if i wasn't sitting down i would bow to you and if i had a hat on i would lift it for you at the same time
CLAP CLAP CLAP ENCORE ENCORE!!!!
I refuse to buy clones or fakes. Anyone else?
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if i wasn't sitting down i would bow to you and if i had a hat on i would lift it for you at the same time
CLAP CLAP CLAP ENCORE ENCORE!!!!
I just got back from Walmart where I bought some Claratin clones. You know, the kind that says Equate on the box right next to where it says compare to Claratin?
I also got some Great Value Lays potato chip clones too.
Do I feel bad for Claratin and Lays corporation? Not in the least....
I also got some Great Value Lays potato chip clones too.
Do I feel bad for Claratin and Lays corporation? Not in the least....
Your certainly not going to get quality from FT thats a given well most things so your saying everyone who can not afford the quality product deserves to buy crap?
Your advocating what you are arguing aginst. Yes I said if you cant afford something you should not have this includes me. If I cant earn or save the money to buy something then yes its kind of how life goes. I do not have the right to go buy something at someone elses expense. I have a little more class and respect for my self and those around than to think just because I want something I should have it at any cost.
If anyone you included think your supposed to have anything other than what you can earn then yes I say that's an entitled attitude if that makes me an elitist then so be it.
Who defines what any person DESERVES? I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad that anyone in this country could hold such an absurd view of the world economy.
Well, it looks as though my Ithaka and Chi-You could arrive on the same day (clones of course). So, with no loss in performance mind you (according to popular opinion), the set-up will have costed me $62. That will leave me with roughly $450-$550 to spend on my daughters instead of a brand. I just hope I can sleep at night!
If ideas were the sole property of originators, we would be selling kidnies for antibiotics, eye glasses, etc....
If ideas were the sole property of originators, we would be selling kidnies for antibiotics, eye glasses, etc....
Who decides what the value of someone elses property is? I guess you are the setter of worth for us all I gather from what youve posted.
You sure seem to throw alot of other things in to the mix other than what we are talking about, auto industry, world economy so on and so fourth.
Ive been all over the world and I know how people live some kind of like us, some dirt poor, even some a little better than us. I still dont see how that is suposed to show me how its good to copy, clone and fake another persons design. Your good at making alot of useless points and acting like Im the devil but you have yet made a valid point as to why I should change my views.
Here I go again...
"Price" is not a synonym for "value". It is also not a synonym for "worth." "Price" is defined by the seller (with market variables in play), "value" and "worth" are defined by the buyer. It is not because I paid a low price, or a high price, that I got an item of lesser or greater value. I paid $45 for my MVP, you paid $95. Mine is not of lesser value because I paid half the price you did.
FT is a re-seller, not a producer or a manufacturer. It brings together a bunch of products from a variety of manufacturers, puts a price on them, and you buy them or not if they fit your purchase-profile. The products are "worth" what YOU the buyer think they are "worth." If it is "worth" it to you for any reason to buy from a re-seller in North America or in the deepest nether regions of Siberia, that's YOUR judgement call.
If you want a specific little metal tube with a specific little logo and a specific manufacturer that you purchase from a specific re-seller at the end of your specific geographically-defined supply chain, do that if it makes you happy.
and keeps you off cigarettes.
Little old lady goes back to her coffee.
"Price" is not a synonym for "value". It is also not a synonym for "worth." "Price" is defined by the seller (with market variables in play), "value" and "worth" are defined by the buyer. It is not because I paid a low price, or a high price, that I got an item of lesser or greater value. I paid $45 for my MVP, you paid $95. Mine is not of lesser value because I paid half the price you did.
FT is a re-seller, not a producer or a manufacturer. It brings together a bunch of products from a variety of manufacturers, puts a price on them, and you buy them or not if they fit your purchase-profile. The products are "worth" what YOU the buyer think they are "worth." If it is "worth" it to you for any reason to buy from a re-seller in North America or in the deepest nether regions of Siberia, that's YOUR judgement call.
If you want a specific little metal tube with a specific little logo and a specific manufacturer that you purchase from a specific re-seller at the end of your specific geographically-defined supply chain, do that if it makes you happy.
and keeps you off cigarettes.Little old lady goes back to her coffee.
An idea is not PROPERTY unless it's patented, which NONE of the designs you claim the chinese "stole" are. Maybe between your many trips all over the world visiting poor people and opining on their state of squalor you should've done some reading on intellectual property rights. The fact is the designers of these products had all the time in the world to patent their ideas but didn't, therefore their ideas are no more property than the idea to make an electric motor, a battery, or a car. In the same way that you are free to build a replica of a Shelby GT500 (which actually was patented) and sell it as a "Shellby GT500" , these chinese companies are free to make functional replicas of what is basically a metal cilinder with holes. It's very much up for debate whether any of these devices would even qualify for a patent...
