How can shops sell clones?

[TheColdHandedVG]

As I said a few posts ago.......

Then what's the deal with the whole "patent pending" thing? I see many large (and smart in my opinion) manufacturers of random products (not e-cig related) that say their patent is pending and then go ahead and put the product on the market. Doesn't that mean there is some sort of protection if your patent is at least being processed and has been recognized by the authority? This is honestly a question because I do not know.

 

[boborone]

Well we're paying for their time and costs of doing business in a country where it costs more to make than in China.

You are comparing Ford to China. and Fords are more comparable to an authentic mech. You can't buy a clone car from China for 1/10 the price of a Ford can you?

Silver Bullet has wiring... which may make it not a mechanical... do you not sub ohm vape?

I agree its not complicated but you can't get a good mech from China ... until it is "cloned" and it can't be a "clone" unless first it was an authentic

what i'm saying is if authentic mech makers could make a good (or great) device in their own country and sell it for $17 (or even $50) and make a profit, they'd be doing it.... believe me.

China does sell knockoff cars at 1/10 original price. I've worked at a machine shop. Time and materials don't cost that much. They charge that much because people will pay it. Not me.

And "do you even sub ohm". Trying to get personal to win an argument? SMDH........ Get real dude. And not being able to sub ohm with wired mechs is the biggest stupid I've heard in vaping. So a DNA device doesn't have wires, right? Cause they can go to .5ohm. Or the Gi, it goes to .18ohm. SMH

 

[ukeman]

China does sell knockoff cars at 1/10 original price. I've worked at a machine shop. Time and materials don't cost that much. They charge that much because people will pay it. Not me.

And "do you even sub ohm". Trying to get personal to win an argument? SMDH........ Get real dude. And not being able to sub ohm with wired mechs is the biggest stupid I've heard in vaping. So a DNA device doesn't have wires, right? Cause they can go to .5ohm. Or the Gi, it goes to .18ohm. SMH

ok not interested in proving who's stupid; this is a forum where we politely discuss things... argue debate but not getting personal (not allowed; thats why i love this forum)

You can buy a Chines "knockoff" in USA? that's news; for a couple thousand? Can you drive it here?

btw I didn't say "do you EVEN sub ohms?" its a question; you are making it personal.

 

[boborone]

ok not interested in proving who's stupid; this is a forum where we politely discuss things... argue debate but not getting personal (not allowed; thats why i love this forum)

You can buy a Chines "knockoff" in USA? that's news for a couple thousand? Can you drive it here?

btw I didn't say "do you EVEN sub ohms?" its a question; you are making it personal.

As far as I know you can't buy them here. And you could you couldn't drive it on the roads here. Doesn't pass federal safety standards. Its like bringing in some of the Japanese imports like a Skyline. Plus its a crap car.

But the main point is supply and demand. I could go back to my machine shop and spend $1000 on stock. Knock out a couple hundred mods. Price them at $200 and say its a limited run. People would buy them cause then they have a $200 trophy. That's all it is.

I know a guy who told me to trade/sell all my knockoffs so I could buy one real thing. I carry between 2 and 5 mods with me and have a different atty/flavor with them all. Would I trade that for one real mod/atty combo? Hell no. I like choice and customization, not flashy trophies to make me look cool to other people that like flashy trophies.

 

[boborone]

But that's not to say I wouldn't buy real deal mods. Things like the ZNA are innovative and nice/cool. I would pay that. But for a battery tube. No sir. That's just silly. In fact I'm a little bummed that the China knockoff DNA30 mods are modeled after the Hana devices. I'd totally love one if it wasn't a Hana clone. At least it doesn't have the logo on it.

 

[tj99959]

How can shops sell clones?

Simple, people will buy them. Put a $40 clone on the shelf and it will sell. Put a $200 OEM beside it, and the OEM will sit there on the shelf forever.

 

[Coldrake]

Then what's the deal with the whole "patent pending" thing? I see many large (and smart in my opinion) manufacturers of random products (not e-cig related) that say their patent is pending and then go ahead and put the product on the market. Doesn't that mean there is some sort of protection if your patent is at least being processed and has been recognized by the authority? This is honestly a question because I do not know.

