SO what should the maximum wage be? If business can't be trusted at the bottom of the wage scale, why should they be trusted at the top?
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Is Cloning Ethical?
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SO what should the maximum wage be? If business can't be trusted at the bottom of the wage scale, why should they be trusted at the top?
Interesting perspective there sport,
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From what I have seen. Several of the clones are better then the originals.
All the world loves a clone. Except for those who are really freaked out by them.
The pharmaceutical talk hits home. I pay attention to a group who's always begging for donations to find a cure and bragging about new drugs their research has helped come up with. DONATIONS so that I can end up paying $500 a month, every month for the rest of my life, for a modified aspirin. And that's the cheap one, the actual drugs they are coming up with now are more like $1500-$3000 a month, every month for the rest of the person's life. They claim research costs as the reason it's so expensive, research that was donated or tax payers funded.
That is what is unethical and yes those patent rights should be taken from those companies. That's the price you pay when you take other people's money. Don't like it? Keep your hands out of my pockets.
I'm as objectivist as one can be but it's not objectivist to cry socialist when taking from someone who used socialism to get it. You're missing the whole point if you think it is.
But we're talking ecigs here. They're flashlights with resistance wire and maybe a protection circuit, possibly a transformer. There's really not much to clone.
I don't think the majority complaining about clones has any idea what an infringement actually is. Either everything is infringing on the first ecig or very few "clones" are infringing on anything. You can't have it both ways and draw the line where you want it to be.
I've had my art work stolen, actually taken from me without compensation, copied and sold for profit. I know this for a fact. There's not a thing I could do about it because to be an infringement it has to be an exact copy and the mold making process doesn't make exact copies because of shrinkage.
I'm also fairly sure I had an idea (same one that was stolen above) taken from someone I went to school with. Can't prove it, and even if I did I couldn't do anything because it wasn't an exact copy.
I don't think electronics goes that far but judging how many similar electronic devices there are they're probably close.
The pharmaceutical talk hits home. I pay attention to a group who's always begging for donations to find a cure and bragging about new drugs their research has helped come up with. DONATIONS so that I can end up paying $500 a month, every month for the rest of my life, for a modified aspirin. And that's the cheap one, the actual drugs they are coming up with now are more like $1500-$3000 a month, every month for the rest of the person's life. They claim research costs as the reason it's so expensive, research that was donated or tax payers funded.
That is what is unethical and yes those patent rights should be taken from those companies. That's the price you pay when you take other people's money. Don't like it? Keep your hands out of my pockets.
I'm as objectivist as one can be but it's not objectivist to cry socialist when taking from someone who used socialism to get it. You're missing the whole point if you think it is.
But we're talking ecigs here. They're flashlights with resistance wire and maybe a protection circuit, possibly a transformer. There's really not much to clone.
I don't think the majority complaining about clones has any idea what an infringement actually is. Either everything is infringing on the first ecig or very few "clones" are infringing on anything. You can't have it both ways and draw the line where you want it to be.
I've had my art work stolen, actually taken from me without compensation, copied and sold for profit. I know this for a fact. There's not a thing I could do about it because to be an infringement it has to be an exact copy and the mold making process doesn't make exact copies because of shrinkage.
I'm also fairly sure I had an idea (same one that was stolen above) taken from someone I went to school with. Can't prove it, and even if I did I couldn't do anything because it wasn't an exact copy.
I don't think electronics goes that far but judging how many similar electronic devices there are they're probably close.
CEOs are overpaid because their corporate boards are captured. A maximum wage won't solve that.
And I'm not "sport". Your wife or dog are "sport". Try some manners.
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Patents only limit creativity. If you make a superior product and sell it for a reasonable price, you will have no problem making money hand over fist. However, if someone comes along and improves on your design of said product it should be on you to up your game and not lawyers saying no no no. If someone is cloning your product, selling it for half the price and putting you out of business, that's on you look no further.
Copying someone else's idea is as ethical as capitalism , actually they both go hand in hand .
