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I refuse to buy clones or fakes. Anyone else?
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Unfortunately, it's is part of how this discussion is... discussed.
I picked up some cheapo's CE4 knockoffs at the flea market and waisted my money. The coil heads are not interchangeable and the quality sucked. There are good affordable products out there that are name brand and will last. The joytech eGo-c batteries are awesome and have been working great for the last 9 months and going strong. tanks are all about the same price. I use and like the kangertech EVOD, vivi nova, and redux tanks and splurged on a protank a few months ago. Like anything else, you get what you pay for and often times will spend more on the knockoffs in replacements then if you saved and purchase a good product.
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I still don't see discussing Chinese capitalist and American capitalist economics as the racist card you are playing.
not worth discussing any more.
That simply is not true, just because you made a flea-market purchase. Before I knew better, I gave almost $14 for an Evods from a B&M. The 3 Evods I have direct from China are exactly the same, but costed me $2.65 each, so I can't understand how people keep saying there is no big price difference. Did I have to rinse them out? Yes. Was it worth the $36 I saved on three items? YES
I respect others decisions, but the "you spend more in the long run" argument is kind of ridiculous.
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No, you don't get what you PAY for. You get what you PURCHASE. Paying any specific sum of money has NO bearing on the quality or lack of it of whatever it was that you bought.
If we do our due diligence, our market research, and do our own calculations of what the value or worth of an object is for us personally, we'll make intelligent, satisfactory purchases.
It's not just economics, it's psychology. We all know that, it's nothing new. All marketers play on your self-image...that's how they sell to you. So, you play along or you don't. You want to appear patriotic (or xenophobic,
) ? They'll play on your "Proudly Made in the XXXX" point. You want to appear cool, rich and above us all? They'll play on price points and exclusivity.Me? I just want to vape in peace and quiet, with stuff I like and money left over to do other things with.
No, you don't get what you PAY for. You get what you PURCHASE. Paying any specific sum of money has NO bearing on the quality or lack of it of whatever it was that you bought.
If we do our due diligence, our market research, and do our own calculations of what the value or worth of an object is for us personally, we'll make intelligent, satisfactory purchases.
It's not just economics, it's psychology. We all know that, it's nothing new. All marketers play on your self-image...that's how they sell to you. So, you play along or you don't. You want to appear patriotic (or xenophobic,
Me? I just want to vape in peace and quiet, with stuff I like and money left over to do other things with.
Excellent post!!
I buy what works for me, If the overall functionability of it is what I am looking for I buy it. I don't care much how it looks so all this crap about It looks too much like that (must be clone) gets old. There will be copies and that is that (suck it up) and buy what works for you.
CE4s are great for what they are, a dirt cheap throw away device. Buy them for $1 each direct from China, use them for a week or two and you have a perfectly cheap semi disposable system at near enough the same price as a Protank head. Buy them for $6 each from a B&M and you have a less satisfactory experience.
Same product different values.
Maggie; the voice of reason. It's not often I hand out these, but you've definitely deserved one:
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[Little old lady trips on her soap box, blushes and curtsies] Thank you, thank you, kind sir!
[Little old lady trips on her soap box, blushes and curtsies] Thank you, thank you, kind sir!
Lets not forget China CAN produce these items for next to nothing compared to the U.S The average income for someone in China is roughly between $150 and $250 per month. Hong Kong is one of the exceptions at just under $700 mo. Americans get paid more. The cost of running a business here is ridiculous. Benefits for workers are terribly high, payroll taxes, insurance costs, advertising, the list goes on and on.... For those who have forget , that's why so many business have left here. So I strongly disagree, that Americans are price gouging. The cost of doing business is astronomical in the U.S. Therefore the higher prices!
Benefits? Taxes? You might want to look at the management costs of these businesses. The only companies that have issues with too many benefits are government run or unionized. Most of the price gouging (which is what it is) is due to the owners and upper management wanting to rake in enough cash to start a different project. I'll tell you, they aren't paying their lowly packing workers and inventory makers a ton because they make so much profit. Probably a bunch of 19yo kids being payed $8 an hour.
Also I wonder how many of these American companies share your loyalty when they're sourcing all the parts they need to make these mods. My bet is damn near 100% of them buy their steel from china as most steel made in the US today is used in military applications. There only 3 or 4 blast furnaces still in operation in the entire USA. What would you say when you found out these companies are sourcing all their materials from other countries when they could source them here?
