Gorilla Juice DIY clone : Feedback needed.

[Levitas]

I wouldnt say "drastically" maybe more "noticeably" or "significantly".. IMHO.. lol

Consider me skeptical

If the flavor wasn't altered in large proportions, it just seems illogical to me to think that Ben wouldn't offer 0mg tobacco flavors. Then again, there is really only one way to know for myself. Next time I open the hutch, I will mix two equal bottles, one with, and one without nicotine.

I love me some learning.

 

[digunderground]

Consider me skeptical

If the flavor wasn't altered in large proportions, it just seems illogical to me to think that Ben wouldn't offer 0mg tobacco flavors. Then again, there is really only one way to know for myself. Next time I open the hutch, I will mix two equal bottles, one with, and one without nicotine.

I love me some learning.

LOL.. I cant blame you.. let them steep or force steep thats when I noticed the difference. I edited my previous post with some additional details. Again this is IMO.. which I guess is kind of like saying "No offense but..." its like a cover all for I cant be held responsible for your perception.. hahaha I only did this because my girlfriend sometimes vapes (when we go out for beers etc) and when she does she likes 0 nic. I wanted to see if she was going to taste something similar... and she would, but IMO, not exact. I could even compensate for throat hit by using "flash throat hit enhancer".. but the flavors were different. Just like 60/40 pg/vg flavors taste different to me than in 100%vg. just my 2C.. Ben also doesnt offer 50/50% and I have a feeling its for similar reasons..

Let me be clear.. this is not me speculating what makes OGJ what it is.. this is just me stating what I have found, and my opinion that EVERYTHING makes an impact on some aspect of the vape.

 

[Levitas]

Let me be clear.. this is not me speculating what makes OGJ what it is.. this is just me stating what I have found, and my opinion that EVERYTHING makes an impact on some aspect of the vape.

I can roll with this logic.

I hold no one responsible for what happens in my mixing lab Only myself.

Since you use blueberry as an example, and I already have a bigger batch of blueberry I just made tonight (loving this stuff), I'll try some of that tomorrow.

I guess I just really wanted the answer to be as simple as there being flavors out there with nic already infused. If that were the case, then this mystery could be a great deal easier to come closer to solving. Alas, it is what it is, and I will continue, for the sake of science, and good fun of course, to try and create a suitable mimic for my personal enjoyment.

 

[BakuPeg]

I think what we're trying to say is Nicotine isn't the innocent odorless inert additive we've been adding to the juices to stave off the cravings of the stinkies. Wiki says "Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants". And is related to the Tomatillo, Potato, Pepper, Tomato, and Petunia. (and of course Tobacco)
Why mention that, I don't know. Anyway it seems it does enhance flavors, or change them a little bit in the least.
Just took a taste puff of gj. It is certainly a "well rounded" type of juice.
Anyway I am eager to try to make some mixes with the tobacco leaves on the way. I don't have any large bottles, but I do have a few 4 oz jelly jars I can use.

and Lev, we are doing this for fun anyway

 

[glassmanoak]

Okay EV1. Here goes:
I ordered BB and GJ from AVE on Wednesday., It shipped Thursday and I received it today. I'm going to vape it over the weekend in a fresh atty and post my finding here. But, one thing I can say right now. The GJ and to a lesser extent is nowhere close to 100% VG. It may not have PG, but it has some diluting liquid. I vape 70% VG and 80% VG from Wizard Labs exclusively. These 2 juices are MUCH less viscous than that. Probably diluted with distilled water and not alcohol, because I don't taste the alcohol and the TH is not heavy.
I'll report back Monday.

 

[graffinfected]

niiiiiiiiceeeeeee.. i wanna taste these dam juices already

 

[Cyrus Vap]

great thread friends

I just read through, a few thoughts come to mind, hope you don't mind

1) the nic is part of the equation. whatever AVE uses, its an in your face, high pepper, high alkaline-note, high TH kind of nic that I would guess is MFS/Wizard Labs. Nic has a flavor, taste, feel, etc, and its not a neutral bystander. The more sensitive your palate is, the more true this becomes.

2) there's def a difference between VG, VG/PG, and PG juices, so keep in mind they will effect flavors differently. if you're getting really close to something, and you can tolerate it, I would switch (for purposes of the project) to 100% VG. PG indeed has a taste, as does VG, and they're far from neutral in the way they affect a mix.

3) using the color of juices to track down flavorings is indeed valid, but keep in mind that flavorings/nic in VG vs. flavorings/nic in PG will color, discolor, etc, differently. Almost all of my VG blends (well, they're all VG blends no adays) with *anything* sweet in the mix discolor to a rich brown/amber

anyway I'm lamenting the fact that I don't have a good graham cracker now but I do have acetyl pyrazine, it used to be one of my 'die without' flavors.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Okay EV1. Here goes:
I ordered BB and GJ from AVE on Wednesday., It shipped Thursday and I received it today. I'm going to vape it over the weekend in a fresh atty and post my finding here. But, one thing I can say right now. The GJ and to a lesser extent is nowhere close to 100% VG. It may not have PG, but it has some diluting liquid. I vape 70% VG and 80% VG from Wizard Labs exclusively. These 2 juices are MUCH less viscous than that. Probably diluted with distilled water and not alcohol, because I don't taste the alcohol and the TH is not heavy.
I'll report back Monday.

I agree 100%

so its either alcohol based flavor, pg based flavor, both, and/or thinning with DW etc that AVE is doing

there's no way in hell either one of those juices is 100% VG (I understand that most people say "100% VG" and don't mean it literally, but still...)

