Introducing the NEW VISION NANO CLEAROMIZER - Excellent Performing 1ml slim Bottom Coil 1.8ohm 510 Clearomizer - Extremely easy, no invert, no syringe

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tank and a half down....
so far- consistent, but not terribly satisfying for me. there could be a multitude of reasons though.
Could be the juice (i haven't enjoyed it much in my usual setup anyway).
Could be i did something wrong with filling/wicking/scorching I let it sit about 6 minutes and it definitely tasted a little burny at the beginning and once or twice since then.
Or maybe I'm just too spoiled by the lung punch of low res dual coils.
I really need a variable voltage device :(
 

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These are great Doc hang with them--it takes a few fills to prime it up good. Also the Nanos we have in now are 1.8 so on a fully charged battery you may be at 4.2v which is right at the edge...

Get yourself a Joyetech Easy Head and a evic FaceLift and you can vape that at 3.3v regulated PLUS the unregulated...then if you do decide to go to VV/VW you can then just pick up the control head for the eVic.


tank and a half down....
so far- consistent, but not terribly satisfying for me. there could be a multitude of reasons though.
Could be the juice (i haven't enjoyed it much in my usual setup anyway).
Could be i did something wrong with filling/wicking/scorching I let it sit about 6 minutes and it definitely tasted a little burny at the beginning and once or twice since then.
Or maybe I'm just too spoiled by the lung punch of low res dual coils.
I really need a variable voltage device :(
 

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Speaking in just general terms about e-liquids and other things that affect the way they vape... especially since I've not had either brand of e-liquid


While PG is generally thinner than VG... that is about all that can be said about them, the key term is "in gerneral'. The qualities found in any one brand of PG liquid or VG liquid can differ considerably... They have different amounts of pureness, different viscosities ( similar to what you would see in say motor oil ) and even the taste can differ across the different ones. Many companies will also add either distilled water or an alcohol to the e-liquid to reach a desired viscosity. So looking at just the viscosity of an e-liquid, one company's 80PG/20VG can be thicker or thinner than another one's. Therefore while looking at what the PG/VG ratio is will give an idea of the general thickness... it isn't an exact indicator since other factors actually exist.

Like viscosity... we can also generalize that the more VG an e-liquid has, the thicker the vapor... again we must generalize and this alone isn't an exact indicator but it is all we have to look at since we can't try out and test all brands/mixes of e-liquid.

How that e-liquid wicks to the coils in the vaporizer can also affect how much vapor is produced. With thinner e-liquids, we may get a lot of e-liquid at the coils, the coils then won't be able to heat up as much ( because they are cooled down too much by the e-liquid ) which could result in less vapor production. On the other hand, too little e-liquid getting to the coils can have a similar effect on the vapor production but it also usually results in what we call a dry-burn.

The amount of voltage or power going to the coils can have a significant impact on how much vapor is produced. A small 510 or 808 stick battery and many of the eGo batteries only put out 3.3v which isn't a lot and can result in a lower vapor production. The reason they use such a low voltage though is so they can keep the output regulated the same all the way down until the battery is depleted. Still, this is also why so many switch to a variable voltage/wattage MOD in order to increase the voltage/power in order to get more flavor and vapor. At this time, while a smaller battery is certainly more convenient ( which is why I still use them at certain times )... they will also never be able to provide more voltage/power so they have their drawbacks.

The next part is where things get a little more complex. Still,it's another factor we must consider ( and few do ), it is the amount of surface area that the coil has... a coil using a thin gauge wire and one using a larger gauge wire can both be made to have the same ohm's resistance... but because the larger gauge wire will have more surface area... it can produce more vapor across that area than the smaller gauge wire. In addition, that smaller gauge wire also gets hotter in any one spot than the larger gauge does... so the smaller gauge wire can, in certain cases, burn the e-liquid quicker at a lower voltage/power output because any one spot on the coil is at a higher temperature than the larger gauge wire.

Finally... Just when you first start vaping on a coil... when it's still the coldest it can be... it won't produce as much vapor as it will later after it's had time to warm up. So the more you vape, the better the amount of flavor and vapor you should get as long as the amount of e-liquid that is being wicked is just the right amount... In short, most of the vaporizers will start off a bit weak and then they will get better as you vape on them.
 
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Speaking in just general terms about e-liquids and other things that affect the way they vape... especially since I've not had either brand of e-liquid


While PG is generally thinner than VG... that is about all that can be said about them, the key term is "in gerneral'. The qualities found in any one brand of PG liquid or VG liquid can differ considerably... They have different amounts of pureness, different viscosities ( similar to what you would see in say motor oil ) and even the taste can differ across the different ones. Many companies will also add either distilled water or an alcohol to the e-liquid to reach a desired viscosity. So looking at just the viscosity of an e-liquid, one company's 80PG/20VG can be thicker or thinner than another one's. Therefore while looking at what the PG/VG ratio is will give an idea of the general thickness... it isn't an exact indicator since other factors actually exist.

