How can shops sell clones?

[catilley1092]

It's not just shops, it's also major worldwide clearance houses for vaping supplies. Here's the exact Astro clone that I bought from my distributor, though he was upfront & stated it was such & showed me the real deal. Mine vapes just as good as his. The main difference that I noticed was that his had more brass, notably in the extension tube.

Astro clone by fasttech:

$21.04 Astro Telescopic Mechanical Mod - stainless steel+brass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

The real deal:

Astro - New Age Vapor

Kato Astro Mod Stainless Steel | Vape Citi

Cat

 

[IMFire3605]

how can shops get away with selling clones? is it just me or is that weird its like there selling counterfeit stuff and i thaught that was illegal? you dont find any legit shops selling "clone" designer products why do people buy these clones knowing its only hurting the mod maker isnt it illegal to sell fake stuff in america


like who said clones were cool to sell but every other counterfiet item is illegal

There are several variables, especially from the view point of an employee of a B&M Shop.

1) As stated before, if it isn't internationally patented there are no legal grounds for enforcement
2) Authentic Mech Mod Some Type of Name - Cost to consumer (MSRP) say $180 US, Cost to Vendor say $150 US not factoring in if the manufacturer is willing to give a wholesale price, then add it shipping, Vendor can't sell for more than the MSRP of $180, after all costs added in, vendor makes if lucky $20 off the sale after shipping and overhead is taken out.
3) Clone of above Mod, cost from China Clone manufacturer say is $15 US if bought in a bulk lot, MSRP $50 to $60 US.

A lot of times it breaks down to money in the end. Not for nor against clones, if you break it down, everything on the market today is a clone of the original 1960's era patent for these devices and the current first revamp of a liquid vaporizer we currently use, designed and produced out of China. Most times and I am one of these types of consumers, better to buy a clone to see its performance, if it works for you then buy an authentic. Plus another thing, especially with the high price of an authentic, again a new user or intermediate user moving to advanced user, full setup (Atty, Mod, batteries, Charger) going the clone route $150 to $180 US, going Authentic that first leap $300 to $500 US, which pill would you swallow, the blue pill or the red pill?

 

[Nightshard]

As long as there is a demand for clones, there will be a supply of clones.
As long as originals are way too expensive, there will be a demand for clones.

 

[tj99959]

Originally Posted by edyle

Actually, not having a "Patent Pending" suggests that there is nothing worth patenting.

That deserves a double.

Actually that has some merit. Surely it wouldn't be the 510 connector, metal tube, or bottom switch that they would be claiming was something new, and deserving of a patent. So what's left? Needing a © on the graphics is all I see. Trog designed the bottom button mod in 2007! So who actually owns what intelectual property?

You can't reinvent the wheel, and claim it as your own.
"A patent ...... must also demonstrate a significant advance"

Well, maybe you can
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn965-wheel-patented-in-australia.html

 

[zahzoo]

I'm more surprised that some Chinese entrepreneur hasn't come out with a higher-quality design of his own. As already mentioned, all these original and clone mods are all the same functional design with different aesthetics. If we want we could, as a forum, probably group-buy ourselves a communally designed mod direct from Shenzhen and have it for less than any originals currently and it would be a true original at that. hmmm...

The answer is a complex cultural element that most of China and several Asian cultures suffer from. It's deeply rooted in mental risk aversion and social conformance that has been at their core for thousands of years. In simple terms fear of failure and a society that punishes rather than rewards for thinking or heaven forbid... acting outside of the comfortable box.

 

[C.M. Wilson]

There is a difference between clones and fakes. I know with things like golf clubs there are all sorts of copycats or clones, but they are branded differently. What I can't stand are fakes that are attempted to be passed of as the real deal, same branding, similar packaging etc. etc.

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

And for those people who like the Hcigar kayfun 3.1 lite plus, they want the Authentic Hcigar Kayfun 3.1 lite plus and NOT a clone!

What do you mean by that? The Hcigar Kayfun is a clone....

 

[edyle]

What do you mean by that? The Hcigar Kayfun is a clone....

Aha!! Somebody GOT it!!

Yeah, you read on here about people actually recommending things like the Hcigar Kayfun lite Plus but not the tobeco version; in others words an Authentic Hcigar Kayfun lite plus, and not a clone of it.

And if you are looking for an Hcigar Kayfun lite plus because it has something different that others don't have, then how could it be a clone?

 

[FatherTime]

yea well maybe if the authentic manufacturers would produce more than like 4 pieces every 2 months...

 

[neutrontech]

Aha!! Somebody GOT it!!

Yeah, you read on here about people actually recommending things like the Hcigar Kayfun lite Plus but not the tobeco version; in others words an Authentic Hcigar Kayfun lite plus, and not a clone of it.

And if you are looking for an Hcigar Kayfun lite plus because it has something different that others don't have, then how could it be a clone?

Well if there's a difference from the original than it's not a clone. Simply inspired by

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[kiwivap]

But What I'd like to mention is the SvoeMesto Kayfun.