There is no protection until the patent has been issued. When you see "patent pending" it's letting the public know that a patent has been filed, but not yet accepted on that item. It's basically a warning to others that they can be in legal trouble if they copy the item when (if) the patent is approved.

A lot of mods, attys etc may have patents pending, but their hands are tied until the patents have been approved. Who knows, maybe in a year or two we may be seeing a bunch of lawsuits flying around.

 

[Coldrake]

Simple, people will buy them. Put a $40 clone on the shelf and it will sell. Put a $200 OEM beside it, and the OEM will sit there on the shelf forever.

Not true. A lot of people would buy the OEM, including myself.

 

[Asbestos4004]

My, how righteous some of us seem to be since we quit smoking. Only certain kinds of cotton should be used as a wick and don't forget to boil it 30 times in Egyptian spring water that has been filtered using reverse osmosis then distilled. Diacytl is a killer, along with food coloring....keep it out of the juice. Use the wrong mod and expect to be caned by the masses. Still into clearos? Loser. A no name battery, you say? Better practice being one handed because you're going to lose the other in a firey accident. You cloud chase? You're spoiling vaping for everyone. You don't cloud chase and your builds exceed an ohm? You have no taste buds and you don't know how to vape. Using a perfectly legal clone? You just killed the mod maker and cost his kid a kidney transplant. Damn.... live and let live. However you vape and whatever you use is just fine by me.

 

[classwife]

Let's not be poking at each other in here

Much of the success of vaping is the personalization - what is right for you may not be right for someone else.
Does not make either party wrong !


Have a wonderful afternoon...and put the sticks away !

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

There is no protection until the patent has been issued. When you see "patent pending" it's letting the public know that a patent has been filed, but not yet accepted on that item. It's basically a warning to others that they can be in legal trouble if they copy the item when (if) the patent is approved.

A lot of mods, attys etc may have patents pending, but their hands are tied until the patents have been approved. Who knows, maybe in a year or two we may be seeing a bunch of lawsuits flying around.

Well that seems like it would at least protect the original manufacturer a little and maybe make the clone manufacturers think twice about using the same name and logos. It's doubtful, but I think the original manufacturers should at least try to protect themselves.

Thanks for explaining it though.

 

[trentenmarschel]

honestly my best bet would be the fact the the cloned products are originally made in other countries like russia and china and when it comes to those countries many of the patent laws have issues with regulation when other countries copy the products. like when something is patented in the united states and then someone in china copies the patent like with the lavatub version 1 then china copied it. so it is difficult to go after patent infringment when it is in a different country so the kayfun in russia if someone in china copies it then it is very difficult to go after them. but if somone in russia copied it then they would probably be able to get them with legal action.

 

[edyle]

I personally don't have a problem with clones ... In fact, as I am typing this, I am vaping from an authentic Kayfun Lite mounted on top of a Caravela clone.
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What I don't understand is why HCigar felt the need to not only engrave the Caravela logo on this clone, but to go so far as to even engrave the original mod makers initials on this clone (just like it's engraved on an authentic Caravela mod).

HCigar advertises this Caravela mod as a clone (no deception there) .... But puts the exact logos on there clone as the original Caravela has (seems like a lot of deception there).

They chinese; their writing looks like hyroglyphics to us, and our writing looks like hyroglyphics to them; plus not long ago they were a communist country; not exactly used to the notion of private ownership; they're more into the 'sharing' thing.

But What I'd like to mention is the SvoeMesto Kayfun.
Because all over the place one hears about
the Tobeco kayfun,
the Hcigar kayfun
the Ehpro kayfun

So anybody who wants a kayfun can google them that way, but who knows to also look for a
SvoeMesto Kayfun

And for those people who like the Hcigar kayfun 3.1 lite plus, they want the Authentic Hcigar Kayfun 3.1 lite plus and NOT a clone!

