Gorilla Juice DIY clone : Feedback needed.

[graffinfected]

thats a good idea GLASS,

about having this recipe steeped for comparison...

how long will it take for that order to get to you?

if you dont like it and your thinking of throwing them out, please send me a 10ml batch of both and the rest to Levi, i just want to see what this fuss is all about.. and i want them to try and duplicate myself.... most likely sense you have vaped them before.. you will remember what it tastes like and keep them...

i have the new grape jolly rancher that hasent even come out yet from TPA... maybe if you like grape we can trade... just pm me if your interested..

 

[Levitas]

Another thing to consider: Boba's Bounty, Gorilla juice, or any of AV tobaccos juices aren't available in 0mg. Why is that? Well, because it seems to me that either 1.) They all share a similar base, or 2.) they just don't want to mix 0mg in those flavors.

I find the latter hard to believe, as they lose potential no nic customers in doing so. The former, however, would indicate that there is a flavoring out there that already has nicotine in it. Also, this flavoring would have to been around for a few years, unless there has been some sort of alteration through the times.

So, any ideas? Or, does anyone know of any flavorings/vendors that sell them with nicotine already added? Something to consider.

 

[graffinfected]

hmmmm, that's a good eye Levi....

i think it could also be that the consumer wont get the flavor that AV is looking for without the nic, or maybe its the roughness of the TH that they wont achieve in their flavors without the nic...

i know for a fact that Nic also helps in the steeping process, maybe they mix it with nic because it takes too mcuh time to get the right flavor in time without it... and it will take like 33 thousand years to steep it properly without the nic.... i dont know just a thought. (and of course im exaggerating about the 33 thousand years.)

 

[Levitas]

I think I recall someone once asking in the AV Sub-Forum if they were going to ever offer 0mg. I believe the answer was summarized as it being impossible due to the flavorings used.

I need to do some small amount of digging to find the source, alas, I am exhausted and I've a long day at the hospital tomorrow

 

[digunderground]

Perhaps, a peruse through Dawns site might help in identifiying flavorings used?

Who is Dawn? Pardon my ignorance, I only know a few suppliers etc.

I think I recall someone once asking in the AV Sub-Forum if they were going to ever offer 0mg. I believe the answer was summarized as it being impossible due to the flavorings used.

I think that might be a good indicator that it has a natural tobacco flavor of some sort, due to the difficulty/impossibility o fully removing nicotine. Maybe a seedman's or something of the sort.

I just ordered from Wizards and OSDIY.. like $80 in total of odds and ends flavorings ranging from tobaccos I was missing, to a few fruits I was missing (yes I grabbed cherry, about 4 types.. I know some think in crazy, but give me a little credit.. haha), and even obscure ones like "Bread" and "Malty" etc. I also grabbed 100% vg nic(100mg) so I can start experimenting with 100%vg on this blend.

I have now tried all the tobaccos I have and I really dont think any of them are it, ill let them steep a little longer, but nothing jumps out. I've tried a few of the other suggestions from fig, to berries, to coconut, and I personally dont see it as a match to the "IT" flavor.

Sorry I have been absent, I've been reading all the posts as they come in (excitedly may I add) I'm glad this has sparked some suggestions and conversation. I'm perfectly happy and vaping away on a slight variation of my original recipe.. but ITS FUN to try to get even closer.. so keep the comments coming.. good and bad.. I love to hear it. I just feel unless I have something to offer into the conversation, i'll stay quiet. But just know I am following anxiously.

As soon as I have some feedback ill post my findings. Looking forward to reading all of yours! Happy vaping all.

 

[graffinfected]

i feel like you guys will eventually figure this out... i cant wait for DIG's stuff to arrive.. cant wait to see what he comes up with.

you think it could be a dkang tobacco?

maybe its actual tabacco extracted at the vendors home/lab w/e.... tobacco has nicotine in the plant to begin with. hmmm

 

[digunderground]

i feel like you guys will eventually figure this out... i cant wait for DIG's stuff to arrive.. cant wait to see what he comes up with.
you think it could be a dkang tobacco?
maybe its actual tabacco extracted at the vendors home/lab w/e.... tobacco has nicotine in the plant to begin with. hmmm

I cant wait either lol

I have tried the DK I have but i dont know if other vendors are different, I dont think thats it.. I have 2 types of 555 on order and im going to try that. I completely agree with your thought on the tobacco extract, though I dont think its extracted by the AVE crew. Maybe it is Tobacco absolute or something of the sort, I will try with that once it comes in.

