How long have you hardcore vapers been planning for the "Vapeocalypse"?

[Rossum]

Has anyone been to fasttech lately?
Yesterday i figured I'd buy 5 or 6 mech clones. SLIM pickings. Ended up with 1 Nemi.
RDAs? 1 Origen, some mesh. Some parts.
Have to wonder if the hoarding has begun..

Or maybe tube mechs simply aren't in demand anymore, so the manufacturers have stopped making them?

 

[WillyZee]

it's as simple as this ... better to have, and not need ... than need, and not have

 

[DavidOck]

it's as simple as this ... better to have, and not need ... than need, and not have

And the addendum:

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

 

[BreSha6869]

Hah! I never finished the carton I bought a few days before I started vaping. I ended up giving away several packs a few months later, but there's still an unopened pack in one of my desk drawers.

Same here. Gave them to my wife. I didn't expect to stop the second I bought my first mod/tank, but I did.

 

[corn flakes]

Hah! I never finished the carton I bought a few days before I started vaping. I ended up giving away several packs a few months later, but there's still an unopened pack in one of my desk drawers.

I have that last carton and last pack. I know exactly where they are. Almost a year old but they are not going anywhere.

 

[daviedog]

• Or maybe tube mechs simply aren't in demand anymore, so the manufacturers have stopped making

 

[daviedog]

It simply says Sold Out. What does that have to do with demand?..

 

[mattiem]

it's as simple as this ... better to have, and not need ... than need, and not have

^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^

And the addendum:

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

and ^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^

I am as prepared as well as I need to be.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I have that last carton and last pack. I know exactly where they are. Almost a year old but they are not going anywhere.

Mine's going on three years old, so you know those things are incredibly manky. I keep them as a trophy--I beat them, they didn't beat me.

I sort of ended up Vapocalypse stocking by accident. My nic purchases were made for previous levels of nic consumption, but that fell so much faster than estimated it was ridiculous. There's enough in the freezer for many, many years.

I'm hard to buy for, so people purchase me mods I've liked--until I asked them to please stop because I had ten. I rewick my own atty heads, so that's done for.

 

[sofarsogood]

Nic: I ordered my first liter of 100mg base on 12/31/2013, about two weeks after I quit a 36 year habit that had been at 2 PAD for well over a decade. I had pretty much given up the very idea of quitting, and experimented with vapes to see if I could perhaps cut back some. Well, vaping helped me cut back alright -- to zero over the space of four days. A couple of weeks later, I decided there was no effing way I'd ever let anyone take this MIRACLE away from me.

Having that liter in the freezer made me feel reasonably secure until the Deeming Proposal was published in the spring of 2014. Then I ordered another, and I've continued to do that every couple of months since. I now have enough nic in the freezer to last me the rest of my life, and I think any vaper who doesn't have at least a few liters in their freezer is a fool. Even if commercial juice somehow survives the FDA, you can bet your boots that state and local goobermints are gonna impose confiscatory taxes on it, see Chicago as an example.

Yes, I understand that some people have managed to reduce or even eliminate their nic consumption. I haven't, nor do I have any desire to.

Yes, I understand not everyone wants to DIY. I didn't either when I started buying nic, but I figured if push came to shove, I'd learn. What got me into it is when I discovered that most vendor juices are absurdly over-flavored, which leads to rapid coil-gunking and flavor fatigue. So I started cutting most of the juices I was buying 50/50 with unflavored. From there, it wasn't much of a leap to buy a few bottles of flavorings and add that unflavored base.

Tanks: Tanks are complicated and have lots of stuff to break or otherwise keep them from working right. By 6 months in, I had switched to bottom-feeding RDAs. They vape as well or better than any tank, and they're dirt simple. To say I've accumulated a few would probably be an understatement.

Coils: I don't buy coils, I buy spools of wire. Not because I can't afford coils; money is not a constraint for me, I just don't wish to be dependent on availability of pre-made coils. I'm not too worried about the future availability of wire or wicking material, although the I've not made much of a dent in the box of medical-grade rayon balls I got a year and a half ago, nor any of my spools of wire.

We have a similar view of things although I think the money does matter and I settled on rda's and am spoiled by temp control. Like you, nobody is taking this miracle away from me. In the mean time stockpiling has become one of the interesting parts of the hobby. But I won't let stockpiling become eccentric or a lame excuse to spend wastefully on hardware toys I don't need.