Beyond that, it's a free country. People should be able to buy what they want and use it. I would think somewhere within your love of everything american you could understand that very american sentiment.
(Relatively) Free enterprise.
Buying whatever one wants from wherever one wants.
I am not going to continue to smoke stinkys because someone else thinks that if I can't afford, say, an Empire mod then I shouldn't buy a clone either.
I spend 99.9/10s of what I earn in America because I live here.
My buying a clone isn't going to kill anybody.
All these places that make originals so far I have not seen go out of business.
If anything once a person has a clone, they just may want the real thing and put away the cash to buy it.
Obviously a lot of people do not see the hidden costs.
You pay more income taxes because Americans have fewer higher paying jobs than they used to.
You can complain all you want to about government wasting money, and how we are not really respresented any more. But the government also has less money per capita to spend, because we a making less money than we used to. They do waste money by the way.
Do you realize how many hidden fees or specialty taxes you pay on a daily basis. Gasoline taxes, utility taxes, higher education fees, higher education costs, tire recycling fees, higher sales taxes, higher income taxes, higher social security taxes, higher medicare taxes, taxes on your social security(and you aren't even going to get back what you put in), hotel taxes, event taxes, sewer taxes, recyling taxes, higher construction permit fees, water infrastructure taxes, natural gas infrastructure fees, all those extra fees on your phone bills, etc..
Some other hidden costs. Two people having to work, because as a percentage, household income is lower now than it was in the 1950s and 60s. So as a percentage of disposable income, two people working today, make less than one person working back then. Because two people have to work, you have added costs for day care, after school care, nannies, maids, gardeners, fast food dining(no one has time to make dinner), two cars, more gas, more parking costs, crowded streets and freeways(so more cost to build new roads), more time spent on the road, to go to and from work, higher auto insurance costs due to driving more and more accidents, etc.
You add all these costs to the cost of a item bought directly from another country, or not buying made the USA, and then let me know how much you are saving. In the long run, you aren't saving a dime.
Rant over.
Greg W.
You pay more income taxes because Americans have fewer higher paying jobs than they used to.
You can complain all you want to about government wasting money, and how we are not really respresented any more. But the government also has less money per capita to spend, because we a making less money than we used to. They do waste money by the way.
Do you realize how many hidden fees or specialty taxes you pay on a daily basis. Gasoline taxes, utility taxes, higher education fees, higher education costs, tire recycling fees, higher sales taxes, higher income taxes, higher social security taxes, higher medicare taxes, taxes on your social security(and you aren't even going to get back what you put in), hotel taxes, event taxes, sewer taxes, recyling taxes, higher construction permit fees, water infrastructure taxes, natural gas infrastructure fees, all those extra fees on your phone bills, etc..
Some other hidden costs. Two people having to work, because as a percentage, household income is lower now than it was in the 1950s and 60s. So as a percentage of disposable income, two people working today, make less than one person working back then. Because two people have to work, you have added costs for day care, after school care, nannies, maids, gardeners, fast food dining(no one has time to make dinner), two cars, more gas, more parking costs, crowded streets and freeways(so more cost to build new roads), more time spent on the road, to go to and from work, higher auto insurance costs due to driving more and more accidents, etc.
You add all these costs to the cost of a item bought directly from another country, or not buying made the USA, and then let me know how much you are saving. In the long run, you aren't saving a dime.
Rant over.
Greg W.
One, a chinese man invented the e cigarette as we know it.
Two, nobody is impressed.
Insert my usual matrix architect response meme here
Two, nobody is impressed.
Insert my usual matrix architect response meme here
Sometimes I wonder how it's like for a Chinese to read these boards... so much flat-out racism and "everything that comes from China is garbage".
Agreed... I'll buy a clone (don't have any currently) if I can't/won't/refuse to pay for an original. The official maker can't lose money they never had a chance to get in the first place.
I'm not going to judge people on how they spend their own money.
The only issue I have with clones is if resellers are passing them off as original to make a killer profit.
like it or not the usa has a long history of inventing things, and dropping the ball loosing their market to japan and china. been going on for decades. there is a market for it, and their filling it. can u blame them. lets see someone in the usa fill the market with cheaper items that work like they should! we just arnt able to do it. were to greedy.
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SORRY I don't get he racism part.. it's not part of this discussion..
I am kinda new to vaping - 1 month in. I am always on the lookout for American (MADE in the U.S.) vaping products. I find there is little to choose from, but I will find them eventually. So as I foray into this mecca, it all seems so Chinese to me. 
I don't think it's quite right to attribute inventiveness to a certain nationality or stealing inventions to another. The human race has a long history of inventing things... and stealing ideas.
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