i just got back from my doctors office.....(plz read)

[rtbob]

A very simple study could be conducted over a six month period. 100 participants all with 20 years or more of at least one pack a day smoking history. A full pulmonary function test would be done on all in the study. The group would then be split into two groups of 50 each. Group one would continue smoking analogs while group two would be givin e-cigs. After six months repeat the PFT and compare the results. I would bet a considerable amount of money that group two's test results would show a dramatic improval in all areas. Any one got a million bucks not doing anything?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Facts are facts, but in reality I don't think anyone knows the long term effects of inhaling any of these things, at least not in the quantities we consume as vapers. Some don't like to hear that and may want to argue, but where's the studies? I'm confident it's safer than smokes, but that's my assumption, since I have nothing to go on. Smokeless tobacco in the form of Swedish snus, nasal snuff, tobacco dissolvables all have been studied and links to cancers and heart disease aren't being found, much to the dismay of the anti's. I steamed like a boiler on my PV 'til I supplimented with Swedish snus. Just conciderations, but many folks don't take an unbiased look at what we're doing and are too quick to defend. I've seen many posts pertaining to congestion, sometimes it's the PG, sometimes allergic reactions to flavorings and some are VG. I'm not a doctor and avoid them at every turn, but some do know what they're talking about. Is it better for us, I think so. Could it cause other long term problems of its own, maybe. I believe in choice, but we do need more than assumptions to make good choices .

 

[googled]

It's strange the doc instantly jumped onto Glycerine as the the cause, do you even use VG liquid ?

 

[ejoker]

let us know what happens after the xray.

 

[CaptJay]

Chest xray is never a waste of time - might set your mind at ease. Good luck bro.

 

[natura]

It's strange the doc instantly jumped onto Glycerine as the the cause, do you even use VG liquid ?

I assumed it but very good question. GV makes tons more vapor but seeing this in the article I linked above.
"You might be wondering why fat molecules get broken down into glycerol and fatty acids if they're just going to be rebuilt. This is because fat molecules are too big to easily cross cell membranes. So when passing from the intestine through the intestinal cells into the lymph, or when crossing any cell barrier, the fats must be broken down. "

If there are medical experts on lungs..it would be interesting to know more on that too. As in, I doubt glycerol is normally found in the lung and we are putting it there. But, maybe it is?

Also does anyone in China produce a juice that contains GV? Or, is this an American thing?

 

[MMAfighterNH]

i will def let ya'll kno........but i def think im gonna stick to 3.7 v vaping if i still vape, so im gonna put up a post to sell my COPPER i just bought ....lol

 

[natura]

we posted at same time MMAfighterNH .. would really like to know if your juice is GV?
I could assume so, but why not have facts?

And do you vape Tasty V's juice?

 

[Jemur]

I had an appt with my pulminary doctor yesterday – first thing he asked (obviously) was if I was still smoking the couple a day that I had cut down to.
I told him I started up on e-cigs a little over a week ago & he nodded.

Since he’s a lung guy, I was clearly interested in what he thought of them.

With the disclaimer that ~anything~ foreign you suck into your lungs isn’t good, he did say that he feels they are a good tool to use in order to stop smoking.

He was pretty knowledgeable in that he knew about the FDA studies and their retraction that they are “as bad as cigs”, said to avoid oils in flavors, knew the difference between PG & VG, do your best to drop nic levels when you can , etc.

When I asked about 0 nic vaping he said some people just have to do something – whether it’s eating celery, carrots or lollipops or whatever.

He said if I wasn’t smoking and down to 0 nic, he was fine with that …for now anyway.

I took that as a +1 for e-cigs.

 

[Mooler]

When I look at how long so many people have been smoke free - I think it can't be bad.

There may be some truth in what the doc says, but I'm guessing it doesn't apply to the PG from vaping.

/not a doc.

