Hybrid Mech Mods Info and Safe Usage

[edyle]

@mhertz. I must admit, Im still confused in regards to all the hybrid this and not really hybrid that. I know that I first heard about them when the big I Hybrid line came out.

I liked the idea but since Im not a Genesis fan, ( I have some limitations and could never get it right ) I thought oh well. Then others came out with hybrid set ups, but I was always disappointed either by the atty or I did not like all the designs on the tubes....

I had one hybrid type, kinda of... Not sure guess it would be direct positive to battery. It was a Heron atty on a PAPs. My only problem with it was that I did not even think about how I was going to measure my resistance on builds. I tried to get an electricians mulitmeter but my messed up hands gave iffy readings and sold it.

If you would do us a favor if you can post a sort of dictionary with photos of the different types of what people call Hybrids.

I googled some for photos and darn it if most of the findings were not " Hybrid, dangers, disfigured people etc."

I know people should do their homework and learn what it is one is getting themselves into, but that does not seem to going well lately. I just dont want the FDA to deem mechs , or any other device people enjoy because a handful of people only go by what a buddy tells them.

Yes; the heron on the paps is a true hybrid using m20x1 thread instead of 510 thread.

A true hybrid uses m2?x? thead instead of 510 (cigalike sized) thread, and the centerpin of the topper makes direct positive contact to battery (or in my case, to my kick module/chip).

The fake hybrid uses regular 510 thread but has no centerpin on the mod side, and it depends on the user to ensure that is a long protrusion of the topper's centerpin.

 

[Baditude]

I've recently written a sort of "beginner's guide" to mech mods. Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod

I've tried to cover the differences between a mechanical vs. regulated mod, essential safety accessories, optional safety accessories to add layers of safety to your mech, routine maintanance, use of proper batteries, proper ventilation, discussed low resistance vaping, and cautioned about faux hybrid mods.

I'm open to constructive criticism or other information that was not covered adequately.

 

[classwife]

Great thread going here - Let's give it a new name...

Hybrid Mods Info

Hybrid Mods - Safe Usage

Hybrid Mods and Attys - Safe Usage


@anavidfan ( or anyone...) ideas ??

 

[KentA]

Let's finish developing the sticky & then give it the title that best applies.

 

[anavidfan]

WOW, Im so glad people are getting in so much great info.

I did not know Baditude had a great thread on Mechs... Maybe this thread can continue with Hybrids being the main subject. From what I hear there is not a thread with that specifically.

Im dont care who takes the lead with this, and like I said I want to inform and have safety to all new users and long time users of Hybrids. We dont want this style of vaping to get a bad rap or banned.

Unfortunately I dont have any Hybrids so I dont have any first hand information.

Thanks Classie, You have a great suggestion. Lets see how this goes , I think I will add to the title.

What do you think of : I think there needs to be a good sticky, MECHS, Hybrids they can be safe...

Let me know what you all think....

 

[anavidfan]

For the time being, can someone do a sort outline for Hybrids, Direct to battery MODS, and adapters.

Just something basic something like

Hybrids True etc..........

Direct to battery..........

Adapters and what to look for.....

Write it anyway you want. If more than one person wants to do one , the more the merrier, more than one point of view is always great.

Maybe even one styled after the "Dummies" guides or what ever sounds non-threatening to a person that is clueless or got sold one without really knowing what they were getting into.

Thank you all so very much.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Add some pics from the earlier posts here and you should be off to a good start.



What is a hybrid mod?


Hybrids are mods with a dedicated atomizer, and no 510 threaded connection. These mods are relatively safe, as you cannot use an incorrect atomizer.

"Hybrid look" mods ( or "faux hybrids", or mods with "hybrid style adapters") use a 510 connection without a positive center pin. The extended positive contact on the atomizer touches the positive end of the battery, completing the circuit. Using a "hybrid look" mod safely requires an atomizer with an extended positive connection. Using an improper atomizer can have disastrous consequences.

 

[Baditude]

 

[Bad Ninja]

And we wonder why people make stupid mistakes with mods.

Not one of the mods in those videos are "Hybrids".

 

[anavidfan]

Again thanks for everyones contributions. This thread has had over 900 views !!!! Hopefully some newbies and those thinking of having a mech in case things get bad with regulations etc.

Hopefully everyone that has browsed has learned at least one new thing. I know I have.

To those who have experience, knowledge and own Hybrids, Direct battery atties and mechs shares and spreads the word that these devices are just as safe/ unsafe as any other device. Its literally in our hands to keep vaping from becoming the "new" evil in the news.

 

[classwife]

What do you think of : I think there needs to be a good sticky, MECHS, Hybrids they can be safe...

What if I change the thread title to :

Hybrid Mech Mods Info and Safe Usage

 

[anavidfan]

THanks so much, I was going to do something like that, but the ability to change the title was not showing up.

Thanks Classie !!!! Here is a little token of my appreciation.

 

[classwife]

THanks so much, I was going to do something like that, but the ability to change the title was not showing up.

Thanks Classie !!!! Here is a little token of my appreciation.

