GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 3

[cliffy15]

Actually... most of what kicked off my DIY was getting irritated with trying out all the premades and matching them to the fluff in my Heron. =P

For now, I just want to get my orange (can't seem to find a good, straight orange), green apple, and banana creme all to REAL 50/50.

I had to go 17mm x 85mm with this new juice that I really like from thevapeshack808.com - banana cream with an extra shot of flavor.

So I didn't go too crazy on flavors and I just want those three to start.

I did buy some extra to try because I would like to get a chocolate mint flavor going and something mixed in with some bavarian cream.

The only additives I have for now are ethyl maltol, malic acid, and acetyl pyrazine (not sure if i'll use much of it). I have to track down a good source of vanillin eventually I'm sure.

 

[yankeebobo]

Orange and banana are a royal pita to find good. And when you do try, trust me. ONE DROP to start. I've done 30:1 chocolate to orange and orange still took center stage. I mean really?

 

[iateyalunch]

Hi GP fam! I signed the google doc for the V3 flat top with Gpin and was wondering if anyone had an update on this. I know Perseus is on summer vaca but does anyone else know if this went through? Thanks!

 

[cliffy15]

Orange and banana are a royal pita to find good. And when you do try, trust me. ONE DROP to start. I've done 30:1 chocolate to orange and orange still took center stage. I mean really?

You have a recommendation for orange and banana? I got both the Lorann's and TFA banana creme to start sampling with. I didn't find any orange that sounded good. I don't want orange candy or orange gummy or orange creme. Just orange and I haven't found one yet, but I haven't been looking for long.

Volcano e-cig's banana (candy type) is what got me off of the initial tobacco flavors in my first two months of vaping. Prior to that I couldn't stand to vape anything that wasn't tobacco.

 

[yankeebobo]

I don't have one I can recommend ....yet. Not one that doesn't fit into the candy, gummy, etc.

 

[Idaholandho]

Beautiful! I did a little reading about Buckskin Bill and I'll be picking up that book. It'll be a good read on one of our trips this fall.

Ah man I would be more than happy to send you a copy. Bill was quite a spirit indeed. From building his own guns to designing a fence to keep the deer from eating his purple potatoes. His home is kept up by his daughter now. Just exactly how he left it when he passed with his hat hanging on a stick in his room.
Just surveying the area from one of his rock bunkers with his guns inside is just amazing. He was single handedly ready for a Forest Service/Govt war and was going to defend his home by any means necessary. The only thing he needed from the outside world to survive was salt.

 

[Idaholandho]

Sounds like you're off to the races Cliffy. Make sure you give Capella flavorings a look, especially the vanilla and vanilla custard. I do know that it is used in a very popular and often talked about juice here.

 

[Jerry J]

You have a recommendation for orange and banana? I got both the Lorann's and TFA banana creme to start sampling with. I didn't find any orange that sounded good. I don't want orange candy or orange gummy or orange creme. Just orange and I haven't found one yet, but I haven't been looking for long.

Volcano e-cig's banana (candy type) is what got me off of the initial tobacco flavors in my first two months of vaping. Prior to that I couldn't stand to vape anything that wasn't tobacco.

Best of luck Cliff! It really can be fun.

Most of the stuff I make came from recipes that I found here on the ECF, Ecigexpress has some interesting recipes and just doing a google search turned up some interesting ideas. Most of what I've done is take a basic recipe and switch some stuff around. I tend to really like FlavorArt/Capellas/TFA flavors. And those tend to be very honest about the diacetyl content in their flavor and even recommend that certain flavors not be used for vaping. One flavor vender has had some issues with honesty so I choose not to use anything from them.

You know one of my favorites for the weekend vapes is a recipe that is white chocolate/pear and slight bit of NY Cheesecake. Chocolate on the inhale and pear on the exhale with no real hint of cheesecake to me. I do have a GREAT recipe for Andies Mints but it has to steep for a week. My everyday all day juice of choice is my version of Blueberry Belgium Waffles. My girlfriend just made up a copy of Snow Bank (white chocolate and peppermint) since her son really likes it but the local B&M quite carrying it. I'm not really into fruity juice but she also made up a really good papaya-mango with a hint of lemon. She also has nailed Swagger since she was PO'd that it was always out of stock and on order. I'm not a fan of it at all.

