True but if that were the case he would have never taken your beer in the first place
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True but if that were the case he would have never taken your beer in the first place
Whether we like it or not, the drug community HAS taken over our devices for their own use. I do research on this kind of thing specifically to keep informed of what we might be and are up against. I know for a fact that at least 3 different illegal substances have been introduced as alternatives to e-juice. VV devices are especially attractive to them since they produce the higher voltage they require for 2 of those 3 substances. 1 of those substances can be easily mixed in a pop bottle.
Granted, authority figures CAN be overzealous. I absolutely hate it because thanks to a handful of stoopid... individuals, you can't even buy theantihistamines decongestants that actually work in my state anymore. However, my suggestion to you is if you are going to take your mixing kit into a similar setting then make sure the liquids are in the original bottles and clearly labeled. Truthfully, you would be better off to mix what you feel you're going to need before you ever leave the house, and then stick nice looking labels on the bottles stating what the juice is and it's contents. You can also print off informational brochures from CASAA to put in your kit. This might save you at least a little bit of grief. Had that ranger been any more twitchy you could have lost all the juice making supplies you had with you until the local law enforcement lab took the time to test them.
Granted, authority figures CAN be overzealous. I absolutely hate it because thanks to a handful of stoopid... individuals, you can't even buy the
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That DOES help, thanks. And most likely I would've never seen my stuff again
I keep business cards from vendors and ECF in my wallet and a huge brochure/menu from ECBlend in my car at all times.
This is what you should have said. "Excuse me officer, I need to see your supervisor please."
We still have rights, even on Federal land.
I remember most Rangers in parks all over the country being well educated, informative and helpful. However, one always slips through the crack. It's inevitable, like toast hitting the floor jelly side down.
O'god...
Now I have to stealth vape while camping ???
Little Big Man..I paid my fees, and I'm not doing anything illegal, so...
Go away...and leave my booze alone too !
Now I have to stealth vape while camping ???
Little Big Man..I paid my fees, and I'm not doing anything illegal, so...
Go away...and leave my booze alone too !
True Bost, but since alcohol isn't allowed on federal lands the ranger could have called the cops to deal with the alcohol that would have lead to a further search that revealed more alcohol for which he would have gotten a hefty fine. Let's face it, to the uninformed mixing e-juice out of plastic, possibly unmarked, bottles could look a lot like mixing illegal substances. The ranger's attitude was unwarranted, but they lose people every year to portable lab owners who have taken their product manufacture out into the parks, so it's sort of understandable.
True StormFinch, I totally missed the beer part. I don't drink (anymore) for the most part so wouldn't have that with me. But there would be HECK to pay if they tried to take my MD!!!!
LOL!
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This is by far what I hate the most about the world we live in an humanity as a whole. Every time there is something good, someone else comes along and figures out how to twist it and use it for nefarious purposes, or least take advantage of it, to the point it gets ruined it for everyone else.
I'm not surprised...
Sounds to me like the typical adrenaline rush addicted "official" looking for his superiority fix. We're seeing this more and more nowadays, which is why the public is losing all respect. And of course, you can never get in a word edge-wise. He's "The Man"...even though it's only the uniform and badge that has the power...
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I could write a book. Thank you for making me not the only one.
Just a slight bit o' editing the statement ^^^. I've experienced that this 'respectful request' has resulted in more than one "Well, I'll let it go this time." If you have done nuttin' wrong and are in da 'right', make 'em call! "Sir, I again respectfully request to speak with your superior." It exposes the LEO's lack of knowledge and can highlight their ignorance/arrogance, which is an ego blaster for 'em (not counting da positive educational aspect)!
Too bad ya had the beer exposed!!!
BTW, I respect LEOs and have no issues with da non-Napoleon personalities!
Wow, I would've probably been arrested after his comment about other things for being a smart alec about like the vitamin pill comment.
I am very sick and tired of being treated as a criminal for following the law. Having to sign away my life to buy allergy pills and only being allowed to buy one box at a time. Now my state is passing a law for some other medical item that preliminary tests show has a 45% complete remission rate for people with worse (but similar) issues as me, but to get it requires fingerprinting and background checks of patient AND doctor! Like any of this harassment of the law abiding has ever done anything to stop illegal actions by criminals.
I am very sick and tired of being treated as a criminal for following the law. Having to sign away my life to buy allergy pills and only being allowed to buy one box at a time. Now my state is passing a law for some other medical item that preliminary tests show has a 45% complete remission rate for people with worse (but similar) issues as me, but to get it requires fingerprinting and background checks of patient AND doctor! Like any of this harassment of the law abiding has ever done anything to stop illegal actions by criminals.
