Hi all, new to DIY. Advice needed

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So in the 3 flavor mix you used 15 mls of flavoring total, 15% of 100 mls? You should be tasting something really, however some commercial liquids do use a pretty high % of flavoring and plenty of sweetener, and you may be used to that.
Also a possibility that the flavors are working against each other a little somehow, it can be complicated with flavorings.
I honestly don't have any better advice. Give it a few more days. Try a new mix with maybe just over the recommended % for single flavor mixes, but in a multiple flavor mix make one the main and support with others...
Don't throw out the stuff you have now though, give it a little more time.
Ye pretty much though it was 30ml of flavouring for 200ml after my first taste i put in to a blender. I am getting a mid strength taste when i tip the bottle on my hand but what would make it give me no flavour when i put in the crown 4 and tfv12 to test. The same with the other one flavour from bottle nothing from tank
 

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Back on the subject of e-liquid though, another thing you can do @DIY Apprentice to help your juice in the first few days is something called breathing. You may already be aware of this or it may have happened just from you testing your liquid out.
Breathing just lets some air get to your finished liquid to get rid of things like alcohol or chemically notes. I don't think this is a fix for you because you should also be tasting the good flavors in there too, to some degree.
If you have plastic bottles you squeeze all the air out a couple times (to get fresh air in) and shake it up real good. Glass bottles you just leave the cap off for a little while, not too long. Generally people do this a few times in the first week after the liquid was made.
When we let an e-liquid sit and age we call it steeping.
 

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Back on the subject of e-liquid though, another thing you can do @DIY Apprentice to help your juice in the first few days is something called breathing. You may already be aware of this or it may have happened just from you testing your liquid out.
Breathing just lets some air get to your finished liquid to get rid of things like alcohol or chemically notes. I don't think this is a fix for you because you should also be tasting the good flavors in there too, to some degree.
If you have plastic bottles you squeeze all the air out a couple times (to get fresh air in) and shake it up real good. Glass bottles you just leave the cap off for a little while, not too long. Generally people do this a few times in the first week after the liquid was made.
When we let an e-liquid sit and age we call it steeping.
I am tasting all the good flavours just unfortunately not vaping it. I am 99% convinced my mixing wasn't the problem. Maybe it is the steeping that well i have not really steeped yet or maybe it something else as of last night i have the cap off i will try it later on there is a strong alcohol taste going along with the taste when i try from the bottle
 

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Ye pretty much though it was 30ml of flavouring for 200ml after my first taste i put in to a blender. I am getting a mid strength taste when i tip the bottle on my hand but what would make it give me no flavour when i put in the crown 4 and tfv12 to test. The same with the other one flavour from bottle nothing from tank
Wee Doggie! A blender? Don't do that lmao!
No you're ok :lol::lol::lol: but if you are talking about a food blender, that is overkill. Maybe I'm wrong. I just don't think people use blenders unless it can go pretty slow.... They do use mixers for liquids.
Still, i feel like if you're liquid has flavor when you taste it as liquid, it should when you vape it, and perhaps the % is just too low for those particular flavorings in your tank.
 
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I am tasting all the good flavours just unfortunately not vaping it. I am 99% convinced my mixing wasn't the problem. Maybe it is the steeping that well i have not really steeped yet or maybe it something else as of last night i have the cap off i will try it later on there is a strong alcohol taste going along with the taste when i try from the bottle
Did you shake it up before you tried it? Early on liquids will sometimes separate a little. Eventually they stay together more.
 

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Wee Doggie! A blender? Don't do that lmao!
No you're ok :lol::lol::lol: but if you are talking about a food blender, that is overkill. Maybe I'm wrong. I just don't think people use blenders unless it can go pretty slow.... They do use mixers for liquids.
Still, i feel like if you're liquid has flavor when you taste it as liquid, it should when you vape it, and perhaps the % is just too low for those particular flavorings in your tank.
I don't know all this is confusing when i was making the flavours i went on to the site i ordered from and went in to each flavour to make sure i was getting the correct % then i would decrease from the maximum by a small margin. Ye i find it strange the taste is equally as strong as my commercial one, similar sweetness exept for an alcohol type taste in there but unlike my bought one the flavour is not there when vaped
 