As far as orange I bought an organic orange from High Desert that was decent as I recall. It's been awhile since it's been used. I haven't really tried a banana yet so I can't suggest anything there.

 

[Jerry J]

I had to flag the "BIG" part of your last comments as it was the same for me. If you folks haven't figured it out yet, I don't do things unless I do them all the way. So I started by doing countless hours of research into DIY, as in day and night after day and night for a couple of weeks. Then I started ordering everything needed to set up a mixology lab in my place to do it. The product of someone who took one too many chemistry classes in high school and college and was now the Mad Chemist. The lab is still in place, a solid maple desk w/solid surface top I made long ago for something else that is dedicated to DIY, with it, a shelving unit and my refridgerator stocked with way too much of everything. Way too much for various reasons... I over bought some things (like flavors) that have still never been used; bought things I later replaced with something better (like bottles, changed to glass only but still have lots of LDPE as well), bought tools I seldom or never used (like a nic test kit, some of the lab glass), but especially one that is the downfall of all of it... I burned myself out on DIY by making far too many batches of test liquids about 3 dozen 5ml at a time for a few months when almost any of them were doable eventually and lots of them were easy ADV's. It can take me hours to make up 36 5ml test bottles to specific recipes with the breaks my bod forces me to take sitting at the lab or computer desks, and alot of time doing the steps of aging them the old way. IOW, I forgot KISS. Adding the UC was something I should have done from day one instead of about 4 months into DIY. It negates the need to make so many test bottles all at once (that I did because of the long waits while aging them). Took hours doing the record keeping too. Then one day when I had over 100 5ml test bottles to tend to, shake and breathe, make notes on, etc I said enough. The burn-out turned my attention to upgrading mods/toppers instead and trying out endless premades to vape in them along with the ADV's I had made in larger quantities. I was still doing that until I got my GP family recently. So I haven't done any DIY for months and all my DIY ADV's have been used up. Since most of the premades I've bought are from no's to no freaking way vapes for me I really should get back into DIY... at least mix up a few of my proven ADV's - run them through the UC on a regular basis.

You got into it in a BIG way didn't you? At least you've got the goods and the knowledge in case the feds start messing with our juice supply.

I bought all this silly glassware which is never used so that was really the extent of my useless stuff. My minor in college was chemistry. I was actually looking for a titration setup until I realized that I really didn't need it.

When I first started, the big expense for me was the nic juice and a b-load of flavors. The prices have gotten much better since there seems to be some competition so times are better now.

I'm such a creature of habit I really stick to 2 or 3 juices and I am happy. The best thing I got out of it all is that I am able to change my nic levels to what works for me. Plus if I like something a little sweeter or a bit stronger in a specific flavor then I've got the means.

[rant mode on]
I'm am VERY CONCERNED about all this FDA BullS*#t and what the ramifications are to us EX-smokers. So that was a driving factor for getting the know how for making juice. Who knows what is going to come out of all of this. I figure I've got MY MOD OF CHOICE (GP) some decent RDAs and a couple of Kayfuns AND my beloved Spheroid. So I just need to make sure I've got enough nic juice to keep me going for the next year until the underground supply picks up if they outlaw it. It's kind of ironic as Oregon is most likely going to legalize pot and the feds are going to control nicotine. Now tell me that isn't screwed up? [rant mode off]

 

[Jerry J]

With all this talk about juices and daily consumption.. Has anyone tried vaping unflavored nic bases?
About 90% of the time I vape only my flavorless base. I'm getting tired rather quickly from flavors (well, not me, but my tongue - vaper's tongue) and after about 30-45min I don't taste the flavor of my liquid. I tried unflavored base.. First it was a little bit strange, but after 30-45min it's all the same for me
Now and then I vape juices with flavor (strawberry, TPA's M-type, cinnamon cookies, different fruit flavors, etc.) just to surprise myself, but after a few ml's I go back to unflavored base, since it's all the same to me :/

Oh, now I'm between 7-9ml's a day. If I'm busy then it's around 5ml a day and if I'm extremely bored and doing nothing (relaxing on weekends) it can jump up to 13ml.

