I quit vaping cold turkey 7 weeks ago. Didnt want to feel like a slave to nicotine. Anyone else....?

[AndriaD]

I don't let anyone see me vape. Other than my friends and family. My on-the-go rigs look so unlike a cig (box mod and tanks)--that i am always afraid that people will mistake it for something else...when my friends have asked me about it, i explain it in terms of the gas-station ecigs that i used to buy.

I've never been concerned in the slightest about "what other people think." My mother tried as hard as she could to make me care about that, and failed miserably. Life's just too short. Frankly I've never been totally convinced that other people "think" at all. They go round their wheels like rodents in cages; they jump to conclusions; they do "what other people do." None of which constitutes thinking.

Andria

 

[Annie56]

I've never been concerned in the slightest about "what other people think." My mother tried as hard as she could to make me care about that, and failed miserably. Life's just too short. Frankly I've never been totally convinced that other people "think" at all. They go round their wheels like rodents in cages; they jump to conclusions; they do "what other people do." None of which constitutes thinking.

Andria

Here's the thing--about where i live. I live on I-80. On a state line. It is a pipeline--road-wise--for iv drug use. We have a very serious problem here, in this area, with H. My colleague lost her son to this evil. In my quaint little mill town, i will typically pass about four local PD and a couple stateys on the way to work. Now--if they ever see my rigs--hell--i'll invite them to my workroom and put them in contact with my juice vendor--i have absolutely NO problem helping out the police and cooperating. But--commuting to work just tooting on my ecig--this is just not a conversation that i want to have--with the PD. Trust me on this--they have enough to do!!

 

[AndriaD]

Here's the thing--about where i live. I live on I-80. On a state line. It is a pipeline--road-wise--for iv drug use. We have a very serious problem here, in this area, with H. My colleague lost her son to this evil. In my quaint little mill town, i will typically pass about four local PD and a couple stateys on the way to work. Now--if they ever see my rigs--hell--i'll invite them to my workroom and put them in contact with my juice vendor--i have absolutely NO problem helping out the police and cooperating. But--commuting to work just tooting on my ecig--this is just not a conversation that i want to have--with the PD. Trust me on this--they have enough to do!!

And if no one ever has "that conversation" with them, they'll never learn about the modern world.

But I bet they're aware of vaping.

Andria

 

[englishmick]

Frankly I've never been totally convinced that other people "think" at all. They go round their wheels like rodents in cages; they jump to conclusions; they do "what other people do." None of which constitutes thinking.

Andria

This reminded me of something. A few months ago I found a science fiction short story on-line that I read when I was 10. It was the first SF I ever read and it got me onto a lifetime of reading SF. "They" by Heinlein.

If you are into SF you might enjoy it. Bit hard to read since it's a photocopy. It's about a guy who felt just like what you said above, and it turned out he was right.

"They" by Robert Heinlein, Unknown, April 1941 - UNZ.org

Bit off topic, but the original topic of this thread really needs to be got off.

 

[Lessifer]

Here's the thing--about where i live. I live on I-80. On a state line. It is a pipeline--road-wise--for iv drug use. We have a very serious problem here, in this area, with H. My colleague lost her son to this evil. In my quaint little mill town, i will typically pass about four local PD and a couple stateys on the way to work. Now--if they ever see my rigs--hell--i'll invite them to my workroom and put them in contact with my juice vendor--i have absolutely NO problem helping out the police and cooperating. But--commuting to work just tooting on my ecig--this is just not a conversation that i want to have--with the PD. Trust me on this--they have enough to do!!

How exactly does puffing on a box and exhaling a cloud equate to iv H use? I'm not seeing the connection.

 

[AndriaD]

This reminded me of something. A few months ago I found a science fiction short story on-line that I read when I was 10. It was the first SF I ever read and it got me onto a lifetime of reading SF. "They" by Heinlein.

If you are into SF you might enjoy it. Bit hard to read since it's a photocopy. It's about a guy who felt just like what you said above, and it turned out he was right.

"They" by Robert Heinlein, Unknown, April 1941 - UNZ.org

Bit off topic, but the original topic of this thread really needs to be got off.

