Is Cloning Ethical? Legally you dont have much of a debate with out a patent hence the title of the thread
Is Cloning Ethical?
- Thread starter Huffelpuff
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
Is Cloning Ethical? Legally you dont have much of a debate with out a patent hence the title of the thread
Um. No, I didn't.
I do find the anger fascinating, though. People who argue in favor of clones must know they are supporting theft, but they will twist their logic circuits to the breaking point to protect their access to cheap knock-offs. You folks are actually creating moral and ethical arguments in favor of theft.
Somehow, lack of supply of one or another expensive device gives one the moral authority to rob the device's creator of his or her intellectual property - as if there is some law or Commandment that states anybody producing a product is required to produce enough to meet all demand, and set a price that is affordable to all, or suffer theft and derision as punishment.
Legally, if the creator does not apply for and receive a design or process patent, there is no "intellectual property". So the question of "theft" becomes moot.
But Buzzlove above is quite right to point out that what is "legal" is not necessarily "ethical". However, what if I have no idea what the "original" of something is, or who "originated" it, or if it is available for purchase? And if this information is not available? Or is inaccurate? Then there is no ethical problem buying a battery in a tube with a connector and a little heating coil, on top of it...with whatever little decorations and colours happen to strike my fancy.
HE HE Its hard to type threw my hysterical laughing;-)I suppose it is possible to unintentionally create something almost exactly the same down to the logo and then call it a XXXX clone but I think as rational thinking adults we all know the score
Is it legal to clone? Yes for the most part.
Is it ethical to clone? Nope!
I am an older dude and people these days have obviously been raised differently than I was.. To each their own I suppose but these days everyone has a "sense of entitlement" that's quite disturbing..
Buy a clone if you want I can really care less but these thief's will never get a cent of my mooooooola..
This ones getting shut down quick....
When original mod makers get tired to losing $$$ to thief's (read: clones) and stop making PV's then what?
Well the thief's can't innovate or create anything on their own so I suppose the end result will be that you have a few extra bucks in your bank account..
My .02 before this thread gets locked..
And the original mod makers are going to stop making PVs because it's so much more fun to work at McDonalds? Maybe they'll fly off to a Utopia of Capitalism protected by cloaking field where everyone can afford to pay top dollar for innovation because everyone is free to innovate and charge top dollar and nobody is dipping into anyone else's pocket to fund their work.
My work was stolen before I left college. I learned about it shortly after I left. Did I quit my career (probably should've but that's hind-sight on a different but similar issue)? No.
If someone actually came up with something new and innovative they would protect their work and if it was worth it they would defend it.
But in reality nobody is coming up with anything earth shaking in ecigs and none of it is worth defending.
If you say you don't use clones, how are those old 2005 designs working out for you?
These are ecigs, not cold fusion. Get some perspective.
Last edited:
You are mixing apples and oranges...faking somebody's logo is not what we were talking about, AFAIK . We were talking about clones, not counterfeits...
Like I previously stated.... Sense of entitlement...
YAWN!
2005 designs???
I have an ORIGINAL Roller.. I have 3ea ORIGINAL Divers... I have an ORIGINAL Provari... I have 2ea ORIGINAL VPX Tanks, I have 2ea ORIGINAL SnP Tanks... I have an ORIGINAL Kayfun and I have an ORIGINAL Super T ELA on order..
Not a SINGLE ripoff (read: Clone) in my collection.. I buy direct from the ORIGINAL creator!
2005 design???? LOL
Last edited:
Is Cloning Ethical?
I would clone myself If that were an option. Then I would send myself to work while I stay at home.
I would clone myself If that were an option. Then I would send myself to work while I stay at home.
I can spend days addressing the job issues and how our misleaders have and continue to sell us out.
I dont think anybody is saying its the crime of the century or the great travesty of our time, but just because its not earth shattering technology dose it make it any less wrong?