This, and it's a national tragedy that this is so. There is nothing wrong with Buying American, and in fact if you can afford it, I say do it, but for so many Americans whose standard of living isn't what it should be, and whose wages have been undercut by years of corporate malfeasance ... direct China sourcing is a way to actually leverage the same force that made them poorer.
This is my experience in buying low quality products. I only paid a dollar more for my EVOD's and i didn't get them at a B&M. My point being is that the knock off was cheaper in quality but the same price as the real deal. Lessons learned make for better decisions later.
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No, you don't get what you PAY for. You get what you PURCHASE. Paying any specific sum of money has NO bearing on the quality or lack of it of whatever it was that you bought.
If we do our due diligence, our market research, and do our own calculations of what the value or worth of an object is for us personally, we'll make intelligent, satisfactory purchases.
It's not just economics, it's psychology. We all know that, it's nothing new. All marketers play on your self-image...that's how they sell to you. So, you play along or you don't. You want to appear patriotic (or xenophobic,
Me? I just want to vape in peace and quiet, with stuff I like and money left over to do other things with.
MaggieMW, Apparently there is a culture difference with my statement "You get what you pay for" for those who get what I'm saying that's great but IDK what you got out of my post that suggests that I'm flying my countries flag higher then anyone else's. I did the math on purchasing knockoffs and if I pay one US $ for a knockoff and it only lasted a week then I would be spending 4 bucks (dollars) a month for the same tank I purchased for 4 bucks from the original manufacturer where by that same higher quality tank has lasted me for 4 months. Bingo dude. I saved $12 dollars by paying the extra 2 bucks for the real deal right from the beginning.
So...no body is playing me for a fool just to purchase something because it has a made in the USA label on it. None of the products are made in the US, they are all made in china. HELLO. The difference is that I prefer to purchase on my own accord a product that isn't junk in the first place, and if I choose to support my local businesses directly instead of sending my money to another country then that is my prerogative as well.
I doubt there is a cultural difference in my understanding of the expression "you get what you pay for", since I am also a native English speaker and uh, an economist [something I try to deny in polite company, but that's my life
].What I am contesting is the "thought-stopping cliche" which is what "you get what you pay for" actually is. It stops us from actually thinking because everyone thinks it is a true statement. It is not. It's an old wives' tale.
"You get what you purchase" is far more meaningful, realistic and useful because it makes us actually think.
Your story about your purchase is really an illustration of what I mean. You have defined a number of criteria for your purchases, and you evaluate an item and buy it according to your criteria. So you ARE getting what you've PURCHASED.
The actual price you are paying is incidental, irrelevant, essentially meaningless. It depends on so many factors that have nothing to do with the item's function or manufacture. You've got all sorts of stuff mixed up with price: monetary factors like taxes, MSP, overhead and profit margins, supply criteria such as rarity or market flooding, psychological factors like economic patriotism and elitism...
The actual price you are forking out could be a lot less than other products of the same category, or a lot more, or the same. The actual price in dollars, bucks, greenbacks, bottles of whiskey, kittens, or whatever you're trading, is just a number. It's just what you are willing to give over for the thing.
Something with a higher price is NOT necessarily better quality/value/worth, something with a lower price is NOT necessarily lesser. "You get what you pay for" always implies that inexpensive = not as good. And is a way of dissing lower-priced stuff automatically.
You were not being personally attacked when I wrote about the psychological criteria that we sometimes put into our purchase choices. It is a factor in some people's reasoning.
As long as you have decided what criteria are important to you, whatever they are, and what number of dollars you are willing to exchange for your item, you're good.
Just your criteria may not be the same as mine...
This one line right here is what I have issue with. Yes, I smoked mostly roll your own which I spent about $20 a month on, where I had lived in MO I could buy a carton of cheap cigs for $22.50 (including tax).
I am not the only vaper who didn't spend $200+ a month on smoking, and many vapers switched to vaping because due to many reasons including losing their jobs could no longer afford to pay high dollar for cigs. Just because some can afford higher end stuff does not automatically mean everyone who smoked can.
I have been lucky and thankfully have very good mods to use, such as the Provari, Empire, iHybrid. But they where not because I can afford to spend hundreds of dollars on mods.
I shop for the best price on what I'm looking for. I looked for an RBA and found prices on the exact same RBA in the range of $25 to $35. They were the same, just 2 different suppliers with 2 different prices. It pays to shop around.
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