I love vaping but Keep It Simple Stupid doesn't apply to the e cig industry.

[Silent Scream]

I can't help thinking a lot more smokers would turn to vaping if it didn't scare the hell out of them when they looked into it.
It's all well and good saying there are starter kits and it's going to be really great once you get into it and understand everything but I think vaping is quite elitist in a way and all hobbyist activities promote elitism and you can see that everywhere you turn with e cigs.

Cigalikes work for a lot of people but for a lot more they feel stupid 'fake' smoking so they try them and they drop them. After that we all know what the next step is but there is so much choice and it's easy to imagine any smoker turning to vaping and feeling left out before they start with people talking about mods and provari's and a zillion brand names that mean nothing to anyone other than the vapers trying to get one up on 'lesser' vapers with their choice of vaping equipment.

Vaping is probably the least user friendly environment I have encountered in a very long time and that's coming from someone with a background in computers. Talking about ohms and coil heads and mods and voltages can you blame anyone for thinking ... I'll just go down the road and get some cigs.

Vaping needs to become more user friendly, fast. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for reading.

 

[flybykite]

I like getting into things personally. I was the kid who took apart all my toys to see how they worked. Modding is almost as much a thrill as vaping for me. I guess I'm like that though, I take everything I do to the limit.
You should check out kite surfing and all the talk with it. Makes e cig modding look easy.

 

[DetraMental]

I understand what you're saying Silent Scream. I find myself reading more and learning less alot of times because I'm not "there" yet or don't think I wanna be. I'm not a hobbiest, I'm an ex-smoker looking for support and just a good dependable set-up overall. I really watch for the new one's asking for help. All I can do is give them my story or support another poster who has given really good advice to the "op". How would you make it better for people?

 

[Rocketpunk]

It's really not that hard. A modicum of effort is all that's really needed. And a desire. If understanding an e-cig is taxing, maybe vaping isn't for you.

I can't help thinking a lot more smokers would turn to vaping if it didn't scare the hell out of them when they looked into it.
It's all well and good saying there are starter kits and it's going to be really great once you get into it and understand everything but I think vaping is quite elitist in a way and all hobbyist activities promote elitism and you can see that everywhere you turn with e cigs.

Cigalikes work for a lot of people but for a lot more they feel stupid 'fake' smoking so they try them and they drop them. After that we all know what the next step is but there is so much choice and it's easy to imagine any smoker turning to vaping and feeling left out before they start with people talking about mods and provari's and a zillion brand names that mean nothing to anyone other than the vapers trying to get one up on 'lesser' vapers with their choice of vaping equipment.

Vaping is probably the least user friendly environment I have encountered in a very long time and that's coming from someone with a background in computers. Talking about ohms and coil heads and mods and voltages can you blame anyone for thinking ... I'll just go down the road and get some cigs.

Vaping needs to become more user friendly, fast. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for reading.

 

[Burnie]

I can't help thinking a lot more smokers would turn to vaping if it didn't scare the hell out of them when they looked into it.
It's all well and good saying there are starter kits and it's going to be really great once you get into it and understand everything but I think vaping is quite elitist in a way and all hobbyist activities promote elitism and you can see that everywhere you turn with e cigs.

Cigalikes work for a lot of people but for a lot more they feel stupid 'fake' smoking so they try them and they drop them. After that we all know what the next step is but there is so much choice and it's easy to imagine any smoker turning to vaping and feeling left out before they start with people talking about mods and provari's and a zillion brand names that mean nothing to anyone other than the vapers trying to get one up on 'lesser' vapers with their choice of vaping equipment.

Vaping is probably the least user friendly environment I have encountered in a very long time and that's coming from someone with a background in computers. Talking about ohms and coil heads and mods and voltages can you blame anyone for thinking ... I'll just go down the road and get some cigs.

Vaping needs to become more user friendly, fast. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for reading.

I agree. The cig-a-likes are mostly crap, and too many choices. Someone try's several different POS cig-a-likes and then are turned off by it and will never try a good setup with good juice. Sucks but that is the way it is right now.

I like getting into things personally. I was the kid who took apart all my toys to see how they worked. Modding is almost as much a thrill as vaping for me. I guess I'm like that though, I take everything I do to the limit.
You should check out kite surfing and all the talk with it. Makes e cig modding look easy.

Everyone does not like to tinker, my DW for example. If I don't charge her batteries and load her juice, she would just go to the store and get a pack of stinkies, much easier for her, but I love her and want her to quit, so I do it. Most I think don't like the learning curve with vaping, smoking is easy, pull a cig out of the pack and light it, no thinking or work.

Vape On

 

[degnr8]

I see what you're saying silentscream. It's a tough line to walk though, we need to help our fellow questers in search of the elusive perfect vape without scaring off the newbs. I think it really comes down to paying attention to whose asking the question when you provide an answer. I remember a thread a while ago where a newbie started out by saying batteries confused them, they didn't understand what ohms were but wanted to know which cartos to get for her ego twist. The next 10 posts were ohms law explanations until I pointed out that with VV she could use any of them and just adjust the voltage to taste. Personally I tend to go the other way and frustrate experienced vapers by giving them simple .... and jane explanations.