Even though I really stick to 2-3 recipes for my juice. I DO love the flavors in my juice. I am assuming that I would get bored with just plain nic juice. I may have to give it a try though just see what it's all about.

 

[Spydro]

Quote Originally Posted by Spydro View Post
If you folks haven't figured it out yet, I don't do things unless I do them all the way.

I know a bit about that.

I have spent the last few years working on that problem. My aim, was to simplify. I have come a long way. It isn't easy to teach old cats new tricks, but.....

The rant: trying to deal with strangers in todays world is a good way to learn new tricks...

Most of my life I thought doing it right, doing it all the way and with the best money could buy for it was the smart way to do anything. But I've found that the massive assortment of skeltons accumulated and left over from all of that becomes a massive issue to deal with when you near the end of the trail and have no family left to leave them to. Over a few years I sold some of those skeletons to get rid of them on-line. Then selling for even close to a fair price became way more of a PITA than just tossing them out, so I started tossing out. I'm not talking about vaping gear, I've never tried to sell any of mine. But everything else I had accumlated for my various interest areas over the years. In those other interest specific forums anyway people want everything for nothing now days, literally, and are downright rude about it. Not on my watch, I toss them out instead and it doesn't matter how much money I had invested in them. I will not cater to trolls. Most of my life I gave things away to help others out, including strangers... cash to help pay rents, bills or buy groceries, bought Christmas for their kids when they couldn't afford to, gave them vehicles, guns, gave or bought them furniture or appliances, computers, or anything else I had excess of and they had a need for. That is until several of them met on the Internet I learned had taken advantage of my good intentions when it turned out they had lied to get high dollar items for free. Never again.

Just remembered a vape related one... a gent I didn't know trying to get a bunch of used vape gear and basic eliquids donated to give to military folks trying to quite smoking. I'm a Vietnam Vet, so naturally I have to help. I didn't have any of the gear he specifically wanted, lots of other folks did, so I bought a dozen bottles of appropriate tobacco and menthol eliquids in the strengths he wanted and had it shipped direct to him. He didn't like what I bought, so who knows if they were given to the service folks or just tossed out. Another never again.

 

[Spydro]

You got into it in a BIG way didn't you? At least you've got the goods and the knowledge in case the feds start messing with our juice supply.

I bought all this silly glassware which is never used so that was really the extent of my useless stuff. My minor in college was chemistry. I was actually looking for a titration setup until I realized that I really didn't need it.

When I first started, the big expense for me was the nic juice and a b-load of flavors. The prices have gotten much better since there seems to be some competition so times are better now.

I'm such a creature of habit I really stick to 2 or 3 juices and I am happy. The best thing I got out of it all is that I am able to change my nic levels to what works for me. Plus if I like something a little sweeter or a bit stronger in a specific flavor then I've got the means.

[rant mode on]
I'm am VERY CONCERNED about all this FDA BullS*#t and what the ramifications are to us EX-smokers. So that was a driving factor for getting the know how for making juice. Who knows what is going to come out of all of this. I figure I've got MY MOD OF CHOICE (GP) some decent RDAs and a couple of Kayfuns AND my beloved Spheroid. So I just need to make sure I've got enough nic juice to keep me going for the next year until the underground supply picks up if they outlaw it. It's kind of ironic as Oregon is most likely going to legalize pot and the feds are going to control nicotine. Now tell me that isn't screwed up? [rant mode off]

Another who way over bought flavorings... many of them still never used, some I now know will never be used for my uses. In my case I rotate a lot of liquids daily, and don't see that changing. The same few all the time would be boring to me. None of the premades I have ever bought could be ADV's for me, not even the few I actually like. Even the so called ADV's I've made myself would get boring to me if I used them every day. Being able to mix and fast age whatever the whim is at the time has a lot of advantages. I really should start doing DIY again, at least make up batches of 12-15 of my favorites and stop wasting my time and money on premades that most of I don't really like much.

I have few concerns over what Big Brother does about eliquids because I will always be able to get the ingredients I actually need to make my own. I don't need any nicotine in my liquids, so if they regulate it matters not at all to me personally. So what I already have in the freezer would be more than a lifetime supply for me. I doubt they can stop the easy availability of PG and VG, and plenty of flavorings can always be self extracted even if they did try to rain on them.