 

[edyle]

But that's not to say I wouldn't buy real deal mods. Things like the ZNA are innovative and nice/cool. I would pay that. But for a battery tube. No sir. That's just silly. In fact I'm a little bummed that the China knockoff DNA30 mods are modeled after the Hana devices. I'd totally love one if it wasn't a Hana clone. At least it doesn't have the logo on it.

There's the Cloupor box.
Odd that it's not listed on the main cloupor.com site
I think hcigar makes them too.

 

[edyle]

Simple, people will buy them. Put a $40 clone on the shelf and it will sell. Put a $200 OEM beside it, and the OEM will sit there on the shelf forever.

forever is such a long time;

i'll make an estimate assuming an x-squared relationship - (ie assume the high the price the higher-higher the shelf time)
200/40 = 5
so one cost 5 times the other
so 5 squared = 25
So if the $40 item has a mean shelf life of 1 day, the $200 item might be sitting there for some 25 days.

That's why you're more likely to find a B&M selling a cheap clone or knockoff, and if you want an original, you're going to want to look for it online. Shelf space in a B&M is for stuff that MOVES.

 

[edyle]

There is no protection until the patent has been issued. When you see "patent pending" it's letting the public know that a patent has been filed, but not yet accepted on that item. It's basically a warning to others that they can be in legal trouble if they copy the item when (if) the patent is approved.

A lot of mods, attys etc may have patents pending, but their hands are tied until the patents have been approved. Who knows, maybe in a year or two we may be seeing a bunch of lawsuits flying around.

Actually, not having a "Patent Pending" suggests that there is nothing worth patenting.

 

[neutrontech]

My, how righteous some of us seem to be since we quit smoking. Only certain kinds of cotton should be used as a wick and don't forget to boil it 30 times in Egyptian spring water that has been filtered using reverse osmosis then distilled. Diacytl is a killer, along with food coloring....keep it out of the juice. Use the wrong mod and expect to be caned by the masses. Still into clearos? Loser. A no name battery, you say? Better practice being one handed because you're going to lose the other in a firey accident. You cloud chase? You're spoiling vaping for everyone. You don't cloud chase and your builds exceed an ohm? You have no taste buds and you don't know how to vape. Using a perfectly legal clone? You just killed the mod maker and cost his kid a kidney transplant. Damn.... live and let live. However you vape and whatever you use is just fine by me.

I guess I'm a loser who ruined vaping, has no taste buds, and killed a mod maker's kid. Oh and I can expect to be caned at some point.

Dang, now I'm depressed
At least I'll keep both my hands

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[boborone]

There's the Cloupor box.
Odd that it's not listed on the main cloupor.com site
I think hcigar makes them too.

I'm all about a China product that doesn't come from something else.

 

[Coldrake]

And for those people who like the Hcigar kayfun 3.1 lite plus, they want the Authentic Hcigar Kayfun 3.1 lite plus and NOT a clone!

It's a clone.

Actually, not having a "Patent Pending" suggests that there is nothing worth patenting.

That deserves a double.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I guess I'm a loser who ruined vaping, has no taste buds, and killed a mod maker's kid. Oh and I can expect to be caned at some point.

Dang, now I'm depressed
At least I'll keep both my hands

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Me too, my friend...me too. But hey, there's room for all of us. I'm not a cloud chaser or a sub ohm guy...but I've done it and it's fun. I'm grateful for the sub ohmers and the cloud chasers as I feel they've helped vaping advance to where it is today. Do you like adjustable airflow? Thank the cloud chasers. Clones are easy to get and more plentiful than authentics. I'm not for cloning or counterfeiting...but I certainly understand it and I'd never judge anyone for exercising their rights to buy whatever they want. It seems we're always looking for a reason to attack each other and argue over the silliest of things instead of banding together against something important...like the FDA, maybe? Nah...lets implode our society over the REAL issues...like is a ProVari worth the money or who made your mech. I never knew cigarettes were a preventative treatment for judging the hell out of complete strangers. I never looked down my nose at someone for smoking knock off Camels. I preferred Marlboro...I hung out with some Menthol guys....it was miraculous.