At this point severe restrictions are threatened but have yet to be imposed and might never be or there may be a grace period. With that in mind I choose to plan for 10 years years of self sufficiency and stockpile the bare minimum supplies for that. If I was starting from nothing that would cost $500 and fit in the brief case I used to carry to and from work. If the OMB lets the FDA have their way and there is a grace period I'll probably increase the stockpile some.

The easiest item to calculate is nic. 3 liters of 100 mg nic gets it done. If I go more than that I'd need more freezer capacity. That would mean a 1 cubic foot medical freezer and I would pack it with nic. I'd like to avoid that because it has to be monitored, defrosted, etc.

Atomizers are easy. RDA's from Fasttech.

The hardest one to calculate is the life expancy of the TC mods I favor. I hate buying mods I don't need because the technology is advancing rapidly right now. I'm still making do with the single TC mod I've been using since July but two more are on the way, a single cell and a dual cell. My best estimate is if I owned 5 $35 TC mods a couple of them might die young but at least one of them would still be working after 10 years, especially if two of them are stored as new and just tested a few times a year. I think the most vulnerable parts are the buttons embedded on the boards and the 510 threading. Corrosion is a risk if they are stored with batteries installed so never do that. I'll probably get some silica salts for mods I store long term.

 

[KentA]

When I started vaping the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, customs was seizing shipments, and the end of vaping was looming over our heads. That was 5 years ago, and the threat has never gone away.

That was before my time.
Without hijacking the thread, I'd like to learn more about those troubles in the olden days.

 

[tj99959]

That was before my time.
Without hijacking the thread, I'd like to learn more about those troubles in the olden days.

Basically no different than it is today. We just had no idea what the future would bring.

 

[jensy]

Yes, I have been stock piling for about 1 1/2 years. Lets just say I have acquired enough for the vaping ark.

 

[Two_Bears]

PG/VG

Why are you nitpicking me about that now about the third time.

I use high VG juices so I list the VG first.

Why don't we agree to disagree and drop thus here.

 

[sofarsogood]

That was before my time.
Without hijacking the thread, I'd like to learn more about those troubles in the olden days.

It's relevent because it's the only reason to talk about stockpiling. When ecigs first started being shipped to the US the FDA seized shipments at the border on the grounds that they were medical devices which they have the power to regulate. A judge eventually disagreed and said the FDA would have to regulate them as tobacco products. Since then the FDA has been crafting rules that would ban all the products currently available. The threats and chest beating have been going on for years. People who are paid to stop people smoking make a comfortable liviing doing that because what they do doesn't work and nobody cares so they have job security. Ecigs threaten that. Then a lot of people depend on tax support and know that if the tobacco market is crushed they will have reduced funding. That would include schools, local governments, medical research, etc. It happens that stockpiling is cheap and easy so, why not?

Bill Godshall posts in these forums and recently pulled together a lot of the research on ecigs in the document below. Along the way you read about all sorts of dirty tricks and official malpractice by the people who wish ecigs would go away regardless of the merits. I read all the text, did not follow all the links.

 

[Flt Simulation]

I may be wrong, but I am convinced that the only item that we as vapers use that will be heavily taxed by various United States federal and/or local government agencies in the future will be anything containing nicotine. Yup, I think it's going to happen sooner or later.

Since I make my own juice, the only item I would consider stocking up on in the near future is Unflavored PG Base with Nicotine.

I'm not worried at all about any of the other stuff to include mods, batteries, atomizers, coil and wicks, USP glycerin, flavorings, etc ... I don't think these items will ever be outlawed or heavily taxed in the US.

 

[sofarsogood]

I may be wrong, but I am convinced that the only item that we as vapers use that will be heavily taxed by various United States federal and/or local government agencies in the future will be anything containing nicotine. Yup, I think it's going to happen sooner or later.

Since I make my own juice, the only item I would consider stocking up on in the near future is Unflavored PG Base with Nicotine.

I'm not worried at all about any of the other stuff to include mods, batteries, atomizers, coil and wicks, USP glycerin, flavorings, etc ... I don't think these items will ever be outlawed or heavily taxed in the US.

I might be a little more worried than you but we might not have to wait long to see if you are right. The FDA proposed rules were forwarded to the OMB for final approval about a month ago. OMB could kick them back or let them stand. If they approve the rules and there isn't an immediate crack down on nic I'd expect it to sell briskly.

 

[Jorge22]

The vapeocalypse is ready to land in Europe as I type. Still, all I've "stockpiled" was a couple of nic base 100 ml bottles (one at 72mg and another at 100mg) because nicotine containing juices have been taxed at 60 cents per ml in Portugal and online sales have supposedly been banned. Thing is it's a disease that will end up landing on me sooner or later as supplies don't last forever, so frankly I don't believe in wasting a ton of cash on stuff just to postpone the unavoidable.

