Hybrid Tank MOD - MAP tank & GP-SSR

[wolflrv]

Yep...that's true..but I made sure that my die set are flat flush/finishing on the flip side...so I start my threading..then flip the die..run it down to flush..and I can get within 1/8 or even a 1/16 of flush bottom. And that last bit I'll probably dress out with a file by hand so it will thread totally flush and seal or punt and use an oring. I've spent about 3 months running this whole idea in my head and gathering the tools. I'd love to have a lathe, but dang...it's expensive and I have no idea how to use it. I've also got a buddy that runs the machine shop at the local community college here that would probably do it all for me on his CNC, but I want to at least have a go of doing this by hand first.

My biggest problems have been configuring the 510 connector(solved today) and I'm also working on a configuration for the top cap, because if I decide to make the top threaded it can't be a flush seal like the maptanks are now or you won't be able to screw it down without disturbing the wicks and the rubber cap. My solution to this is to leave a very small clearance, so the delrin cap will spin down freely over the top of the CE2 and then make the seal with an oring which sits on the top edge of the CE2(much like the rubber seal does now) and then the oring will be held in place by the edge of the drip tip once it's inserted. This eliminates the need for the top metal tube completely as well.

 

[Gummy Bear]

I don't know, but if you really want threads I'd buy the matching tap and dies from that link.

 

[PKZap27]

I took a quick look but could not find which ones everyone is referring to.

 

[wolflrv]

Look here:

Special pitch taps - 17/32 to 1-1/8 - 1000's of specials in stock and most custom taps made in 24 hours. - special threads.

and here:

High Speed Round Adjustable Dies - special thread 17/32" to 1-1/8".

They have 3/4" 30TPI and 40TPI.

 

[Gummy Bear]

Wolfy,
the drip tip could seal the top cap and stem. Kinda like my Vortex drip tip.

 

[wolflrv]

it could..but then I wouldn't have an excuse to use my Viton orings...LOL!

 

[PKZap27]

Thanks for the links wolflrv.

 

[PKZap27]

Ok, now I'll have to throw a wrench into all this.

Stop the presses!

I think you could just screw this 510~eGo adapter into the bottom of a threaded delrin cap. Make a little recess cut in the bottom of the delrin so the ring of the adapter fits a little further into the delrin so it is flush on the bottom. Maybe cut the delrin to accommodate an O-Ring on that end so it seals against the flat plate of the adapter?

The one from Avid Vaper has coarser threads. The one from Clouds of Vapor has the finer threads, same threads as the tradition eGo cone. Too fine of a thread for this application IMHO.

I own two of the COV 510~eGo adapters and after checking them out it looks like you could use the internals from a 901~510 adapter to allow for air flow adjustment (if desired & needs verification). You would still have to drill two holes in the neck on the COV’s one, not sure about the one from Avid Vaper but I would count on having to drill it.

I measured the COV's adapter = after filing the vents the adapter would be @ 9/16" not counting the male threaded end.

WOW! What a perfect application, file down the vents, machine the delrin, add a small thin O-Ring. Did I miss anything?

What do you think?

Avid Vaper $9.99 + Shipping

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Picture for reference

Clouds Of Vapor $4.99 + Shipping

 

[wolflrv]

Looks like that would work too...first question though would be if you had a thread gauge to figure out the outside threading for that..because you'd need to thread into the inside of the delrin cap. I like the idea a lot..but we'd need to identify the threads. I also agree that the one from AvidVaper with the coarser threads would probably do better for this application. Does the center post look the same as the 510-510 connector?

 

[PKZap27]

The center post is more like the 901~510 adapter, meaning it screws together and it is two pieces. The only difference I see other than that is; The end where you had the make that cut with the hack saw, it is flat and round like the other end but without a slot. It may be as simple as turning the inside around so the slot is on the side where you drill the two vent holes.

Can't speak for the Advid Vaper coarse thread adapter as I don't have one yet, I just ordered two of them though.

 

[PKZap27]

Posting to correct what I stated in post # 49 on page 5.

The seals are one piece. In the other post I stated that there might be two types, a one piece style and a two piece style. Well after tearing one I now see that the other one probably tore also. If you take the inside of the adapter out and the rubber seal is two pieces you most likely tore it. For clarification the adapters that have two pieces have two seals in them. The adapters with on piece has one seal in them.

You could put it back together with the torn seal, I believe it will work fine either way. I would also have to say that it would be more acurate to describe them as bushings in lieu of seals.