Like viscosity... we can also generalize that the more VG an e-liquid has, the thicker the vapor... again we must generalize and this alone isn't an exact indicator but it is all we have to look at since we can't try out and test all brands/mixes of e-liquid.

How that e-liquid wicks to the coils in the vaporizer can also affect how much vapor is produced. With thinner e-liquids, we may get a lot of e-liquid at the coils, the coils then won't be able to heat up as much ( because they are cooled down too much by the e-liquid ) which could result in less vapor production. On the other hand, too little e-liquid getting to the coils can have a similar effect on the vapor production but it also usually results in what we call a dry-burn.

The amount of voltage or power going to the coils can have a significant impact on how much vapor is produced. A small 510 or 808 stick battery and many of the eGo batteries only put out 3.3v which isn't a lot and can result in a lower vapor production. The reason they use such a low voltage though is so they can keep the output regulated the same all the way down until the battery is depleted. Still, this is also why so many switch to a variable voltage/wattage MOD in order to increase the voltage/power in order to get more flavor and vapor. At this time, while a smaller battery is certainly more convenient ( which is why I still use them at certain times )... they will also never be able to provide more voltage/power so they have their drawbacks.

The next part is where things get a little more complex. Still,it's another factor we must consider ( and few do ), it is the amount of surface area that the coil has... a coil using a thin gauge wire and one using a larger gauge wire can both be made to have the same ohm's resistance... but because the larger gauge wire will have more surface area... it can produce more vapor across that area than the smaller gauge wire. In addition, that smaller gauge wire also gets hotter in any one spot than the larger gauge does... so the smaller gauge wire can, in certain cases, burn the e-liquid quicker at a lower voltage/power output because any one spot on the coil is at a higher temperature than the larger gauge wire.

Finally... Just when you first start vaping on a coil... when it's still the coldest it can be... it won't produce as much vapor as it will later after it's had time to warm up. So the more you vape, the better the amount of flavor and vapor you should get as long as the amount of e-liquid that is being wicked is just the right amount... In short, most of the vaporizers will start off a bit weak and then they will get better as you vape on them.

excellent write up rdosk, great info there
 

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Unfortunately i can not recommend this clearo. I used 4 of them in a week. First one leaked because the ring at the bottom got loose with the tank after 2 days. It gave me a lot of vape, throat hit and taste though and a pop sound with some crackle everytime i fire up (using 510 manual batteries). Second one was like vaping air. No hit at all, got a lot of vape but no throat hit and almost no taste at all when using the same liquid as the first one (no pop & crackle sound though)

Third one worked like the first one, very good for a while but after 2,5 days and 2 fills it just stopped giving me a good throat hit, i did get a pop & crackle sound.

Opened up a fourth and that one was exact the same as the second one. No taste, no throat hit but a lot of vape. Just like the second one no pop sound. All i hear is flowing air/vape. It's just like vaping air.

Not to mention the leaking after filling for everyone of them. I can't believe it is an isolated incident after using 4 of them.

Yes i did soak them in for at least a few minutes for all of them. They are too inconsistent for me. I can not rely on them, using everyone of them is like a lottery

Maybe it's just me and i am doing something wrong ....
 

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Unfortunately i can not recommend this clearo. I used 4 of them in a week. First one leaked because the ring at the bottom got loose with the tank after 2 days. It gave me a lot of vape, throat hit and taste though and a pop sound with some crackle everytime i fire up (using 510 manual batteries). Second one was like vaping air. No hit at all, got a lot of vape but no throat hit and almost no taste at all when using the same liquid as the first one (no pop & crackle sound though)

Third one worked like the first one, very good for a while but after 2,5 days and 2 fills it just stopped giving me a good throat hit, i did get a pop & crackle sound.

Opened up a fourth and that one was exact the same as the second one. No taste, no throat hit but a lot of vape. Just like the second one no pop sound. All i hear is flowing air/vape. It's just like vaping air.

Not to mention the leaking after filling for everyone of them. I can't believe it is an isolated incident after using 4 of them.

Yes i did soak them in for at least a few minutes for all of them. They are too inconsistent for me. I can not rely on them, using everyone of them is like a lottery

Maybe it's just me and i am doing something wrong ....
your definatly a isolated incident, over 10,000 sold and we barely ever get a ticket or complaint on them, what kind of juice are you using, are oyu filling them properly without juice getting into the airhole, its very hard for them to leak since they have a filler ring holding back the juice. What mod are you using. im sure you know what your doing since you said one or 2 worked, are you waiting for them to soak a minute before use, did you take a dry pull to get the juice flowing. Well lets not jump to the conclusion that your doing something wrong, lets try to figure it out, it could be a faulty carto which can happen , it could be the juice or the way you filled it, either way lets see what can be the cause.
 