Heinlein is one of my foremost heroes. I wouldn't say that my beliefs are too much like the protagonist's in that story, however; I think it has more to do with the very limited brainpower of "the average," who seem to be greatly afflicted with the "herd instinct," i.e., caring "what other people think" -- feeling a real *need* for the society of others, the friendship of others, the approval of others. I suffered that somewhat as a child, till I recognized that I was really nothing at all like 90%-95% of human beings, and would be much better served being who I am, even if that meant a fairly solitary existence, than in trying to conform to "the norm." In adulthood, everytime I've attempted to "fit in" to ANY social structure, the truth of this is repeated -- even in AA, among other misfits who've tried to medicate their loneliness with alcohol -- I really don't fit. Thank god I found a mate who shares this "peculiarity" with me, who is perfectly happy to let me be who I am, and who also feels blessed to have found a mate who is happy to let him be who HE is. But even in that mated happiness, if we spend too much time together, we bicker.

I can join in with online "social groups," such as this one, simply because I can, at any time, turn it off -- go read a book, or do whatever suits me, rather than being forced to remain in contact with those who really do not and never will "get me." I find this particular forum more to my liking than a great many have been, because so many of the members here were like me, fastened firmly to a habit that actually gave them something they needed, despite the risk to their health and all the yammering of "public health" and their own doctors, who have now found a way to free themselves from that habit yet retain so much of whatever it was they got from their prior habit. Yet we're still being yammered at endlessly by the terminally clueless and morbidly controlling.

It's not really surprising that so many of us have taken steps to remain independent of whatever idiocy the gov't sees fit to try and inflict on us -- we have felt independent of the gov't's approval for many years already, by virtue of that habit; we now have zero reason to conform, and every reason to go on with our new habit.

Andria

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Short answer....no
long answer.....nope.

 

[englishmick]

Heinlein is one of my foremost heroes. I wouldn't say that my beliefs are too much like the protagonist's in that story, however; I think it has more to do with the very limited brainpower of "the average," who seem to be greatly afflicted with the "herd instinct," i.e., caring "what other people think" -- feeling a real *need* for the society of others, the friendship of others, the approval of others. I suffered that somewhat as a child, till I recognized that I was really nothing at all like 90%-95% of human beings, and would be much better served being who I am, even if that meant a fairly solitary existence, than in trying to conform to "the norm." In adulthood, everytime I've attempted to "fit in" to ANY social structure, the truth of this is repeated -- even in AA, among other misfits who've tried to medicate their loneliness with alcohol -- I really don't fit. Thank god I found a mate who shares this "peculiarity" with me, who is perfectly happy to let me be who I am, and who also feels blessed to have found a mate who is happy to let him be who HE is. But even in that mated happiness, if we spend too much time together, we bicker.

I can join in with online "social groups," such as this one, simply because I can, at any time, turn it off -- go read a book, or do whatever suits me, rather than being forced to remain in contact with those who really do not and never will "get me." I find this particular forum more to my liking than a great many have been, because so many of the members here were like me, fastened firmly to a habit that actually gave them something they needed, despite the risk to their health and all the yammering of "public health" and their own doctors, who have now found a way to free themselves from that habit yet retain so much of whatever it was they got from their prior habit. Yet we're still being yammered at endlessly by the terminally clueless and morbidly controlling.

It's not really surprising that so many of us have taken steps to remain independent of whatever idiocy the gov't sees fit to try and inflict on us -- we have felt independent of the gov't's approval for many years already, by virtue of that habit; we now have zero reason to conform, and every reason to go on with our new habit.

Andria

This all made sense to me Andria. I have a feeling that a lot of the folks on this forum are located in a pretty high percentile when it comes to non herd-following tendencies. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. Storing bottles of nic in our freezers and so forth.

cheers

 

[DC2]

I really don't fit. Thank god I found a mate who shares this "peculiarity" with me, who is perfectly happy to let me be who I am, and who also feels blessed to have found a mate who is happy to let him be who HE is.

I married someone entirely sensible.
Best thing I ever did.

Thankfully, for the last 18 years, there have been two of us facing this madness together.
Because the world, for me, is a somewhat of a stranger.

I was a jock who hated jocks.
I was a stoner who realized stoners were losers.
I was a "brain" who didn't act like one.
I was all of that and none of that.

(Queue Breakfast Club soundtrack)

Finding someone that "gets you" is beyond priceless.
And today is her birthday.