I'm still hoping for a miracle though...

 

[fourthrok]

Started thinking about the Vapocalypse seriously sometime early in 2012. Starting vaping in 2011...and had no clue that there was any "controversy" about vaping (although I thought the word "vaping" was weird at the time). When I caught on there was a storm brewing I learned to DIY my own juice in 2012 and collected a few mechanicals. Still left me with a dilemma involving atomizers (I was a confirmed carto tank user until the middle of 2015). I did try to learn to build coils for a bit in 2013, but it didn't work out. Partly because the timing was wrong...was under a lot of stress at the time. Anyway, I've got a decent stockpile of things, now. Regulated mods, mechs, eGos, cartos, coils, tanks, flavors, some nic base. Enough to get by awhile. I will need to get some more nic base, learn to recoil my GS Airs and maybe get a Kayfun or something, and try to save up and get a old model Provari in time. Luckily I'm pretty old...so it's not like I have to try to plan for 40 or 50 years ahead! lol!

 

[Two_Bears]

Nic: I ordered my first liter of 100mg base on 12/31/2013, about two weeks after I quit a 36 year habit that had been at 2 PAD for well over a decade. I had pretty much given up the very idea of quitting, and experimented with vapes to see if I could perhaps cut back some. Well, vaping helped me cut back alright -- to zero over the space of four days. A couple of weeks later, I decided there was no effing way I'd ever let anyone take this MIRACLE away from me.

Having that liter in the freezer made me feel reasonably secure until the Deeming Proposal was published in the spring of 2014. Then I ordered another, and I've continued to do that every couple of months since. I now have enough nic in the freezer to last me the rest of my life, and I think any vaper who doesn't have at least a few liters in their freezer is a fool. Even if commercial juice somehow survives the FDA, you can bet your boots that state and local goobermints are gonna impose confiscatory taxes on it, see Chicago as an example.

Yes, I understand that some people have managed to reduce or even eliminate their nic consumption. I haven't, nor do I have any desire to.

Yes, I understand not everyone wants to DIY. I didn't either when I started buying nic, but I figured if push came to shove, I'd learn. What got me into it is when I discovered that most vendor juices are absurdly over-flavored, which leads to rapid coil-gunking and flavor fatigue. So I started cutting most of the juices I was buying 50/50 with unflavored. From there, it wasn't much of a leap to buy a few bottles of flavorings and add that unflavored base.

Tanks: Tanks are complicated and have lots of stuff to break or otherwise keep them from working right. By 6 months in, I had switched to bottom-feeding RDAs. They vape as well or better than any tank, and they're dirt simple. To say I've accumulated a few would probably be an understatement.

Coils: I don't buy coils, I buy spools of wire. Not because I can't afford coils; money is not a constraint for me, I just don't wish to be dependent on availability of pre-made coils. I'm not too worried about the future availability of wire or wicking material, although the I've not made much of a dent in the box of medical-grade rayon balls I got a year and a half ago, nor any of my spools of wire.

You are absolutely. Everyone should learn to wrap and wick coils, and go with either RDAs or RTAs.

You chose Dripping. I chose RTAs. I chose RTAs because I had lots of of drippers fail on me. I dislike Dripping. And I hate burned cotton.

Whether we agree on one Rebuildable is irrelevant. But

We have told them to join CASAA, not blowing smoke, or the vaping militia.

We told them to get active in advocacy.

We told them to learn how to build and install coils.

We told them to learn to DIY their EJuice.

They have sat on their hands and let the stupid Govt destroy vaping and closing the only real way to get off the Stinkies.

But those same bunch of do nothings will be the ones screaming the loudest when vaping is taken away.

I wish I could remember the quote verbatim and who said it. Here is a heavily paraphrased version.

They came for the Jews but I was not a Jew.
They came for the Gypsies but I was not a Gypsy.
They came for the Blacks but I was not Black
They came for the Homosexuals but I was not Homosexual.
Now they are coming for me and there is no one to stand with me.

When are these people going to get active and make it ABUNDANTLY clear that these Bureaucrats work for us and we are tired of the President, congress, and unelected judges carving up our freedom's and liberties.

If 10,000 people would write their congressman and all of those people would write their senators letting them know that we are fed up and every single one is going to support their opponents and do everything in our power to vote them out of office then maybe these idiots will grow a back bone and start fighting for what is right instead of going along to get along.