Beautiful !
Thank you

 

[classwife]

I'll also get it moved up to Mechmods in the next day or so and leave a 4 or 5 day re-direct

 

[Froth]

Honestly a lot of the issues I think is the confusion factor, which a lot of seems to come from differentiating a Hybrid from a Direct to battery style, I believe there should be a standardized way of referring to them so as not to confuse them between one another as they each do have their own specific quirks and issues that can pop up.

Here's the way I've always defined the different classes of "Hybrid" and "Direct to battery" mods, I'm sure it's not perfect but it works.

Fixed Hybrid:
The atomizer and main body tube are one piece and do not/can not come apart, there is no means of removing the atomizer deck from the device and the battery positive pole directly contacts the positive atomizer post. There are the fewest of this style on the market currently, mostly due to cost of production I assume.
Examples: First generation Vicious Ant Valkyrie, Kennedy Ruby.

Hybrid:
The atomizer was designed specifically to directly thread in to the main tube of a mod(can be any mod), there is no standard 510 connection in use at all with a Hybrid and the positive post of the atomizer directly connects with the battery while the negative is provided by threading in to the body of the mod. With a Hybrid the atomizer is essentially "married" to that type/style of device and cannot simply be swapped to any device on the market. You will find one of these every now and then, although they can be hard to distinguish at a glance.
Examples: Origin mod and Aqua RTA, Senio RDA on Caravela or Paps or any other 20x1 mod.

Direct to battery:
A direct to battery mod will accept normal 510 atomizer threads, so that would be ANY mod which is either converted by means of an adapter or sold as a device which allows the positive post of whatever atomizer is installed to directly connect to the battery through a 510 threaded connection which contains no pins. The use of a 510 connection thread on either the mod body or a conversion disk which requires the use of a standard 510 connection style atomizer is what truly differentiates a Hybrid from Direct to battery . You will likely find or see the most of this style of connection, there are conversion adapters for all kinds of mods such as the Nemesis, Stingray, and pretty much Every 20x1 threaded mod out there.
Examples: SMPL mod, Praxis mod. (chose these because they come stock in Direct to Battery form)

 

[sig-cmt]

I also tend to use the stylized conventions mentioned by Froth (e.g. DTB). What also warrants attention are mechs with adjustable firing pins which require the same amount of discretion to use safely as pinless DTBs.

 

[dmska]

I'd like to add the xxix and surfrider mods to the hybrid look mods. Very popular a year or so ago.

 

[anavidfan]

Honestly a lot of the issues I think is the confusion factor, which a lot of seems to come from differentiating a Hybrid from a Direct to battery style, I believe there should be a standardized way of referring to them so as not to confuse them between one another as they each do have their own specific quirks and issues that can pop up.

Here's the way I've always defined the different classes of "Hybrid" and "Direct to battery" mods, I'm sure it's not perfect but it works.

Fixed Hybrid:
The atomizer and main body tube are one piece and do not/can not come apart, there is no means of removing the atomizer deck from the device and the battery positive pole directly contacts the positive atomizer post. There are the fewest of this style on the market currently, mostly due to cost of production I assume.
Examples: First generation Vicious Ant Valkyrie, Kennedy Ruby.

Hybrid:
The atomizer was designed specifically to directly thread in to the main tube of a mod(can be any mod), there is no standard 510 connection in use at all with a Hybrid and the positive post of the atomizer directly connects with the battery while the negative is provided by threading in to the body of the mod. With a Hybrid the atomizer is essentially "married" to that type/style of device and cannot simply be swapped to any device on the market. You will find one of these every now and then, although they can be hard to distinguish at a glance.
Examples: Origin mod and Aqua RTA, Senio RDA on Caravela or Paps or any other 20x1 mod.

Direct to battery:
A direct to battery mod will accept normal 510 atomizer threads, so that would be ANY mod which is either converted by means of an adapter or sold as a device which allows the positive post of whatever atomizer is installed to directly connect to the battery through a 510 threaded connection which contains no pins. The use of a 510 connection thread on either the mod body or a conversion disk which requires the use of a standard 510 connection style atomizer is what truly differentiates a Hybrid from Direct to battery . You will likely find or see the most of this style of connection, there are conversion adapters for all kinds of mods such as the Nemesis, Stingray, and pretty much Every 20x1 threaded mod out there.
Examples: SMPL mod, Praxis mod. (chose these because they come stock in Direct to Battery form)

I really like how you out lined the differences. I wish I could do more and add some pictorial details and comparisons. I dont have any of the different styles above. I only have mechs and a semi-mech and 1 reg box.

Im going to prowl the internet and see if I can find some good photos.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I really like how you out lined the differences. I wish I could do more and add some pictorial details and comparisons. I dont have any of the different styles above. I only have mechs and a semi-mech and 1 reg box.

Im going to prowl the internet and see if I can find some good photos.

Be sure to ask the owners permission before using random photos you find online.

Members here could probably provide all the pics you need.

 

[anavidfan]

Be sure to ask the owners permission before using random photos you find online.

Members here could probably provide all the pics you need.

Didnt think of that..... I hope the ones I posted earlier as examples dont get me in trouble. Thanks