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Try learning worldwide colloquial greetings, sport is perfectly polite in many English speaking areas of the world. Just a heads up, sport.
I can almost bet, people who say cloning is not ethical and will never buy a cloned PV, probably have "copied" music and have stolen goods. They are probably the most unethical people you know.
Well if you really want to talk about a job killer, just wait for your Affordable Healthcare to start and you just wait what the FDA is going to do e-cigs.
Well if you really want to talk about a job killer, just wait for your Affordable Healthcare to start and you just wait what the FDA is going to do e-cigs.
Why do people feel a need to justify their actions by comparing their actions to someone else? also this is just a load of generalized invalid dribble.
People who do not support the cloning market may or may not be dishonest just as people who do support the cloning market may or may not be dishonest people.
If I insert the saying when you point your finger 3 point back dose then mean you are 3 times as dishonest as the people you are accusing?
I personally do not support the clone market. Thats just me and my values am I a 100% buy the book completely honest person no I have my little justifications and rationalizations we all do.
But to reply to what you wrote I buy my music,Movies, If someone tried to sell me stolen property I would jam my finger trying to dial the police as quickly as I could.
EDIT: for the record some of the people who think cloning is wrong come off as lofty and I realize your just responding to that.
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Thought we were talking about e-cigs...
My bad, I mistook this thread for being e-cig related.
I deal with so many people who say one thing and don't live it out. I think most people just like to debate and get people riled up. I don't care if someone wants to buy a $10 or $1,000 flashlight. The goal is to quit the analogs.
I chose to buy the original because because I would rather support the person who came up with the idea and produced it. I would rather not support someone who copied anthers product. You could reduce this all the way down to cartomizers who made the first cart? are they not all clones after that?
So for me when a new atty or mod is released I prefer to get the original vs the clone to soon follow. I see taking someones product and improving on it as normal evolution of things and this benefits us.
I suppose some might argue cheaper and mass produced with a sacrifice in quality and craftsman ship is improvement as its now more available and affordable.
I am also a collector so that also figures in to my way of thinking. Whether you do or don't support the cloning market is a personal call that will be always debated as it a matter of opinion.
I've lived in the UK, I'm born in the US, and I aced my English SAT, AP and IB Higher exams. I'm pretty sure my English is superior to yours, along with all of my other languages. The "heads up" here is "sport" was being employed with a demeaning tone, not as a "colloquial greeting".
So your point is if someone dose not protect their product threw law then if their product is cloned there is no ethical debate? Right or wrong is something defined on a legal document vs a scene of values each person has and or may have a lack of?
Well I am not sure i should take lessons in manners from someone who compares his wife to his dog.
This ones getting shut down quick....
When original mod makers get tired to losing $$$ to thief's (read: clones) and stop making PV's then what?
Well the thief's can't innovate or create anything on their own so I suppose the end result will be that you have a few extra bucks in your bank account..
My .02 before this thread gets locked..
When original mod makers get tired to losing $$$ to thief's (read: clones) and stop making PV's then what?
Well the thief's can't innovate or create anything on their own so I suppose the end result will be that you have a few extra bucks in your bank account..
My .02 before this thread gets locked..
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Thought we were talking about e-cigs...
My bad, I mistook this thread for being e-cig related.
So far this thread has references to wives, dogs, sports, health care, Rolexs, Nikes, various economies, globalization, capitalism, Wall Street, English usage and approximately 800 other things...and every once in a while we manage to mention vaping materials.
It would indeed be interesting to have a list of the design patents and process patents that have been given to vaping material manufacturers. I know Ruyan has received a number of patents, but who else has? Anybody?
Unlike copyright (on texts and illustrations only, does not apply to e-cig stuff) which is automatic, patents have to be applied for, and their originality proven.
Dose this hurt the Modder? doubtful the person buying this probably would not have forked out the 250$ for the real one anyway
Is it the same quality and craftsman ship as a real CHI YOU no we all know that.
Is it wrong since its not really affecting anyone in a negative way? I think so why cant they just make their own design?
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