 

[nisam]

The rant: trying to deal with strangers in todays world is a good way to learn new tricks...

Most of my life I thought doing it right, doing it all the way and with the best money could buy for it was the smart way to do anything. But I've found that the massive assortment of skeltons accumulated and left over from all of that becomes a massive issue to deal with when you near the end of the trail and have no family left to leave them to. Over a few years I sold some of those skeletons to get rid of them on-line. Then selling for even close to a fair price became way more of a PITA than just tossing them out, so I started tossing out. I'm not talking about vaping gear, I've never tried to sell any of mine. But everything else I had accumlated for my various interest areas over the years. In those other interest specific forums anyway people want everything for nothing now days, literally, and are downright rude about it. Not on my watch, I toss them out instead and it doesn't matter how much money I had invested in them. I will not cater to trolls. Most of my life I gave things away to help others out, including strangers... cash to help pay rents, bills or buy groceries, bought Christmas for their kids when they couldn't afford to, gave them vehicles, guns, gave or bought them furniture or appliances, computers, or anything else I had excess of and they had a need for. That is until several of them met on the Internet I learned had taken advantage of my good intentions when it turned out they had lied to get high dollar items for free. Never again.

Just remembered a vape related one... a gent I didn't know trying to get a bunch of used vape gear and basic eliquids donated to give to military folks trying to quite smoking. I'm a Vietnam Vet, so naturally I have to help. I didn't have any of the gear he specifically wanted, lots of other folks did, so I bought a dozen bottles of appropriate tobacco and menthol eliquids in the strengths he wanted and had it shipped direct to him. He didn't like what I bought, so who knows if they were given to the service folks or just tossed out. Another never again.

I'd like to say here that you're wrong about people, but sadly you are correct. Thankfully people aren't all the same, but enough are unsavoury to make cynicism useful

The same people that will forcefully tell you what price they are going to pay for an item, will always ask top dollar when the situation is reversed!

It is depressing to read that you have had people conspire to try and take advantage of you in this way, but not surprising. One thing I would add is that, not matter how convincing their words, there are always tells in the mannerisms of folks like this. If your gut instinct detects a hint of BS, then proceed with caution until you are 100% satisfied that you were wrong. Instinct is a powerful tool - ignore it at your peril...

 

[Firestorm]

Hi GP fam! I signed the google doc for the V3 flat top with Gpin and was wondering if anyone had an update on this. I know Perseus is on summer vaca but does anyone else know if this went through? Thanks!

There are currently 23 people who have submitted the form and shown interest in a GP Paps v3 flat top cap. This number is currently less than the 30 to 50 that Perseas is looking for to justify production.

Thanks for your submission!

 

[faitaccompli]

Quote Originally Posted by Spydro View Post
If you folks haven't figured it out yet, I don't do things unless I do them all the way.



The rant: trying to deal with strangers in todays world is a good way to learn new tricks...

Most of my life I thought doing it right, doing it all the way and with the best money could buy for it was the smart way to do anything. But I've found that the massive assortment of skeltons accumulated and left over from all of that becomes a massive issue to deal with when you near the end of the trail and have no family left to leave them to. Over a few years I sold some of those skeletons to get rid of them on-line. Then selling for even close to a fair price became way more of a PITA than just tossing them out, so I started tossing out. I'm not talking about vaping gear, I've never tried to sell any of mine. But everything else I had accumlated for my various interest areas over the years. In those other interest specific forums anyway people want everything for nothing now days, literally, and are downright rude about it. Not on my watch, I toss them out instead and it doesn't matter how much money I had invested in them. I will not cater to trolls. Most of my life I gave things away to help others out, including strangers... cash to help pay rents, bills or buy groceries, bought Christmas for their kids when they couldn't afford to, gave them vehicles, guns, gave or bought them furniture or appliances, computers, or anything else I had excess of and they had a need for. That is until several of them met on the Internet I learned had taken advantage of my good intentions when it turned out they had lied to get high dollar items for free. Never again.