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Did you shake it up before you tried it? Early on liquids will sometimes separate a little. Eventually they stay together more.
Yep i shook it up really well then put it aside 2 hours later shook again. The process of making i followed guidelines. Well no i guessed but found out after what i was doing apart from the blender was in the guidelines
 

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You also really don't want to expose you're liquid to too much air, breathing too much will cause the flavorings and nicotine to break down. I don't know what the cut-off point is, I just do the bottle squeeze method 3 or 4 times in the first week.
I have not put in the nicotine yet but my butter pecan and butterscotch i put flavour 6.1ml and 3.2ml. In to 60ml of eliquid calculating i need to put 20ml of 72mg nicotine to get my nic strength
 

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Don't get discouraged, whatever happens. Might take a couple tries. It's worth doing a few times though, for sure.
I will keep trying definitely. What are your thoughts on the vape tasting nice in the bottle and it not having any taste being vaped. It does still have chemicals in there which i was hoping to evaporate
 

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I have not put in the nicotine yet but my butter pecan and butterscotch i put flavour 6.1ml and 3.2ml. In to 60ml of eliquid calculating i need to put 20ml of 72mg nicotine to get my nic strength
I'm not going to touch mathematics right now.:lol: Trust your calculator as long as you know your measurements are good.
 

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I will keep trying definitely. What are your thoughts on the vape tasting nice in the bottle and it not having any taste being vaped. It does still have chemicals in there which i was hoping to evaporate
I could make a few guesses but that's all they would be.
- Too much of a flavoring can deaden itself out, be harsh chemically alcoholly, but your percentages don't seem way out of line.
- Too little of a flavoring with not enough steep time, not strong enough for your tank and or a particular flavor needs steeped to get rid of off notes.
- Flavors not as expected... A lot of flavors need help from other flavors or just aren't what we were looking to get. Flavors differ from brand to brand and there can be variations. I wonder how many different creams there are.... A lot. A whole lot.
 

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I could make a few guesses but that's all they would be.
- Too much of a flavoring can deaden itself out, be harsh chemically alcoholly, but your percentages don't seem way out of line.
- Too little of a flavoring with not enough steep time, not strong enough for your tank and or a particular flavor needs steeped to get rid of off notes.
- Flavors not as expected... A lot of flavors need help from other flavors or just aren't what we were looking to get. Flavors differ from brand to brand and there can be variations. I wonder how many different creams there are.... A lot. A whole lot.
I used the uwell crown 4 which is good for flavour. The only thing i can think of is the steeping. maybe the flavour has not broken down in to the base and is perhaps too thick to break in to the cotton in the coil. Strange thing though i had a banana one in there. No flavour. When i poured it out and poured my decoded da vinci code back in i got a really nice banana taste before it went back to the decoded one
 

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Haha i didn't use calculator but i do have engineering maths behind me so that shouldn't be too much an issue for me haha
That works. You could look into online or downloaded e-liquid calculators though. They are very convenient.
On the subject of calculating, did you leave out an amount of your base vg/pg to compensate for the nicotine you have yet to put in? If not, this dilutes your flavor %. Not ny much in some cases, but something to consider.
 

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That works. You could look into online or downloaded e-liquid calculators though. They are very convenient.
On the subject of calculating, did you leave out an amount of your base vg/pg to compensate for the nicotine you have yet to put in? If not, this dilutes your flavor %. Not ny much in some cases, but something to consider.
I put in 8% and 4% of 80ml in the 60ml base though i dropped the 8% from what would be 6.4 to 6.1 and kept at 3.2 for the 4% butterscotch. I need to put in 20ml of nicotine
 

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I used the uwell crown 4 which is good for flavour. The only thing i can think of is the steeping. maybe the flavour has not broken down in to the base and is perhaps too thick to break in to the cotton in the coil. Strange thing though i had a banana one in there. No flavour. When i poured it out and poured my decoded da vinci code back in i got a really nice banana taste before it went back to the decoded one
This is interesting... I'm betting this is also not your problem, but what vg/pg ratio is the da vinci you use? If your liquid is too thick, too much vg, maybe like you say it's not getting into the wicking enough. When you refill the little bit left is forced in.
However I think your vg in the stuff you made is not that high so it really shouldn't be a problem..
 
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