Keep the ideas coming.

Graffinfected, do you ever make it to the sofla vapers meet in lauderdale? im just north in Delray/boca area. we should meet up there next time, I'll bring some of these and you can try them and give input.

 

[graffinfected]

WHAT the FREAK?! you live nearby?.... well, im in miami so its not that close but i was actually planning on.... you know what ... this is off topic.. pm me please.. and if you dont, then i will send a contact request lol.. i dont know any vapors around here man... besides the people at the local vapor stores.

 

[glassmanoak]

My BB and GJ was mailed today. I should get it early next week.

Incidently, this old thread popped up again today.


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...stered-gorilla-juice-bobas-bounty-recipt.html

 

[BakuPeg]

I was just thinking of the VG - Only nature of bb/gj. I think I will buy a few leaves from leaf only .com Probably the virginia flue cured and maybe one other and start them steeping in some VG for a month or two. (you can buy 1/4th pound samples).
I have some 4 month old bb and gj. (Husband loves the two but he will not touch a vendor juice since Ive been DIY.)

 

[graffinfected]

I was just thinking of the VG - Only nature of bb/gj. I think I will buy a few leaves from leaf only .com Probably the virginia flue cured and maybe one other and start them steeping in some VG for a month or two. (you can buy 1/4th pound samples).
I have some 4 month old bb and gj. (Husband loves the two but he will not touch a vendor juice since Ive been DIY.)

really??? can you pm me some recipes to try out???

im curious to see what happens with those leaves.. because its a huge probability that your right about this. or at least will open the dorrs to another direction.

 

[Levitas]

Pretty sure I've read somewhere, or saw a vendor at one time selling these flavorings with nic infused already. I don't remember who, nor do I remember if they were PG-Free.

If AV is getting it from somewhere, then it shouldn't be that hard for us to do so. Unless it's a private business in which they sell exclusively to AV.

 

[mwa102464]

I've been playing with DIY for 3 yrs now and it's been OK, but,, as of a few months ago I started buying from leafonly.com and steeping the real whole cured tobacco leaves in NIC/PG/VG it makes for one hell of a great final product and Base for other mixes. So far I have purchased a 1/4LB'S of the canadian Virginia flue cured which is fabulous, the Burley, the Sweet Bright Leaf Flue Cured, and the Aged Nicaraguan Seco Cigar, as well as about 8 others, These work outstanding.

I lightly spray the whole leaf to wash off any bi product from the grow and cure and lay them out on a piece of paper towel till they dry. Then I pull out the main center stem from the big leaf and some of the smaller stems running through the leaf. I then crumble pieces up into small bud like pieces and stuff my bottle about 3/4 full. I then add my mixture of PG/VG/NIC @ 12mg ( you can use whatever MG you use ) to the bottle till it's full. I let this steep for 3-4weeks. I then use it as is or even better I use it as my base to make some flavored juices. Vanilla cream added to this makes for one heck of a great tasting juice, as well as some other recipes I've come up with. I highly recommend Leafonly.com for there whole cured tobacco leaves they have some super product going on over there.

I also suggest you buy the 1/4LB samples as a 1/4LB is a good bit and will last you a while. I also have gotten to a point now where I mix 2-3 different kinds of tobacco leaves now to form my base and have come up with 2 that are really super. Again if your into DIY and havent tried this yet I highly recommend it, experimenting with the different tobacco's to create a really good base is fun and you will come up with some really super juices/base if you work at it.

Steeping time is required here and very important, a good 3 weeks is a minimum for me and I really like to leave it alone for a good month,,, Vanilla's,,Butterscotch's, caramels, and numerous other flavorings mixed into these tobacco bases makes some really super juices guys, better then I have purchased anywhere and once I started doing this , got a feel for it, and made a batch that I really nailed I was sold and completely stopped buying vendor juice any longer. The best thing you can do is experiment a little bit or a lot finding the single tobacco you like best or combination there of Tobaccos like I do, after that adding flavors is dam easy and you can really produce some juice that's outstanding, I've actually got a couple that I enjoy much better than the Buba's & Gorilla juice now too.

 

[Levitas]

Question: When you're extracting from straight tobacco leaves, are you extracting the nicotine along with it? I noticed that the mixture you used on your extraction already had 12mg/ml nicotine. If you are extracting more nicotine from the leaves themselves, how do you know how much nicotine you have as a final product? Do you use nicotine test kits (the blue, et al)?

