Hybrid Mech Mods Info and Safe Usage

[mhertz]

I think we should stop with fake/true hybrid and hybrid-look etc. A hybrid is a dedicated mod to an atty as said, and the other one should be correctly called, like some already did, direct battery-to-atty, period. (or direct-to-battery or whatever...)

Second, there just needs to be a sufficiently and stable(insulator) protruding pin, and it doesn't matter if it's adjustable + very important, it must not be spring-loaded. The ones that blow themselves up, is using either a non-protruding pin, or a spring-loaded one.

Personally I feel it's the responsibility of oneself to get properly educated to things like this... Everyone knows mechs isn't for new vapers and if they additionally pick up a direct battery-to-atty mod anyway, then it's on them if something goes wrong.

If you go to the gym alone, and try to bench double your own weight with no spot-partner around, and gets the bar smashing down on you, then again, it's not really anyones fault but oneselfs... Maybe a bad analogy, sorry, but you get my point i'm sure...

Lastly, hot-buttons has nothing to do with direct battery-to-atty mods, but low resistance usually follows these mod types however, which highly exaggerates it... The reason is e.g. not clean contacts, arcing and insufficient contact with the batteries negative side...

 

[anavidfan]

@mhertz. I must admit, Im still confused in regards to all the hybrid this and not really hybrid that. I know that I first heard about them when the big I Hybrid line came out.

I liked the idea but since Im not a Genesis fan, ( I have some limitations and could never get it right ) I thought oh well. Then others came out with hybrid set ups, but I was always disappointed either by the atty or I did not like all the designs on the tubes....

I had one hybrid type, kinda of... Not sure guess it would be direct positive to battery. It was a Heron atty on a PAPs. My only problem with it was that I did not even think about how I was going to measure my resistance on builds. I tried to get an electricians mulitmeter but my messed up hands gave iffy readings and sold it.

If you would do us a favor if you can post a sort of dictionary with photos of the different types of what people call Hybrids.

I googled some for photos and darn it if most of the findings were not " Hybrid, dangers, disfigured people etc."

I know people should do their homework and learn what it is one is getting themselves into, but that does not seem to going well lately. I just dont want the FDA to deem mechs , or any other device people enjoy because a handful of people only go by what a buddy tells them.

 

[anavidfan]

Here are some devices I found when I did quick "hybrid" search. Like I said, so many opinions, so many articles about how they are suicide to use etc.....

If you type in mechs same about of mis-information etc.

If anyone can chime in and classify or label what type of devices these are? I can ID part of A and I think that D is an I hybird designed as one unit to be used together = true hybrid?

Like I said, Im clueless because I chose to be, I like being able to use an atomizer on more various devices.

 

[KentA]

Here are some pictures I took of the assembly of La Petite Gros Mod w/ hobo v2 rda. They are authentic & were shipped as a unit. You'll notice they use the "hybrid adapter" you depicted earlier in the design.

If the concept can be used, let me know & I'll try for better pics.

 

[anavidfan]

Here are some pictures I took of the assembly of La Petite Gros Mod w/ hobo v2 rda. They are authentic & were shipped as a unit. You'll notice they use the "hybrid adapter" you depicted earlier in the design.

If the concept can be used, let me know & I'll try for better pics.

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Of course the concept can be used. Seems we need lots of good info and photos of these type of devices. THank you

 

[KentA]

If anyone has a side by side, share it please.

There are some good up to date pictures of all the side by sides in the thread listing side by side mods

 

[KentA]

And here is my motley collection of side by sides to use or delete according to the good of the sticky.



Joytech eGrip, Phantus Mini, Innokin VTR, & Kato.

P.S. Woops-- half of those are regulated.

 

[entropy1049]

I think we should stop with fake/true hybrid and hybrid-look etc. A hybrid is a dedicated mod to an atty as said, and the other one should be correctly called, like some already did, direct battery-to-atty, period. (or direct-to-battery or whatever...)

Definitely agree. If we can't define what we're talking about amongst ourselves, how can we clarify issues with new folks who come asking questions?

We here know...

This is a HYBRID:

It's distinctive feature is that it utilizes ONLY ONE DEDICATED ATOMIZER.

This HYBRID atomizer will not function on standard 510 mods (without an adapter).

The HYBRID mod tube will not function with standard atomizers (without an adaptor).

It presents no particular special handling requirements beyond those employed in the use of a typical tube with atomizer mod.


This mod is NOT A HYBRID:

It's distinctive feature is that it will provide a direct positive battery connection to a suitable atomizer

via a 510 connection with a fixed protruding positive post which extends below the threaded portion of the 510 connection.

With the atomizer added it looks like so:

FOR SAFE OPERATION, this type of mod requires absolute prerequisite knowledge beyond that required to utilize a HYBRID or other standard tube and atomizer mod.

 

[Bad Ninja]

SMPLs (and mods without center pins) are called:
"Hybrid Look" mods.

They were originally marketed as a way to achieve a sleek hybrid style appearance to your mod.

 

[entropy1049]

SMPLs (and mods without center pins) are called:
"Hybrid Look" mods.

They were originally marketed as a way to achieve a sleek hybrid style appearance to your mod.