But then youed have to get another job to support your clone self , cause your clone self is supporting you!;-)
Last edited:
Is the smoktech natural a clone of the GG? Thats what I don't get. I don't understand why people call something a clone when it doesn't look anything like the original. It looks inspired by the GG but its not a GG. I love GG mods, I really do. When the smoktech natural came out, I really liked the look of it because I had been wanting a GG, or at least a bottom firing pinky button tube mod for a long time. The natural came out and I found myself saying "hm, well, its not a direct clone of the GG... I can't feel bad buying this" but, still, I went to the GG forum here, and I asked everyone there, including imeo himself, if they thought the smoktech natural was a clone of the GG. Everyone there including Imeo, said something along the lines of Yes. Yes, it looks like the GG. Yes, it is a copy of the GG. Yes, they copied my mod. So I thought about all their responses, but they didn't deter my own opinion. Which was NO, its not a copy of a GG. I honestly think its just a little annoying when someone says a mod is a copy when its obviously not meant to be a direct copy. The smoktech natural was meant to be a well made, cheap, stainless steel tube mod with a pinky button. Not a GG clone.
The KTS... Is the KTS a GG clone? Is it? The abbreviation is for "Kamry Telescopic Storm" which, yknow, "Telescopic Storm" Hmmmm... GGTS.. GreatGreekTelescopicStorm. So the name is a direct rip of the GG mod. Does the KTS look like a GG? Its a tube mod. It looks like the GG if you step on your glasses and take 500 steps backwards. Is the KTS a GG clone? Would I buy a KTS? I wouldn't buy a KTS. The KTS looked cheaply made to me from the moment I saw it. I also wouldn't buy it because I don't like the design of the top cap. It doesn't look like the GGs top cap, it looks like an original top cap, but I think its an ugly top cap. Who originally called it the KTS and who profited by calling it the KTS? Did Kamry put it out as the KTS or did 1 lone vendor call it the KTS and everyone else followed? Does that make it a clone? If vendors are ordering mods off of Alibabba and instantly renaming them after famous mods to create interest because they almost look similar, is that cloning? Or who cares if its cloning or not... Is that ethical for a vendor to name a mod after a mod it resembles in design but isn't an exact copy of? Is borrowing from mods that have come out ethical? Is the Bolt a clone of the silver bullet because its a tube mod with a big button a quarter down the tube? Are there too many questions in this post to get a solid answer from anyone, due to the fact that no one has the interest, the time, or the attention span to read this post and answer qualitatively?
The KTS... Is the KTS a GG clone? Is it? The abbreviation is for "Kamry Telescopic Storm" which, yknow, "Telescopic Storm" Hmmmm... GGTS.. GreatGreekTelescopicStorm. So the name is a direct rip of the GG mod. Does the KTS look like a GG? Its a tube mod. It looks like the GG if you step on your glasses and take 500 steps backwards. Is the KTS a GG clone? Would I buy a KTS? I wouldn't buy a KTS. The KTS looked cheaply made to me from the moment I saw it. I also wouldn't buy it because I don't like the design of the top cap. It doesn't look like the GGs top cap, it looks like an original top cap, but I think its an ugly top cap. Who originally called it the KTS and who profited by calling it the KTS? Did Kamry put it out as the KTS or did 1 lone vendor call it the KTS and everyone else followed? Does that make it a clone? If vendors are ordering mods off of Alibabba and instantly renaming them after famous mods to create interest because they almost look similar, is that cloning? Or who cares if its cloning or not... Is that ethical for a vendor to name a mod after a mod it resembles in design but isn't an exact copy of? Is borrowing from mods that have come out ethical? Is the Bolt a clone of the silver bullet because its a tube mod with a big button a quarter down the tube? Are there too many questions in this post to get a solid answer from anyone, due to the fact that no one has the interest, the time, or the attention span to read this post and answer qualitatively?
Last edited:
From where I stand they are one in the same in this conversation
If a clone maker wanted to be ethical the thief (read: clone maker) would contact the original creator, ask for permission, and share an agreed upon % of the clone sales..
Ya good luck with that!
Ya good luck with that!
Possibly on your side of the conversation. Not a lot of other participants are equating "clone" with "counterfeit", as far as I can see.
Merriam-Webster defines "counterfeit" as "made in imitation of something else with intent to deceive". The intent to deceive, to commit fraud in fact, is the point - if I paint a flashlight tube and try to convince you it's a genuine ProVari, because I think you're gullible enough to believe me... I don't see a lot of that kind of fraud going on.
I think what Im talking about is in the spirit of the OP intent of this thread more so than you debating what a clone ether is or isn't.
Yeah, boy you can bet I'd be upset if they were selling that bogwa clone as a genuine bogwa or whatever it is. I'm already seeing that type of thing going on at Fast Tech. No mention of the product being a clone. Just the original name of the original item thrown up on the website.
- Status
Similar threads