 

[jadeninja]

I was in a car accident last week and had to have a chest xray done because of impact issues. (Just slight rib bruising, I'm okay.) I vape a reduced PG blend, which has glycerin in it. My lungs looked great according to the doctor.

If glycerine is the problem switch to straight PG. Most e liquid out there is PG.

I think you should get a second opinion and ask more questions. Just because someone is a doctor, doesn't make them infallible. Question with boldness and arm yourself with knowledge.

Example: My son's pediatrician, for months, told me he was just having growing pains, when he would have spells of not being able to walk for hours. He was in tremendous pain. The doctor said he was big for his age and his growth plates were hurting him. They took xrays to make me feel better. Low and behold, he spiked a 104 fever and after 400mg of motrin, the fever wouldn't break and he was having a spell of leg pain all day. I took him to the ER, they did blood work. Turns out he had Acute Lymphocitic Leukemia. He is fine now, thanks to St. Jude. But after the diagnosis, I called the pediatrician, told him what was going on, and before he could make excuses for not running simple blood work, I fired him.

 

[loufalore]

The way I figure it 50% of all Doctors finished in the last half of their class! However, I doubt you will find any Dr who will say e-cigs are good for you...at least not until there have been some significant clinical tests - as suggested by rtBob, above.

All I know is I have been to a lot of Post Mortem examinations and regular cigarettes literally destroy your lungs and turn them black...just look at a room where someone has smoked for a long time...the yellow colour, the bad smell...we've all seen it and smelled it. Do the same in room where e-cigs were used...no yellow colour...no bad smell...no lingering tar filled smoke to stick to anything.

I'm taking my chances with the e cig until I see some clinical data. Unfortunately, we'll be waiting a long time for an answer though. Regular cigarettes have been around a very long time yet Doctors only know about a handful of the 4000 chemicals in them...just the bad ones...believe it or not there are good chemicals in there as well which turn on certain receptors in the body, etc...the bad ones are just so bad that they discount research on any good ones.

I have a couple of University Professor friends and will ask them to suggest this issue to students stuggling to find an original Masters or PHD Thesis and see what they come up with...Unfortunately, these studies take a long time to complete and then report on; if we're lucky, we might have some clinical facts within a couple years.

 

[Cielo]

I am a former smoker of 2+ packs a day of marl reds for the past 21 years. I have also had severe asthma since childhood. E-cigs have been the best thing ever for my asthma and I have seen such an extreme improvement in my lung functions in the 3 mths i have been vaping that my doctors are all quite impressed.

Just to give you a REAL comparision: The first two weeks of Nov I was registering 100 on a spirometer and was able to register 500 by the end of a two week hospital stay. I began vaping the last week of November and now I consistently register 2000 on the spirometer. I am monitored very closely by my pulmonary doctor and he is thrilled of my success and improvement from using the e-cig and he has never said anything about it turning to fat or hurting me.

I must concur with those that stated that the doctor you went to simply used a scare tactic because she didnt know/understand anything about an e-cig. I personally would NEVER go to a pulmonary or primary physician that didnt stay up to day with new health trends or technology. After smoking for 15,20, or 30 years is it really surprising to have lung issues? We can not just blame the e-cig for "new" issues but we must look at what we have been doing to our lungs for the past umpteen years.

With that said, lung conditions such as wheezing, shortness of breath and crackling in the chest are serious. These can be caused by asthma, pneumonia, emphysema, copd, allergies, bronchitis, being overweight, heart congestion, and a variety of other things. You do need to get an x-ray and blood work done to determine what it could be before it gets worse and dont go back to cigs as it will probably make the issue even more complicated.

Good luck and please let us know how your tests turn out.

 

[BradSmith]

I would also like to know exactly what I am doing to my body. However, after only a month I can already feel the increase in lung capacity. Workouts are a lot easier that's for sure. My cardio is way up. I guess if this had happened to me I would probably go to PG.

Good luck and keep us informed.

ps. Randy Couture is an inspiration for old guys like me that still like to get in the ring once in a while.