 

[graffinfected]

i dont understand how a vendor can claim 100% vg and it be completely false.. if they are adding even one little tiny drop of pg then its not 100%vg in my book. it just isnt.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Has anyone straight out asked AVE? If they say yes its 100% VG then we know the flavors are VG or (less likely) water based, or they are using VG flavors and cutting with water. Its still not 100% VG then of course, but water allergies are fake . (As are most PG 'allergies,' but I won't go there lol)

 

[graffinfected]

lol fake pg allergies....???????????????????????? please pm me the details.. i would love to read about that.. im not allergic to pg .. im just interested in your claim.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

It's just the way the term "allergy" is used, drives me nuts. The fault is mine, not everyone knows the medical jive talk. And based on my experience people tend to run wild with reactions that they attribute to a purported noxious stimulus, food, etc. Fake is a strong word, I was being a bit playful and I'm sure I"ll be scolded for it soon enough lol. I guess it boils down to the inherent danger of self diagnosing/google diagnosing, pretty much always fails in one way or another.

But an allergy is an immunologic reaction by definition. Just based on what most people describe on the forums, very few histories sound like a bona fide allergy. Skin eruptions, itching, wheezing/bronchoconstriction, urinating blood, etc, those are immunologic processes. A true allergy can be a very, very bad thing!

Dry throat, sore throat, funny feeling in the chest...maybe? Maybe not. But of course diagnosing through the internet is just as silly as self diagnosing

Just because PG irritates someone (as it does me) doesn't mean they have an allergy

Just semantics I guess in context of conversation, but medically its a big distinction

 

[graffinfected]

correct.. they are just sensitive to it... it doesnt mean they have an allergy.. or an allergic reaction, although it may exist in some peoples experiences, most people are not allergic to PG... just sensitive to it. im glad we are on the same page.. the subject was irritating me also.. in a non allergic way..

anyways... back to cracking the gorilla juice code... noone is going to be able to post any news until i would say tuesday... besides glassmanoak ... im sure he will be posting on monday about his experiences with bobas and GJ on monday.... i tried to order some last friday but the store was closed (?) people love these juices huh?

 

[JeremyGa]

has anyone considered Vapor Renu as the supplier for his tobacco flavoring or possibly other ingredients? They are California based and they are the main supplier for all of Flavor West flavorings (When you order from flavorwest.com Vapor Renu send you the package) Also.. Ben says there are five ingredients. Is this total including VG? It's all a big mystery, but I think his claim to simple should be a clue of sorts. I am def getting a tobacco, but at a very very small percentage, possibly 1-2%. I am getting Graham Cracker as the pronounced flavor. I have TPA and FW on the way for both. I believe it has coconut as well. Reason is that I use TPA coconut in one of my tobaccos and it actually adds a juiciness or tart sort of flavor. I think there is a natural banana in there but again very small percentage. Possibly Banana Cream but most likely FW banana or Loranne's Banana Natural. I think the 5th "ingredient" is VG. I think ben was probably going for a banana RY4 and he stumbbled on this recipe by accident. Judging by smell alone, if the Tobacco is Flavourart, I would bet money on it being Virginia.

I haven't tried, but based on smelling and knowing what each flavor tastes like, I would try this (and I will once I get graham cracker in)
8% Graham Cracker (Either TPA or FW)
2% Virginia Tobacco (FA)
3% Coconut (TPA)
4% Banana Cream (TPA) or Banana (FW) or Natural Banana (Loranne)
1 drop Vape Wizard

It might not be close, but strictly based on smell and taste of GJ versus knowing my flavorings at home, This is my guess.

 

[Levitas]

The only problem with the above recipe is that a couple, if not all, of those flavorings are PG based. Not really an issue for those that are looking to just make a mimic. The only thing I can offer to that recipe is to be kind of careful with the graham cracker (TFA), it can make a juice very buttery sweet.

 

[JeremyGa]

Yeah I have no idea what the real ingredients would be, thats just a guess on getting something close. I havent played with graham cracker yet. BUT it's def an up front flavor in GJ. No doubt about it.

 

[Levitas]

Yeah I have no idea what the real ingredients would be, thats just a guess on getting something close. I havent played with graham cracker yet. BUT it's def an up front flavor in GJ. No doubt about it.

Please don't mistake this question as me being condescending, or difficult, but, how can you know that it's definitely the up front flavor, if you've never DIY'ed with it before? (I am genuinely curious)

 

[JeremyGa]

Overwhelming smell and taste. Screams graham cracker. Granted if the flavoring tastes NOTHING like graham crackers then I am 100% wrong. To me GJ tastes like Honey Maid graham crackers with a tiny hint of banana. Like I said, purely a guess and I will try out what (in my head) it seems to be. Probably completely off base, but thats what I get when I vape it.

 

[Levitas]

I don't doubt your senses, I was just curious, is all. Sometimes my curiosity, rather my way of asking questions offends people sometimes, when I truly mean no offense. Thanks for being cool about it.

I am wanting to try a different graham cracker, or something similar. TFA GC smells so good, but I think at higher %'s, it dominates the juice. However, with that Virginia you plan on adding, it might round it off. Please do post the results.

 

[JeremyGa]

Absolutely. I find the same thing you are talking about (being overwhelming) with Honey (TPA) It's so good but seems to dominate. Def looking forward to joining up the coversation and trying to get a good clone going!