Hybrid Mech Mods Info and Safe Usage

[Donnie Alexander]

Excellent thread and discussion idea.

I think the key here is that as consumers we need to demand some industry standardisation. Until I read this thread I was under the impression that I was using hybrid mods, now I realise that I was missold on that back of promotional jargon like hybrid style/like/top cap. Understanding the technical differences, my mods are mostly direct to battery.

Not that I have a problem with direct to battery mods, but consumers need to be aware of what they are buying to be able to use them more effectively and safely.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Excellent thread and discussion idea.

I think the key here is that as consumers we need to demand some industry standardisation. Until I read this thread I was under the impression that I was using hybrid mods, now I realise that I was missold on that back of promotional jargon like hybrid style/like/top cap. Understanding the technical differences, my mods are mostly direct to battery.

Not that I have a problem with direct to battery mods, but consumers need to be aware of what they are buying to be able to use them more effectively and safely.

The industry WAS on point with terminology.
Blame YouTube.
Their vaping "experts" are behind the confusion.

 

[Donnie Alexander]

The industry WAS on point with terminology.
Blame YouTube.
Their vaping "experts" are behind the confusion.

On reflection, I agree. Very good point.

 

[sonicbomb]

SMPLs (and mods without center pins) are called:
"Hybrid Look" mods.
They were originally marketed as a way to achieve a sleek hybrid style appearance to your mod.

My personal impression was that the main marketing point was low voltage drop rather than appearance, as you are only really saving a few millimeters of length.
My favorite mech is the Stingray X which comes with a floating pin and a hybrid style adapter. I measured the voltage drop with both at 0.33 ohms and found only a 0.03 volts difference, which goes to show that the advantage of the latter is negligible in this regard.
I'm really surprised that the SX is the only mech I have found that uses a floating pin. It offers very similar advantages of low voltage drop, simplicity, ease of maintenance that the hybrid style offers without the safety issues.
My other favorite mech is the SMPL. However this is due to the great switch mechanism, I would be far happier if it had a floating 510 pin like the SX.

 

[anavidfan]

I was wondering if a floating pin is similar to the GP's G-pin. The G-pin is such a unique system. I have a few mechs that have a 2 part positive pin as in photo (A)

The G-pin has more parts but it floats thru the spring in between parts (B)

My reg box has a "floating pin" but since I cant take it apart dont know if it has a spring, or something that allows it to adjusts.

 

[sonicbomb]

That two part adjustment system (A) is very common, fiddly, and in my opinion inefficient electrically and ergonomically. Three parts, three threads, and a PITA to use ~ Remove adjust, check for rattle, rinse and repeat.

Spring loaded 510s (B) still have several parts and points of contact.

I disassembled the 510 on my SX with a view to taking some pictures as I could not find any online. But it doesn't actually make it any easier to understand than a simple description.
There is a silver coated rod with a contact plate at each end. This pin is free to move (float), held in place laterally by a delrin ring/barrel. It contacts the atty at one end, the battery at the other. One piece of metal, no threads, efficient and simple. Because the pin is free to move it automatically adjusts for variations of length of the 510 on the atty and the battery. The button/end-cap then takes up and additional slack. You can also favor one or the other by inverting the mod before attaching the atty or inserting the battery.

I did a quick google and found two other mechs listed as having floating 510s, the Maraxus and the M16 came up.

 

[anavidfan]

Thanks so much. I figured it might be something like you describe. Glad to see all the info here.

Im one of those people that always tries to visualize and actually get some sort of understanding of things and how they work.

Things like resistance, still perplex me. I've read the technical meaning, I understand the importance and basic science.

I just wish there was a sort of actual video or some sort of computer generated animation to demonstrate what is actually happening.

PS. Great to hear that the spring loaded pin can be taken apart and cleaned. I like being able to clean...

 

[anavidfan]

With all this emphasis on the devices and safety, I think we should touch on battery basics.

What do you all do as a routine when it comes to your batteries?

I try to look at them before I put them in my device. I make sure they are clean and free of dust. I keep them in a little sort of caddy next to me and they do get dusty.

Every few weeks I take them all and clean them with 99 Iso and make sure the contact surfaces are clean of any oxidation. I make sure they dont have any signs of stress: warping, scratches, tears or dents.

I take a look at my charger to make sure they are charging to 4.2 V. The moment they start charging lower I mark them so I can be aware of any odd behavior.