 

[Remie]

I'm wondering if this doctor was unnecessarily concerned about Lipid Pneumonia. It's only gotten attention over the past 10-15 years and can occur when people constantly use oily nose-drops or take cod liver oil daily/nightly for constipation and the cod liver oil gets aspirated. It occurs more often in the elderly and within the elderly population will be discovered and diagnosed upon autopsy examination.

It's believed that in the case of cod liver oil aspiration the oil contains bacteria that gets walled off in the lung tissue leading to a type of scarring that can be mistaken for cancer upon initial diagnostic examination and testing.

I think some people have grown overly concerned or confused about inhaling PG or VG and it containing enough oil to assault the lung tissue and cause Lipid Pneumonia. Of course we don't want to inhale oily e-liquids.

JMO

I'd get a second opinion, follow through with the diagnostic testing, educate yourself about everything your health care professionals discuss with you ... find a doctor that you trust and who will find the right answers to questions you ask (and admit they don't know, if they don't know) and most of all, listen to your body and trust yourself to know when something is wrong.

Good Luck!! Sending good thoughts that everything turns out ok!!

 

[Connman]

Not sure if this one is related but another shortness of breath thread. Hope things get better for you and the chest x-rays turn out on the going to be fine once you ditch this cold kind of words from the doctors.

Other thread link.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../63966-anyone-else-have-shortness-breath.html

I myself followed this thread for a while but need to check to see if it went any further. Just figured it might be of some interest to you. I found it as they were selling all their stuff in clasifieds and stopping the e-cigs. Please keep us updated.

 

[maureengill]

A very simple study could be conducted over a six month period. 100 participants all with 20 years or more of at least one pack a day smoking history. A full pulmonary function test would be done on all in the study. The group would then be split into two groups of 50 each. Group one would continue smoking analogs while group two would be givin e-cigs. After six months repeat the PFT and compare the results. I would bet a considerable amount of money that group two's test results would show a dramatic improval in all areas. Any one got a million bucks not doing anything?

I wasn't worried about the million bucks...I was worried about the half that still have to smoke analogs...

Maureen

 

[beecee]

Last night I was a little too lazy to go get a different liquid from the other room while in bed but I had a bottle of Dekang sitting on my nightstand. I put some drops in my cart and started puffing away and I felt almost immediately different than I had with the PG/VG mixed tv liquid I had been using earlier. I felt like I couldn't inhale well, coughed a little and just didn't want to do it.

I don't know what that means but that's that. My mind automatically remembered this thread.

Maybe you're just having a reaction to the PG like many others (and obviously me)?

 

[chrisl317]

if you read my last post the past week i been having shortness of breath at night like right b4 i goto bed, i didnt kno if i was taking in too much nic or whats so i was worried i went to my doctors office my doctor ( a polish women) i told her that i smoke e-cigs and what they are she looked into it a lil and did some regular tests on me you kno, like my breathing chest lungs and stuff, now she said she hears crackling in my lungs and weezing . then started talking about the GLYCERIN in the e-cigs and how bad it is to inhale it and that the GLYCERIN cna enter your lungs when you inhale and turn to fat cells and clog your lungs, she told me if i dont quit smoking the e-cig i can be seriously ill and could get CHEMICAL PHNEMONIA from it...........what do i do??????? take this one docs word for it and quit or keep on goin.....plz help

If the doc didn't know and had to look them up then how much of an informed opinion of them can she have? Really, until you walked in, she'd probably never have even heard of them - time for a second opinion. Start a conversion with the next doc about e-cigs. If the doc has to run and look something up, don't go any further. If the doc can carry on a conversion with you, even though it might be a little sketchy, then I'd take their advice with a grain of salt.

 

[deitra]

When I vape PG I cough my head off and have to find the trusty inhalers. I ordered some PG/VG juice from madvapes last night because the PG/VG juice doesn't make me cough. A little side note my order is already on its way.