Me too because its the original Kayfun that was out long before all the kayfun clones - it was out before the resurged interest in mechanicals and RBAs. Svoemesto made it to go with the Semovar. The "kayfuns" are clones of the Svoemesto Kayfun.
Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[ukeman]

Just remembering (since I haven't bought a new real mod in a while) that it doesn't matter how much disposable income one has most of the time when an innovation comes out... because you have an icicle's chance in hell of buying it anyway

 

[Zamazam]

Just remembering (since I haven't bought a new real mod in a while) that it doesn't matter how much disposable income one has most of the time when an innovation comes out... because you have an icicle's chance in hell of buying it anyway

Exactly. If the real mods are available for a reasonable price, I'd buy one. The sad fact is most of the highly desired mods tend to get snagged by industry insiders, the Vaperati. You know, those guys and gals who own or work at Vape shops, or review vape products on Youtube, however once in a while a few mods make it out to the unwashed masses.

I gave up trying to buy a ZNA from House of Hybrids, tried for 3 months. If I can't give them my money for their product because of scarcity (engineered or otherwise), then they simply lose a sale and a customer.

 

[Johnny Phatsaqs]

Exactly. If the real mods are available for a reasonable price, I'd buy one. The sad fact is most of the highly desired mods tend to get snagged by industry insiders, the Vaperati. You know, those guys and gals who own or work at Vape shops, or review vape products on Youtube, however once in a while a few mods make it out to the unwashed masses.

I gave up trying to buy a ZNA from House of Hybrids, tried for 3 months. If I can't give them my money for their product because of scarcity (engineered or otherwise), then they simply lose a sale and a customer.

We have a winner.

 

[boborone]

Exactly. If the real mods are available for a reasonable price, I'd buy one. The sad fact is most of the highly desired mods tend to get snagged by industry insiders, the Vaperati. You know, those guys and gals who own or work at Vape shops, or review vape products on Youtube, however once in a while a few mods make it out to the unwashed masses.

I gave up trying to buy a ZNA from House of Hybrids, tried for 3 months. If I can't give them my money for their product because of scarcity (engineered or otherwise), then they simply lose a sale and a customer.

Hell look at the mass produced Vanilla. You can pick it up from lots of shops off and on line. But it's still $150. I still wouldn't buy it for that price. $50 off most other mods. That's still steep.

 

[klynnn]

I started vaping to quit cigarettes, if a clone helps me do and is cheaper so be it. I am not in any name brand race for anything. It's just a shame so many people are.

 

[jrs99]

The problem we have here is there's two different camps under the same umbrella.
You have those that can't afford, won't spend or don't have the patience to get an original...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Then you have the collectors and connoisseur’s who will buy the high end stuff and pay top dollar...and there's nothing wrong with that either.

I honestly don't see the collectors and HE mod owners running around going "I'm better than you because I spent $$$ on my mod and you didn't" although I do see the clone buyers constantly making this up and saying it.
The only crap you're being given is for wanting the artwork and logos of the originals that were ripped off by the counterfeiters.

Those that just want to spend as little as possible and get a good vape deserve exactly that. A great vape at a reasonable price for an available mod. However you don't need to have the graphics and logos of the originals for any of that other than being a poser. You're the same person who blames Rolex for their high prices and runs out and buys a fake so everyone thinks you have a Rolex. You could have bought a great Seiko or Citizen for a lot less money instead of a crappy poser piece.

What I do see is a lot of clone/counterfeit buyers bashing HE mod owners because they're "Brand chasing" or whatever other insults they come up with which is totally uncalled for.
Blaming the mod makers for making limited production or charging too much is BS. If you don't like the price or can't get one boo hoo, it's not for you.
There is a collectors market and for those that can play they deserve to do so without being bashed for it.
You do deserve to be bashed for buying counterfeit products because you're only doing so because of stolen artwork and logos. There are plenty of great affordable mods for you that aren't blatant rip offs of the originals but no, that's not good enough for you. You don't want a plain tube that works like a Nemesis, you want the death angel on the front and the name and serial number on the back.

 

[LDS714]

Good points jrs.

I have a copper Caravela "clone" with no logos or names on it. I like it better than the Nemesis clone with all the logos and crap for the simple fact that it's not pretending to be anything it isn't.

 

[MrKiltYou]

I honestly don't see the collectors and HE mod owners running around going "I'm better than you because I spent $$$ on my mod and you didn't" although I do see the clone buyers constantly making this up and saying it.
The only crap you're being given is for wanting the artwork and logos of the originals that were ripped off by the counterfeiters.

I agree with that within this thread. What I have noticed is that a lot of people are bring in things that they perceive or was said in other threads into this one.

What I do see is a lot of clone/counterfeit buyers bashing HE mod owners because they're "Brand chasing" or whatever other insults they come up with which is totally uncalled for.
Blaming the mod makers for making limited production or charging too much is BS. If you don't like the price or can't get one boo hoo, it's not for you.
There is a collectors market and for those that can play they deserve to do so without being bashed for it.
You do deserve to be bashed for buying counterfeit products because you're only doing so because of stolen artwork and logos. There are plenty of great affordable mods for you that aren't blatant rip offs of the originals but no, that's not good enough for you. You don't want a plain tube that works like a Nemesis, you want the death angel on the front and the name and serial number on the back.

Well said!

 

[boborone]

Here is what the goss, maker of the Duke says about cloning.

Figured you guys should hear from an actual manufacturer.

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_...kv/goss_writes_cloning_isnt_bad_deal_with_it/