..... put aside the fruit"... hmmm hey homebrew...

do you feel that your recipe up there^^ is a very very close match to BB?

all that vape wizard seems off to me.. being as its the only "flavor" in a higher percentage..

 

[Roland007]

Out of curiosity, have your tried the Seedman's Virginia Flue Cured in it? I am waiting on some supplies to come in before I try something very close to your recipe.

I ask only because I have both the Commercial and the Flue Cured and to me, anyways, the flue cured has the "raison bran" sorta taste but Commercial does not. I am wondering if you have tried both and could comment on any differences?

Thanks!

I have been working on Boba's and have gotten very close to the real thing. I Think the Tobacco Flavor is Seedman's Commercial Tobacco somewhere between .5% and 3 % just a tiny bit maybe a butterfly fart amount.

8% MTS Vape Wizard(FA) or Smooth(TPA)
7% Cinnamon Danish(TPA)
1% Coconut Extra(TPA)
.5% to 3% Commercial Tobacco(Seedmans)

In some earlier posts people were trying to add additional flavors to match the color.
MTS vape wizard is dark brown in color and the finished juice will look exactly like the original.
Smooth is clear so the finished juice will be a very light brown.

Once the Tobacco flavor and percentage is figured out all that is left is figuring out the Banana.

Enjoy.