 

[sig-cmt]

My personal routine is fairly straightforward: I have a minimum of two sets of cells for all dual and series mods. Minimum four dedicated batteries per tube. I build low and prefer a borderline hot vape, so my cells tend to take a beating. Hit the ones in constant use with DeoxIT D-Series (D100L-25C) weekly. Verify voltage at rest with a Fluke 115 once a month. Retire them to my flashlights after ~six months. Properly dispose of them after ~one year. I try not to keep more than 40 cells rotating through all of my lights and mods at a time. I have two Pila IBCs (upstairs), two XTAR VP4s (downstairs), two XTAR VP2s (one per vehicle) and one Nitecore D4 (work) of which I also hit the contacts with DeoxIT D-Series on a bi-monthly basis. The XTAR chargers are typically set to charge at the lowest allowable setting of 0.25A.

 

[Subversivedeviant1]

Hey all. Been a while since I've been on the forum but I just ordered the noisy cricket today. Direct battery connection mods are my preferred style. I hate screwing around with top caps and pins and what not. Anyway this is my first mod that accepts hybrid threading do what are some good hybrid drippers?

 

[Bad Ninja]

Hey all. Been a while since I've been on the forum but I just ordered the noisy cricket today. Direct battery connection mods are my preferred style. I hate screwing around with top caps and pins and what not. Anyway this is my first mod that accepts hybrid threading do what are some good hybrid drippers?

It's not a hybrid.
Hybrid drippers won't attach to the Noisy cricket as they have no 510 threads.
The difference is all explained in first few pages of this very thread.

 

[KentA]

...Anyway this is my first mod that accepts hybrid threading

You have earned 1 demerit.
RE: vocabulary offense.

 

[Subversivedeviant1]

Thanks for all the snide feedback folks. The cricket has a hybrid adapter for 510 threads therefore it accepts hybrid threading. I'll figure it out.
This is why I don't come around often. .... you very much
Ah I see they've blocked curse words now suppose that's another demerit for vocabulary
Also, if someone who didn't have half a clue what they were doing with one of these devices (not that they should b "screwing" with one in the first place) you all gave absolutely no constructive advice beyond "read the first few pages."
It's the kind of .... that keeps people away from vaping and is rather irresponsible from a communal safety perspective.
I've built mechs from flashlights. Don't talk down to me. Perhaps there's something I'm not understanding about this mods "hybrid adapter" as I've not yet received the mod but just because it doesn't have a dedicated atomizer doesn't mean it won't accept a hybrid atty with the right threading.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Thanks for all the snide feedback folks. The cricket has a hybrid adapter for 510 threads. This is why I don't come around often. .... you very much
Ah I see they've blocked curse words now suppose that's another demerit for vocabulary

Incorrect.

To better educate you:
The hybrid-look adapter on your cricket accepts standard 510 threaded atomizers.

Hybrid atomizers do not have 510 threads as they attach directly to the battery tube.


So
Right back atcha

Reading the threads before posting shows courtesy to the OP and the other members who are participating, and would have answered your question.

 

[KentA]

Subversivedeviant1,
If you don't want to read this entire thread, at least look at entropy1049's post #48 on page 3.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I've built mechs from flashlights

Should that impress us or something?
I build flashlights out of mods.
Not vaporizers, out of actual forum moderators.
So there.

Do you know the thread size of the cricket you ordered?

It's only 78mm tall, so you'll need one with a thin deck, in whatever size threading the cricket is. If it's not 20x1 you are s.o.l.

 

[Subversivedeviant1]

Yea I'm fairly certain it is 20x1 threading but I'll know for sure soon enough. I do realize a true hybrid atty has no 510 but I'd b happy with a "fake" as that does seem more common. Honestly I'm happy with the 510ers I have I was just trying to explore options.
Anyway I did read thru the thread before posting. Maybe my question was answered somewhere in there, sorry if I didn't see it but I find it's usually more effective to engage in conversation than reading old posts.
Thanks for the feedback tho and I would freaking love to see what a flashlight made from a moderator looks like. I imagine like the guys from Indiana Jones who looked into the ark right before they melted
EDIT. Ah I see what you're saying about the height...So that pretty much does it

 

[Bad Ninja]

No worries.

If you read this thread, you'll see why we were ribbing you.
This very thread is all about hybrids, hybrid look mods, and using proper terminology.
You kinda popped in with examples of everything we were discussing just a few posts before yours (which is why Reading before Posting is important).

 

[entropy1049]

I build flashlights out of mods.
Not vaporizers, out of actual forum moderators.

I lol'd.

 

[Hammertime]

Thanks for dropping some knowledge here I'm well versed in standard mech mods and regulated mods but the hybrid aspect hasn't been a area I've ventured into and had me a little frazzled with the true hybrid and faux hybrid look mods but I fell a lot more confident and way more informed than I was at the beginning of this thread so again thank you all and keep up the great work be safe everyone