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ok, this is gonna be a quite detailed post. I'll try to write everything down since using this clearo. First of all maybe some needed information. I've smoked analog for 10 years, 2 pack a week Marlboro Light smoker. Though not much compared to some people i was quite addicted and needed an cig every 2 or 3 hours. If i wasn't that disciplined i probably smoked more like a pack in 2 days. Tried quitting twice but couldn't last for longer than a week. I want to tell this because you can analyze what kind of throat hit i need.

I've been trying disposable e-cigs for 2 weeks. It did not give me what i needed so i thought, i'll buy a simple setup to try an refillable e-cig. If it doesn't work i wont be throwing away too much money. So i did some research and bought the following setup :

2 Joyetech 510 batteries,
a charger
2 Vision Nano Clearos

11mg nicotine liquid 80%pg/20%vg

I wanted something small and stealth starting with medium nicotine, downgrading the nicotine to low and quitting vaping eventually (though much healthier compared to smoking i still see vaping as an addiction but that's something personal, so it's not a judgment on other people ! i just dont want to be stuck to something i crave for every few hours).

Started with this setup a week and 2 days ago. Followed the instructions and filled the Nano with liquid, let it soak for a few minutes and vaped. Wow !!! much better than a disposable. More vape, more taste and more throat hit (which i really crave). Unfortunately after 3 days the Nano leaked at the ring, probably put too much stress on that point while (un)screwing batteries. I think i've used 3 tanks in 3 days altogether, sometimes filling when half empty (which seems to give leakage at the bottom). Really enjoyed the vaping with the first one. Have to mention that this one gave me pop and crackle sounds when vaping. Meanwhile i ordered 2 new Nanos and some extra liquid (6mg, 80%pg/20%vg)

Second one, filled it up using the same 11mg liquid and used it for 2 days. Cant remember much from the first day but the second day i really did not get any throat hit at all, no taste and i did get vape but it was like vaping air. I was at work so i got really stressed. I got aware of the fact it did not pop and crackle while vaping. So i was thinking maybe i've got a malfunctioning one. It also leaked when filling so i did some googling and got aware of the fact how the vacuum works with bottom coil clearos.

I got home and immediately filled a new one up with the 11mg liquid and tried the "third" one out. The vape/taste/throat hit were back !! The pop and crackle sound were back. First i used a tank with 11mg nicotine. Big throat hits, great taste and vape. Second tank using 6mg liquid. Less throat hit (but enough to be satisfied) and also enough vape and taste. Third fill i used the 11mg liquid again. The Nano was still going strong and i was really satisfied thinking the second one was an incident. After that yesterday night i filled it up with 6mg liquid, took a few puffs (still got enough throat hit out of it) and went to bed.

Today took the thing with me to work, vaped and vaped. No satisfaction at all, taste was gone, less vape and no throat hit. Again like the second one it was like vaping air. Meanwhile it also gave me some strange popping sounds when sucking on but it's not the pop when i fire it. It's like a some gurgling.

Messed around with it thinking there was gunk in the airtube or something. Tried to clean the airtube with a toothpick but did not give me any result. It was still like vaping air. I think i broke this one because i got to deep with the toothpick. I tried to clean the third Nano by rinsing it with water but it died. It does fire but no vape at all now.

So i got home from work filled my fourth one up with half a tank 6mg liquid, let it soak and tried it. First few puffs were average, then it got better. Filled the other half of the tank with 11mg liquid. I am still using the fourth one now and i am not really satisfied.


My main questions are with the Nano are:

  • is it okay to fill when it's half empty ? or do i have to vape till the liquid is beneath the two tiny holes ?
  • how many fills do they last normally ?
  • how much air does the tank need ? mostly i fill it with 1cm beneath the top.

i probably got some more questions but these are my main concerns.

ps. i do fill the right way = no liquid in the airtube/airshaft and do it as quick as possible to avoid leaking at the bottom.
 
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Just a couple of observations based on what you posted. If you just recently quit smoking it can take a while for your body to recover from the ciggys - specifically your taste buds. It is common to have days here and there where the vape just doesn't seem to have any taste to it. And for some ppl your milage may vary - Ive been vaping for 2 1/2 years (but had smoked for like 2ppd for 25) and lots of vape flavors still just don't taste 'right' to me. For example I had some orange dreamcicle stuff in a nova tank and to me it was ok but not what I had been expecting. I let my buddy vape on it a while (he used my whole setup so it wasn't like it was a different device or something) and said it was the best thing he ever tried and tasted just like a dreamcicle he remembered.