Before we form a lynch party to go string up this guy, maybe we should remember that he was responding to a complaint. It is his duty to respond and try to sort things out. That's what he gets paid to do. The fact that he has little knowledge or understanding of e-cig mods or e-juice mixing doesn't surprise me. I myself had never seen e-juice or a mod before a month ago when I decided to look into it myself. I'm sure however that he has been grilled over and over about illegal drugs. We need to be patient with these type people and help them to understand. The people that I have a problem with is like the person that called in the complaint to start with. That person was an ignorant uninformed zealot. Who at the first suspicion of an impropriety could not wait to run to the authority and report you. That ** owes you an apology and should have came over and made one.
But then again, even that tattle tale was in a since correct. You were in fact mixing and using a drug (nicotine).(edit drug reference).
But then again, even that tattle tale was in a since correct. You were in fact mixing and using a drug (nicotine).(edit drug reference).
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Back when I was like 18 or so, I was pulled over for speeding. After opening my wallet and handing it to the officer, he immediately decided to search my car, my trunk, and every where he could think of. Finally he asked me: "Where is it?" I was like "What?". He said "The drugs, I saw rolling papers in your wallet when you pulled out your license." So I opened up my wallet and asked "Where?" He pointed to something orange poking out of one of the pockets. I pulled it out to reveal it was a card from my bank with my account numbers on it...NOT rolling papers. He let me go and I transferred the numbers to a WHITE card and threw that orange card away. All in all the experience was not a very pleasant one. It does suck when a "LEO" sees what he wants to see.
That is what I find so funny about about the attempts to ban fire arms. Look at all the drugs that are illegal to buy, sell, or possess yet they are sold in every city, in every state, 365 days a year. There is already a market and infrastructure setup to sell things that are banned and anything new added to the ban list will be added to the supplies of this illegal infrastructure, thus ensuring that only the participants in this illegal market have the products on the banned lists.
The guy walks over and gives the OP the third degree for using his PV. He then summons the OP (after taking his property) with a gesture (most inappropriate and un-professional) to come discuss it. I would have recorded the whole incident. The guy was out of line. OP, next time insist on a supervisor. Keep repeating, "Under no circumstances will I continue to discuss this without your supervisor present. You need to get him here immediately."
Nicotine cannot cause death when handled in the forms sold commercially by vendors unless ingested in large quantities. It has never been documented as a cause of death when used as intended from a PV.
Unlike smokers of controlled substances, we are using a legal substance for its intended purpose. Don't let this LEO tell you any different. It is his job to prove you are doing something illegal, it is certainly not your job to prove you are not engaged in illegal activity! Vape responsibly, but always vape proudly!
Make no mistake, an officer does NOT have to PROVE you are doing something illegal. They can make an arrest on suspicion of illegal activity and THEN do an investigation and leave it up to the DA and the courts to decide your guilt. They can even hold you for 24 hours without formally charging you. Most of the time they will not do this without hard evidence unless the crime suspected is severe enough to warrant taking you off of the street, but they can. Showing them respect, even if undeserved, can go a long way to easing their suspicion and hopefully keep you out of hand cuffs.
Apparently you missed this.
The handling of high-strength base liquids, and especially pure nicotine, and the chemicals needed to create e-liquid should be done only by those qualified to work with dangerous materials.
Any information contained within this forum is acted on at the user's own risk.
ECF cannot be held responsible for individuals causing injury or even death to themselves or others by following the information contained in this forum.
Anyone considering doing so must bear in mind the following:
•Nicotine is an extremely toxic substance - more so than arsenic, milligram for milligram. Its extraction, storage and use in e-liquid pose a significant risk to the user and anyone who might come into contact with it.
•Never allow nicotine to touch your skin or allow it to build up in the atmosphere. Always wear suitable protective clothing and keep workspaces well ventilated.
•Extreme caution must always be applied in the handling of nicotine, especially where children are concerned - a drop of e-liquid that might make a long-term smoker feel sick will likely kill a child.
•All items contaminated by nicotine extraction or e-liquid mixing must be cleaned or disposed of accordingly. Treat it as toxic waste - do not allow it to pollute the environment or remain unattended or unsecured at any time. Contact your local authority to find what provisions there are for hazardous waste disposal before you attempt any e-liquid production.
•E-liquid and all substances used in its production must be stored securely away from children and pets and in child-proof bottles.
•Appropriate care must be taken to safeguard against fire-hazards. Many ingredients in e-liquid are highly flammable, as are many substances used in the extraction of nicotine.
Even following these guidelines cannot guarantee your safety.
If you do not have experience in handling dangerous chemicals you should not attempt to do any DIY liquid manufacture. Buy your e-liquid supplies instead from one of the many manufacturers that already exist.
Again, ECF cannot be held responsible for injury or death caused by following any of the information found on the boards
(( If we are unwilling to state the truth how can we expect the opposition to do so.))
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