Yup, I agree. But it seems referring to them that way hasn't helped the confusion any. I'm sick to death of seeing these referred to as "hybrids". Doing so kind of negates the fact that these mods require a little different set of precautions than do legit full hybrids. New Kidz can't seem to comprehend the distinction.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yup, I agree. But it seems referring to them that way hasn't helped the confusion any. I'm sick to death of seeing these referred to as "hybrids". Doing so kind of negates the fact that these mods require a little different set of precautions than do legit full hybrids. New Kidz can't seem to comprehend the distinction.

Let's just call them what they are, and stop trying to invent new confusing terminology.

Originally, they were called "Hybrid Look" mods by the manufacturers.
That's what they are.

I have no idea why people don't accept that and feel the need to create a confusing term to describe them.

Baffles me.

 

[B2L]

Great idea for a sticky thread @anavidfan

The faux hybrid discussion is an important one but I believe we need to start at the root of the issue, the battery.

Most folks don't understand just how much energy is packed into a battery, any battery and not just what we use, and have very little understanding of electricity and how it works. I'm not an electrical engineer, by any stretch but have researched and read up on batteries enough to not fear them, but to respect them.

I don't think most people understand what a short is so it seems like a terrible, magical force that just happens sometimes which couldn't be further from the truth.

The analogy that helped me the most was thinking of electricity in terms of water, they act very similarly in some ways. If you think of an 18650 as a 5 gallon bucket full of water, to me, it starts to make sense.

If you put in a valve at the bottom of the bucket (adding resistance) you can then harness the water to take a drink, water a plant, etc. Now, instead of using a valve, turn that full bucket upside down and try to take a drink, what with resistance gently watered the plant, now without resistance, just washed it away and mangled it in the process. That's a hard short, when all the energy of the battery is unleashed at once.

A hard short is caused when the positive and negative terminals are connected without resistance, in a faux hybrid this happens when the positive pin does not protrude from the negative threading, giving the electrical charge a non resistant path.

 

[entropy1049]

I'm onboard 100%, but it will be difficult to convince the rest of the vaping world.

Nonetheless, your suggestion is probably more practical than mine.

Vaping appears to be gradually becoming less of a tool to quit smoking cigarettes and more of a "check the box" issue with already out of touch hipsters who've never smoked and want to make big clouds of vapor.

It irritates me that we can't identify our hardware when communicating without clarification beyond it's name because people within the community, new or seasoned, refuse to educate themselves.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'm onboard 100%, but it will be difficult to convince the rest of the vaping world.

Nonetheless, your suggestion is probably more practical than mine.

Vaping appears to be gradually becoming less of a tool to quit smoking cigarettes and more of a "check the box" issue with already out of touch hipsters who've never smoked and want to make big clouds of vapor.

It irritates me that we can't identify our hardware when communicating without clarification beyond it's name because people within the community, new or seasoned, refuse to educate themselves.

Don't convince them, correct them.

Like it or not, they ARE hybrid look mods.

The confusion begins when people don't accept proper terminology and think they need to change It.

 

[KentA]

Thanks to entropy & B2L, this sticky is already getting written while Bad Ninja guards the door!

 

[entropy1049]

Don't convince them, correct them.

Like it or not, they ARE hybrid look mods.

The confusion begins when people don't accept proper terminology and think they need to change It.

Not trying to convince. I'm trying to inform and address the root of the problem, confusion over things like terminologies, which you and I seem to agree on. Thus, our discussion should focus on how to help the situation.

Agreed, they were originally marketed as hybrid look mods. I like it.

Agreed, the confusion begins when terminologies are confused.

But now it is indeed confused. Regardless of dogma. And we should recall the original intention of this thread is to help to clarify such confusion, not to muddy the waters.

I understand and accept the terminology. I was here when it happened. And it requires clarification. Not pedantic.

 

[KentA]

Since you agree, let me suggest:

"The SMPL and comparable mods that lack a top cap with center pins were introduced as "Hybrid Look" mods & were originally marketed as a way to achieve a sleek hybrid style appearance using a standard atomizer's 510 connection. These direct positive battery connection mods… "

Such an approach may clarify without redefining.

 

[entropy1049]

Since you agree, let me suggest:

"The SMPL and comparable mods that lack a top cap with center pins were introduced as "Hybrid Look" mods & were originally marketed as a way to achieve a sleek hybrid style appearance using a standard atomizer's 510 connection. These direct positive battery connection mods… "

Such an approach may clarify without redefining.

This is absolutely how this type of mod should be defined. Good work Sir.

 

[anavidfan]

Thank you all for the contributions. So far we are getting a lot of good input. Maybe once we get some more somehow either a mod, myself or anyone that wants to take on the project can sort of round up the parts of this post and re-organize it.

My mind gets very scattered sometimes and though I have some sort of vision, sometime it just gets jumbled.

I also have to thank everyone for being so informative and so far we've stuck to the topic ( not that fun or questions etc , cant be had ) I just dont want it to end up in a big "vs" argument. I think that clones should be addressed as well. There are good , SAFE clones and there are dangerous or badly designed authentic too.

We (I) want everyone to be safe...

 

[mhertz]

Thanks for the thread and discussion anavidfan!

Besides a nice exchanging of thoughts, this thread also coined a, imho, much better term for 'hybrid look' mods; 'direct positive battery connection' mods. Thanks entropy1049 and everyone else!