Washing with water is fine but if the water is still in the wick you can get the 'no vapor' effect until all the water is gone. I would suggest letting it completely dry out first or learning how to do a dry burn to dry it out before refilling. Dry burning is basically firing it in short bursts (so to not overheat it) until everything is nice and dry and you get a glowing coil. But read up on it first to help you minimize chances of poping the coil or damaging it.

Gurgling happens when there is moisture in the air shaft. Just gently blow it out into a paper towel or tissue should take care of that.

Hope this helps :)
 

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... And I'll thow out a few tidbits of info as well.

It is ok to refill at any point... I usually leave about 5mm of gap, not a full cm. A bottom coil vaporizer like a Nano requires just a bit of air space so it can develop the proper amount of back pressure to help it not leak or over wick ( which leads to gurgling ). The amount of air you leave isn't that critical... so just some is ok.

Many people will have a Nano last weeks or even months with regular cleaning... IF it is a real Nano made by Vision and not some knock off clone or worse yet a fake. Make certain you get your supplies from a known good reputable reseller ( such as GotVapes, which is the forum area you are posting in ) to help avoid the clones and fakes. In some cases, a clone may work as well or even better but you never know until you try them... a fake is almost always worse and is the cause of many good products getting a poor review. If a website gives no name brand and just calls it a Nano... I always suspect a clone or a fake and won't purchase from them unless I know better from some other source of info about the reseller. Even good brands can have failures happen... but the number you mentioned is unusual to say the least.

The pops and crackle you mention may be normal but depends on the e-liquid you are using. It is common on thicker e-liquids to have distilled water added to help thin the juice. When the water hits the coils, it can make a popping and crackling noise. Some flavorings are water based as well. Typically an 80PG/20VG e-liquid doesn't require added water... so I suspect if this is the caused, it's a water based flavoring that was added.

If the e-liquid is too thin or if it gets hot ( which also thins a juice )... that can account for the leaking to some extent. So try not to leave your Nano's or other vaporizers in warmer locations and especially not in a hot car.


Ok.. some terminology stuff so you are on the same page as everyone else.

A Nano isn't considered a tank... it's usually called a clearo ( short for clearomizer )

Smaller vaporizers, typically holding from .5ml to about 2ml of fluid, are usually referred as atty ( atomizer ), carto ( cartomizer, which is a fiber filled type ) and clearo ( like the Nano or the Stardust as a larger example ).

A tank is usually any type of a larger capacity vaporiser holding from 2ml on up... Some of these use special carto's or clearo's in them and some are all self contained.

There are some more advanced vaporizers also... a RBA is a rebuildable atomizer that usually has a tank, a RDA is a rebuildable dripping atomizer which only holds a few drops of e-liquid ( say 3-15 drops )

A small 510 battery isn't really a good place to start ( IMO )... The one you got only outputs 3.3v and can't provide enough amperage to power ( measured in wattage ) the coils to vaporize the e-liquid very well. This usually results in less vapor and flavor. This is actually one reason that something like the Nano was created but it's still working with low power in comparison to better PV's. To get better power, you have to go to a bigger battery and I strongly recommend something with variable voltage or wattage adjustments so you can tailor the vape to your own preferences more. It also isn't all about just the power to the coil, in fact, different e-liquids can only take so much heat before they taste burnt... so the answer isn't always just turning up the power... it's a combination of several factors that must be balanced to your own preference and the device you are using.
 
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Meh I was thinking the nano was the top coil unit when I posted before. I had to go to the site and look before I remembered there was the bottom coil one with that name. I've been using tanks and other stuff for a long time now...
Dry burning a bottom coil clearo is a bit trickier because you cant see the coil unless you take the thing apart which prolly isn't a good idea if your new to them.
Since the nano is bottom coil you want to hold it bottom up when blowing the excess moisture out. Prolly even blow from the bottom end but I have found personally that with some other bottom coil devices (don't know about the nano since I don't have any) that blowing out from the bottom can sometimes leave a little moisture in the airtube (clinging to the sides of the tube) which can then travel back to the bottom after flipping it back over to use and it could gurgle some more. Often though you can just vape gently on it for a bit and this should go away. If you blow through it from the mouthpiece end while holding it with the bottom down (juice covering the holes) it will often make more juice come out and can make the problem worse.
Also make sure that you have the mouthpiece on securely - if any air can get in at all it can cause it to leak which will make it gurgle worse.

A few other thoughts - most of these devices need to be 'broken in' meaning that the performance of the clearo (or whatever device you are using) will generally get better after you use it for a bit.

Not all clearos / cartos (ect) work good for everybody. If its not quite doing it for ya try not to get frustrated. There are lots of other kinds of devices you can try. Some folks have to try them all and some of us are on a seeming never ending journey searching for the next best thing and the holy grail of vapeing ;)

Don't give up and welcome to the wonderful journey of being free from stinkies :D
 
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