I'm glad I made sure to get her flowers and let her know how much she means to me.

 

[AndriaD]

This all made sense to me Andria. I have a feeling that a lot of the folks on this forum are located in a pretty high percentile when it comes to non herd-following tendencies. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. Storing bottles of nic in our freezers and so forth.

cheers

So very true. And I would even venture to guess that a great many stockpilers, like me, don't feel a huge dependence on nicotine any longer, if in fact we ever did -- we may have *thought* it was nicotine, but vaping has shown us that it was actually a lot of other chemicals in cigarettes that held us so firmly addicted, rather than nicotine -- but we've come to learn that nicotine actually holds a lot of benefits, particularly for those, like so many of us, who are advancing in years; and we also just plain won't abide any meddling with our personal choices -- I bet I'm not the only one who smoked for years partly just to SPITE all those nannies! And still feel a bit of that urge, though I refuse to cut off my own nose to spite THEIR faces.

But, thanks to 2 liters of nicotine, I will continue to vape nicotine -- or not -- AS SUITS ME. Not the gov't, not the nannies, not the meddling control-freaks. *I* know what's best for me -- they can sweep around their own back porches; if I find them around mine, they'll be escorted away, with extreme prejudice!

Andria

 

[Annie56]

How exactly does puffing on a box and exhaling a cloud equate to iv H use? I'm not seeing the connection.

Read what you wrote. But imagine that you are a state highway patrolman, watching me puff on my box. In my car.

 

[Lessifer]

Read what you wrote. But imagine that you are a state highway patrolman, watching me puff on my box. In my car.

If you had said "inject insulin" I would get the connection. If anything, they would confuse you with smoking, tobacco or "other stuff," but that's not what you said the major concern is in your area. It's hard for me to imagine that any law enforcement officer, even in the most remote backwoods, has not heard of e-cigs by now.

You are of course free to vape however you choose, I just don't think skulking around in the shadows helps us at all.

 

[Annie56]

And if no one ever has "that conversation" with them, they'll never learn about the modern world.

But I bet they're aware of vaping.

Andria

I would imagine that the pd is prolly aware of vaping, at least in the form of cigalikes. Maybe even some of the ce tank systems now being sold in places like our truck stops. My border town has three of these truck stops. I'm totally not exaggerating the police presence around here. And it has been like this since i moved back to this town 11 yrs ago. And they will pull you over for everything. Why i still kinda stealth it when i commute, which seems to be always. Just not a conversation that i want to have at 0530 with an officer with a badge and a gun

 

[bobwho77]

It wasn't my intention to quit smoking, when I started vaping. It just kind of happened. About two weeks after I got my first eGo kit, I realized that I hadn't smoked a cigarette since the second day. I was a heavy smoker of unfiltered cigarettes, and when I asked about nicotine strength, the sales clerk recommended 24mg.
I've upgraded the equipment since then, but 2+ years later I'm STILL vaping 24mg.
Why not? Compared to some of the other bad habits I've had nicotine is fairly benign. (Safe enough that other forms of NRT (patches, gum, lozenges) are sold over the counter) Recent studies are finding evidence that nicotine may be of some benefit against Parkinsons Disease. It's been shown to aid cognitive function with Alzheimers patients, and have some effect for certain kinds of mental illness (including the bi-polar disorder that I've suffered from since childhood)
So if I can get my nicotine, with almost none of the drawbacks of smoking traditional cigarettes, and in a way that I can enjoy, unless other health problems preclude it...
Why not?

 

[Annie56]

If you had said "inject insulin" I would get the connection. If anything, they would confuse you with smoking, tobacco or "other stuff," but that's not what you said the major concern is in your area. It's hard for me to imagine that any law enforcement officer, even in the most remote backwoods, has not heard of e-cigs by now.

You are of course free to vape however you choose, I just don't think skulking around in the shadows helps us at all.

Because the drug problem is so bad around here that robbery has increased. And city and state patrols will pull you over for everything. They are looking for people that are moving and dealing the aforementioned 'stuff'. I worked graveyard in tox. And i actually got pulled over, 'just bscuzz..' and then showed up to work and had to obtain a legal etoh from a suspect in cuffs. That is how assinine my life really is