 

[Papadragon]

The fact is the b@m will help you !! New vapers most likely have friend that can help them !!!I have been vaping for a year and a half .. And yes I'm one of those elite snobs your talking about !!! Vaping is not for every one !! Having a mech and a rba is not easy !!! But a ego and a clearo is not hard !! ps to op And thanks for kinda judge the elite vapors !! Let me one up you !!

 

[DetraMental]

Understanding an ecig is not "taxing". Finding the right one is or can be. Some people just need to be pointed in a good sound place to find something that'll work for them. It takes asking many more questions and giving many more detailed answers. Is this part taxing? Perhaps to some. Most members are kind enough to take the time and give thorough knowledgeable information to these inquiring posters. Hopefully it's exactly the set-up that works.

 

[pufZeppelin]

it's like training wheels; needed for short time, then they are gone...

I tell people what works, period

I know, I used, and the quality is there -- a good starter kit gets the job done
then they learn and can gain enuff 'know-how' to then ask questions (if they care enuff)

information overload deters newbies, so big believer in "Keep It Simple Stupid"

JMO

 

[BardicDruid]

I can't help thinking a lot more smokers would turn to vaping if it didn't scare the hell out of them when they looked into it.
It's all well and good saying there are starter kits and it's going to be really great once you get into it and understand everything but I think vaping is quite elitist in a way and all hobbyist activities promote elitism and you can see that everywhere you turn with e cigs.

Cigalikes work for a lot of people but for a lot more they feel stupid 'fake' smoking so they try them and they drop them. After that we all know what the next step is but there is so much choice and it's easy to imagine any smoker turning to vaping and feeling left out before they start with people talking about mods and provari's and a zillion brand names that mean nothing to anyone other than the vapers trying to get one up on 'lesser' vapers with their choice of vaping equipment.

Vaping is probably the least user friendly environment I have encountered in a very long time and that's coming from someone with a background in computers. Talking about ohms and coil heads and mods and voltages can you blame anyone for thinking ... I'll just go down the road and get some cigs.

Vaping needs to become more user friendly, fast. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for reading.

Vaping isn't really that user unfriendly, it's that a lot of people forget how they got to where they're at, I try to keep it simple and easy as possible. I still remember and have some of my first cig-a-likes, I may have moved on to mods but I still keep it simple myself. The one thing that makes me so angry are idiots recommending advanced user devices to newcomers, there's a good reason their labeled "Advanced User Devices". I only suggest starter kits with two batteries, and usually clearomizers that have replaceable heads and a few places to get eliquid. If I see a question by a newcomer about a starter kit, I answer it, without trying to get them in over they're head. I get so frustrated when blind idiots derail a newcomers thread with ignorant BS that they should start their own thread on, I do believe the problem is this forum has lost a lot of the courtesy it once had.

 

[TUC]

I receive questions all the time about "what the perfect ecig is"...there is none. What works for me, may not necessarily be right for you. It depends on what an individual's wants and needs are based on their "requirements" are.

Like most, I did NOT want to vape on anything larger than a analog size ecig...in the beginning. Because I WANTED to vape, I made the choice to step it up...if I truly wanted to be satisfied.

There are plenty of options for people, but the biggest hurdle is getting past the "size" requirement. For some, this is a deal breaker, so they bash ecigs in general. For others, it becomes the first step into another world, that they embrace.

There is an old, old saying..."you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". It's really up to the individual, as to how far they will ultimately pursue ecigs.

What is the Best Electronic Cigarette?

 

[tharper2202]

What exactly do you want us to do? Do some research and get a starter kit. Don't venture into the part of the forums that are for more advance users. It's like you want us to vape for the new people too. Sure it's not as easy as if a person wanted to start smoking where all they have to do is go buy a pack of cigarettes and light up. There are plenty of new user guides out there. It's not that hard to start vaping. People just don't want to put in the very small legwork to start.

 

[cramptholomew]

Vaping is the Linux if smoking. Cigalikes are Ubuntu. Ego's are Debian. Mods and rba's are Gentoo. The learning curve is steep.

 

[Iffy]

SS,

Gotta say that, IMHO, you're not the most encouraging 'glass half full' ECF member. Most of your posts are about doubt, issues and just generally having a lil' negative air to 'em.

Must agree with Rocketpunk.

As a grateful and now more healthy ex-smoker, it's difficult for me to imagine NOT going the extra step to simplify/aid/educate the 'bakky users to find a life extending and relatively less expensive/'easy' alternative .

Was just thinking today about the beyond 'me' personal 'rewards' in aiding the life quality of others. That's frackin' AWESOME!!!

Vaping is only as complicated and challenging as one wants to make it. If that's your bag, OK. But please don't forget that the main objective of vaping is to shed the 'bakky!