Just remembered a vape related one... a gent I didn't know trying to get a bunch of used vape gear and basic eliquids donated to give to military folks trying to quite smoking. I'm a Vietnam Vet, so naturally I have to help. I didn't have any of the gear he specifically wanted, lots of other folks did, so I bought a dozen bottles of appropriate tobacco and menthol eliquids in the strengths he wanted and had it shipped direct to him. He didn't like what I bought, so who knows if they were given to the service folks or just tossed out. Another never again.

I know what you mean, bud. My granddad was the same way. He would give the shirt off of his back if he thought it would help... And had literally done so. Several people had taken advantage, but he told me he would rather have a few people take advantage, then let the one person who really needed a hand slip by out of cynicism. I have taken that to heart most of my life. Though i am a bit more guarded about it than he was.

I have also found a whole lot of like minded and good people out there. I tend to watch the group give donation/ giveaway things for those which seem well known and trusted. Then i go all in. We used to do cigar shipments to troops overseas. I must have sent $1k worth over a couple of years. I've been burned a few times, but i don't mind that as much. Like my granddad always told me... Help those you can.

 

[perseas]

Hi GP fam! I signed the google doc for the V3 flat top with Gpin and was wondering if anyone had an update on this. I know Perseus is on summer vaca but does anyone else know if this went through? Thanks!

There are currently 23 people who have submitted the form and shown interest in a GP Paps v3 flat top cap. This number is currently less than the 30 to 50 that Perseas is looking for to justify production.

Thanks for your submission!

I'll give the green light on Monday, for 50 flat top caps v3 to be produced and they will be available during September, no worries

 

[yankeebobo]

Another who way over bought flavorings... many of them still never used, some I now know will never be used for my uses. In my case I rotate a lot of liquids daily, and don't see that changing. The same few all the time would be boring to me. None of the premades I have ever bought could be ADV's for me, not even the few I actually like. Even the so called ADV's I've made myself would get boring to me if I used them every day. Being able to mix and fast age whatever the whim is at the time has a lot of advantages. I really should start doing DIY again, at least make up batches of 12-15 of my favorites and stop wasting my time and money on premades that most of I don't really like much.

I have few concerns over what Big Brother does about eliquids because I will always be able to get the ingredients I actually need to make my own. I don't need any nicotine in my liquids, so if they regulate it matters not at all to me personally. So what I already have in the freezer would be more than a lifetime supply for me. I doubt they can stop the easy availability of PG and VG, and plenty of flavorings can always be self extracted even if they did try to rain on them.

Oh I SO agree with this. ALL of this. We have flavorings. Tons. Some never used. Some used regularly. And this is the thing. If Mother Gov did the worse case, the supply we have would take us for years.

NIC is the most to be affected by any regulation. Flavors can be had and used for anything. VG/PG wouldn't fall into that either.

 

[FearTX]

usaohmmeters.

I had never heard of them.....

Thanks for mentioning them! I got the Red LED NES Controller...

 

[Nach]

I'll give the green light on Monday, for 50 flat top caps v3 to be produced and they will be available during September, no worries

If the flat top cap v3 will work fine along with a v2.5 tube and switch, then I might be interested in one as well.

 

[FearTX]

I really need to look into infusing my own vanilla flavors.

Get you some organic Madagascar or Tahitian beans, at least those are the two varieties that I enjoy most but I do use Mexican beans from time to time. You want to use Grade B beans, Grade A are prettier, fatter and smell better, they are best used for cooking. The extra water content in Grade A actually hampers the extract/infusion you are making.

Use the solvent of your choice, in Mason jars. VG or PG works, just depends on what you want to work with. PGA also works but you should use a high grade Vodka or organic PGA and distilled water. 35/65 PGA/H2o

Split the beans on a cutting board, gently scrape out the caviar, gently rough up the inside of the bean husk, I then cut my bean husks in 2 or 3" pieces. Put all the bean husks and caviar in the jar put your solvent in. I use 25 to 30 beans per 12oz of solvent for use with DYI e-liquids (typical 1x is 8-10 beans per 12oz). It takes about 2 to 3 months, at least for me, I try to remember to get it out of the dark cabinet once or twice a week and shake it but it is ok if you forget. I filter mine to 5 micron but you can squeeze it through coffee filters ~20 micron.
It is amazing

That is just how I do it....