 

[BakuPeg]

Thank you so much MWA. I remember your post a few months back, and I would hate to try to find it again!!

Lev I think he is saying he sprays the leaf down, dries it, and puts it in 12nic straight juice and lets it steep for 3 weeks to a month. The tobacco leaf probably adds only a little nicotine to it, but not enough for it to really matter.

Then once he gets the base he adds flavorings.

MWA, do you pass the steeped stuff through cheesecloth or anything to get the leafy stuff out of the juice b4 vaping it?

Which 2 would you suggest I try to start with? Which 2 are your favorites?

I'm thinking about getting the Canadian Virginia flue cured, and the Brightleaf flue cured - sweet.

 

[Levitas]

Lev I think he is saying he sprays the leaf down, dries it, and puts it in 12nic straight juice and lets it steep for 3 weeks to a month. The tobacco leaf probably adds only a little nicotine to it, but not enough for it to really matter.

Right, well, if that's the case, then I don't know if this is what I am looking for, per say, on my quest in finding that mystery flavor that explains why AV cannot offer 0mg tobacco fluids. That is, of course, depending on how much nicotine actually becomes extracted with this process. AV only goes as low as 6mg. That leaves me curious as to if this is by their choice, or of no choice due to an inability to cut it any lower.

Aside of this, I am having immense difficulty finding any source to purchase tobacco extracts/flavorings with nicotine already infused. I honestly believe I saw something not too long ago about this. Still looking.

 

[BakuPeg]

It is my guess, but IF they are using an extraction process like this, it probably has a "little bit" of nicotine in it, (even with 0 nic juice added), therefore they can't sell it at zero nic because it will have "a little" in it. OR, it doesn't taste right with the 0 nic juice added and they won't sell BB or GJ that doesn't live up to the name.

For someone who has never smoked an analog (like me), I would only vape at 0 nic. and a juice made like this would always have "a little" nicotine to it.

but.... that said I am super curious. I have always enjoyed the aroma of tobacco. Especially well made/cured tobacco.
(Must have smoked cigars in a past life maybe ) I am placing an order today for some leaf samples and see what I can make at home. Maybe I can make the next "Baku's Bounty".

hmm.. "baku" "tobacco" "to-Baku?"
Odd my nickname is similar to tobacco and I didn't know it.

 

[Levitas]

It is my guess, but IF they are using an extraction process like this, it probably has a "little bit" of nicotine in it, (even with 0 nic juice added), therefore they can't sell it at zero nic because it will have "a little" in it. OR, it doesn't taste right with the 0 nic juice added and they won't sell BB or GJ that doesn't live up to the name.

I can see this as a possibility. That they for some reason, the product didn't meet their standards without a minimum of 'x' nicotine involved. The only thing is, since nicotine really has little effect on the overall flavor, that they would have to be using 'x' amount of this flavoring (infused with nicotine), in order to minimally get the recipe right.

I wonder if the amount of said flavoring could potentially yield a smaller nic-strength AV tobacco (like 3mg), and they just add 'x' amount of additional nicotine in order to stay consistent with the strengths i.e. 6,12,18,24. Or if this flavoring actually has an immense amount (i.e.18+mg) and they are required to cut it for those who enjoy lower strengths.

In an effort to find the solution (this missing flavor with nicotine already in it) I arrive at more questions. Well played, Alien Visions. Well played.

 

[BakuPeg]

Ive been looking at the little dried leaves all day.. I put in an order for the burley sample, Canadian Virginia Flue cured and the Brightleaf flue cured sweet. Going to get a few large bottles and steep them well. Lets see what the Mad scientist Peg can make up.. MoHahahahahaha

My husband is going to think I am insane....

*- We think we have most of BB / GJ thought up. Just need the tobacco base. Going to see what I can do with this stuff. Even if its not a clone It'll be good. I'll let you know.

 

[glassmanoak]

The only thing is, since nicotine really has little effect on the overall flavor, that they would have to be using 'x' amount of this flavoring (infused with nicotine), in order to minimally get the recipe right.
.

I know nicotine is supposed to be odorless and tasteless, but, when it comes to ejuice, I find it neither. I've been vaping 0 nic for about 4 months now and the flavors I used to enjoy at 6mg, I now cannot tolerate.
I really can taste the effect on the juice of a mere 6mg/ml nicotine