Edit to add:

I Just found out that the little rubber bushings on each side of the other 510~eGo adapter with the fine threads that I have are two pieces and they snap apart and back together again! Could be that the one I decribe above either tore or it's a two piece bushing.

 

[PKZap27]

--snipped--

Good news everyone.

The 510~eGo adapter (53X Change) surgery went well. I was able remove the two internal pieces of the adapter and flip them around so the slot is on the same side (male thread side) as the two holes that need to be drilled to establish air flow. This should also allow for the ability to adjust the air flow.

Please, join me for my first banana dance.



Thank you!

PK

Edit to add:

Update: The 510~eGo adapter's boys can swim, I mean fire a CE2 with an O-Ring on it.

Surgery Notes:

Keep the bushings on the same side just switch the two internal pieces.

After taking the center section of the adapter apart by unscrewing and removing the center section pieces and the bushings, drill the two vent holes in the neck and then do the following to reasemble it;

1st - Start by placing the female side bushing into the female side.
2nd - Insert the non slotted piece into the female side and push it through the bushing all the way in.
3rd - Screw any CE2, 510 atty or 510 adapter into the female side.
4th - Put the male side bushing on the remaining slotted center piece.
5th - Insert this piece into the male end and screw it all the way together until it stops and then turn it out about 1-1/2 to 2 turns to start with, more if like an airy draw, less if you like a tighter draw. I adjust the air flow on the 901~510 adapter the same way.

 

[PKZap27]

I just received clarification from a member on the ECF here that owns both adapters. The member stated that the internal parts of the two adapters are the same. The member might be able to check the threads of the Avid Vaper adapter with a thread gauge and would let me know or post the info here.

Edit to add;

Update from the forum member:

"I don't have the thread pitch but it's a metric 12 for the size".

Memeber also stated...

"I Don't have access to a thread gauge where I'm at right now".

Edit to also add:

Latest update:

Memeber also stated;

"I should add that the avid vapor connection doesn't have an air passage drilled thru the center connector, to use this for a CE2 in a map tank, it would have to be drilled out."


I'm not sure what this means, however It looks like I'll have to wait untill I receive my Advid Vapor 510~eGo adapter to check out the internal parts to make sure it can be used in this application.

PK

 

[Scubabatdan]

Hey if its finished where are the pics

Dan

 

[PKZap27]

Pictures

Two 510~eGo adapters with the internal parts reversed.
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[PKZap27]

Hey if its finished where are the pics

Dan

OK, I'm not completely finished. I just got excited that I was able to get the inside pieces of the 510~eGo adapter changed around and feel it is a better adapter to use for the bottom of the tank. I ordered a couple of the 510~eGo adapters with the larger cone threads from Avid Vaper. I'll have to wait until I get them to see if I can make a complete tank with this adapter.

PK

 

[hellcatrydr]

Hi all. Fellow Tank geek here.

So far, I'm only 2 pages deep into this thread and I have learned more than from all my MANY hours reading all other Tank threads combined. This is a gold mine of information and has inspired me to take the next step into "the Darkness". (Yup, I wanna get a small plastics lathe now & play with the Delrin cap design.)

Thanks to all of you who have addressed these technical internals questions and for your generosity in taking your time to share your experience and designs.

PS... I'll be back later to blame you for my Obsessive Tank Mod Syndrome.

(I think I'm getting a cramp in my 'Like button' finger... )

 

[PKZap27]

Hi all. Fellow Tank geek here.

So far, I'm only 2 pages deep into this thread and I have learned more than from all my MANY hours reading all other Tank threads combined. This is a gold mine of information and has inspired me to take the next step into "the Darkness". (Yup, I wanna get a small plastics lathe now & play with the Delrin cap design.)

Thanks to all of you who have addressed these technical internals questions and for your generosity in taking your time to share your experience and designs.

PS... I'll be back later to blame you for my Obsessive Tank Mod Syndrome.

(I think I'm getting a cramp in my 'Like button' finger... )

Thank you!

However, I would like to give it up to the veterans in this thread though, for all their input as well.

Make sure you post some pictures too!

PK

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ok here is what I made today... yay yay I went a different direction on my first project. Kinda a cross between a gen and ce2...
Well here are the pics...



Just was wanting to try somthing different...
Dan

 

[drewk302]

Dan, we have to officially label you the atty, carto, tank, and tiny soldering, King!

edit: cant forget the pill fobs lol