In my experience with my 45 v-verts thus far, to my knowledge, not one is an ECF member! Why? The very few of 'em that have visited here have been overwhelmed. Kinda like trying to take a sip of water from a fire hose! That's where you, I and the others here can be that 'glass half full' and provide simplified guidelines.

Also, we all must keep in mind that we can't v-vert anyone that really doesn't want to quit 'bakky! It 'hurts', but it's true.

Hopefully I haven't alienated you! I do hope you can, in part, appreciate my POV . I just have more hopes than doubts!

 

[Big Jimmy]

It can be very confusing fast, heck I am a mechanical engineer of over 21 years and I had a large learning curve at first! Vaping can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make it. Allot of people like to get into the technical side of things, and if you are chasing the ultimate flavor, vape, etc you have some learning to do. If you are happy with the cig a likes and it works.....awesome and keep it up. Add in the internet usual responses from some and I can see how you feel it can be eletest!

I always encourge people if they want to get off stinkies to try a disposible first. If they like that and want something better I will point them into something in there price range.

Technical questions (Ohm's law, etc) just ask me or one of nicer people here on ECF! Be Glad to help!

Jim

 

[Criticalmass]

I like getting into things personally. I was the kid who took apart all my toys to see how they worked. Modding is almost as much a thrill as vaping for me. I guess I'm like that though, I take everything I do to the limit.
You should check out kite surfing and all the talk with it. Makes e cig modding look easy.

Me too. I took apart all my toys and put them back together when I was a kid. drove my parents nuts. It took many years as an adult for me to realize though that most people just want "it" to work. Whatever "it" is.

The e-cig industry is monopolized by Chinese companies that find questionable QC and ease/convenience secondary priorities to making a quick buck. So yeah, it turns a lot of people off before they ever really have a chance to get into it.

When I first got into it, just shopping for coil head replacements was a pain because I wasn't sure what I needed. Then discovering that I should probably have a VV/VW device to help find the sweet spot for my liquids. Then having to clean the heads and tanks. Then having to spend hours and hours researching for products that have the features that I want and the minimum of QC issues with ease of use.

Yeah. The e-cig industry needs to get better as quickly as possible. Mostly, these Chinese owned companies need to start doing some real R&D before releasing new products all over the market that are crap. They need to start offering better than "DOA" warranties as well.


Just about everything is MADE in China these days, but companies like HP, Apple, Sony, Samsung, etc. have proven that it takes an outside source to regulate them so that they produce quality products. If we leave it up to the Chinese, everything we buy would be broken within 2 months because they have no concept and no pride in the products they create and they have no idea how much this is hurting them because they just... do... not... get it.

Companies like Innokin would do well to hire outside help to write their user manuals, test prototype products, suggest features / changes. etc. and start offering warranties on their products. I think Innokin took a big step forward with the MVP2, and then went backward with the VTR. You can have user-replaceable batteries AND an internal charging circuit so they only have to remove them when replacing them if they want. It's silly to have one or the other, why not both?

And what's with all the dang chrome anyway? I thought we did away with chromed everything in the 80's. lol. Why is it that just about everything these companies make is CHROME. what's up with that?

 

[wv2win]

I can't help thinking a lot more smokers would turn to vaping if it didn't scare the hell out of them when they looked into it.
It's all well and good saying there are starter kits and it's going to be really great once you get into it and understand everything but I think vaping is quite elitist in a way and all hobbyist activities promote elitism and you can see that everywhere you turn with e cigs.

Cigalikes work for a lot of people but for a lot more they feel stupid 'fake' smoking so they try them and they drop them. After that we all know what the next step is but there is so much choice and it's easy to imagine any smoker turning to vaping and feeling left out before they start with people talking about mods and provari's and a zillion brand names that mean nothing to anyone other than the vapers trying to get one up on 'lesser' vapers with their choice of vaping equipment.

Vaping is probably the least user friendly environment I have encountered in a very long time and that's coming from someone with a background in computers. Talking about ohms and coil heads and mods and voltages can you blame anyone for thinking ... I'll just go down the road and get some cigs.

Vaping needs to become more user friendly, fast. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for reading.

New industry invented in China. I'm sure many people said the same thing when the first automobiles came into society, or the sewing machine, etc. The bigger problem is too many people have become lazy and want someone else to do their thinking for them. It use to be new industries were invented in the US. But that requires hard work, intelligence, research and risk. As well as a government that doesn't promote the nanny state over innovation.

 

[TUC]

Bottom line...if you want to vape, you will...and nothing will stop you, period. BUT...you have to want to.

 

[degnr8]

It use to be new industries were invented in the US. But that requires hard work, intelligence, research and risk. As well as a government that doesn't promote the nanny state over innovation.

This is why even though we're still one of the wealthiest nations (for now) We now have a third world economy.

 

[DetraMental]

Good points all around....I love all the perspectives I didn't even think of. That's what this forum and all it's members are about! Learning and at times getting a thicker skin when one's views are questioned, it's mostly done so eloquently Happy Vaping