Is it ignorance?
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I won't even argue the point anymore with people. I've tried educating, CASAA cards, etc., but it's about as effective as handing a non-religious person a tract and hoping they'll see the light. Nope, uh uh, I don't dally anymore. Arguing with a fool or trying to educate the willfully ignorant... I have better ways to spend my time. Let them believe what they choose to believe.
While many vapers may say, "that's a defeatist attitude," after so many attempts to educate, if they don't want to learn on their own, I'm not going to hold their hand. This is the information age. They're adults. There is no excuse except willful ignorance.
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While many vapers may say, "that's a defeatist attitude," after so many attempts to educate, if they don't want to learn on their own, I'm not going to hold their hand. This is the information age. They're adults. There is no excuse except willful ignorance.
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You immediately equate "all hell will break loose" with violent civil unrest?
Yes, I generally associate all hell breaking loose with violence or some other catastrophic conditions. Otherwise, the phrase seems hyperbolic.
It sounds like OP's "friend" was outside smoking when this took place. If that was the scenario then clearly the "friend" was just jealous and being defensive beause he wants a reason to keep smoking. I really laugh everytime a smoker starts spewing the evils of e-cigs!
At least we will have no more mud slinging ads for about 4 months. Anyways, I totally agree except the government already taxes something we use en masse: gas. We have become so used to it that we think Big Oil are the only people who profit off of gas sales.
I agree fully...
I had some friends over a few weeks ago for a Jam Session, in which many of them smoke. I let them smoke on the back patio...right where I use to smoke for 20+ years. As I sat vaping away, my drummer asked "Soooo...how is that "vaping thing" workin out for you?" in which I replied "Very good...it's been over a year, I feel great and breathe much better". Then he says "Well one thing for sure...I know what THIS will do to me" as he held up his ciggy. "You have no idea what THAT'S doing to you".
Sometimes it seems that smokers get angry because you're no longer "in the pack". LITERALLY!!!
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Brian
Guessing you've never had a dog.
Alright, I'll amend my previous comment. All hell breaking loose is either violence, catastrophes, or excited dogs.
I agree fully...
I had some friends over a few weeks ago for a Jam Session, in which many of them smoke. I let them smoke on the back patio...right where I use to smoke for 20+ years. As I sat vaping away, my drummer asked "Soooo...how is that "vaping thing" workin out for you?" in which I replied "Very good...it's been over a year, I feel great and breathe much better". Then he says "Well one thing for sure...I know what THIS will do to me" as he held up his ciggy. "You have no idea what THAT'S doing to you".
Sometimes it seems that smokers get angry because you're no longer "in the pack". LITERALLY!!!
Be Well,
Brian
I've seen it go the other way too. A friend of mine was the last of his work smoking circle of friends to go vape. He eventually gave in, converted his wife and they've both been cig free for months. A good kind of peer pressure.
Since the discussion is going here anyway: some people are terrified of the concept of thinking for themselves. Faith in government is all they have.
I agree fully...
Sometimes it seems that smokers get angry because you're no longer "in the pack". LITERALLY!!!
Be Well,
Brian
This^^^^
Yes, you are traitor in their eyes but more, you make them feel weak and helpless, maybe a little scared.
Have a buddy I have known since I was 13 years old, both smoked, I said, "I just started wondering how long I was going to get away with it" haven't seen him since. I even was letting him still smoke in the jam room, doesn't bother me.
It's still a bit jarring to me. I mean, I'm in south MS surrounded by some of the dumbest and most willfully ignorant people ever, and I've only had one issue like this with a complete anti. I've gotten a lot of the same stupid questions about "Do you even know what's in that?" and whatnot, but they've all been genuinely curious and listened when I explained all I could. I've made quite a few converts down here and some of them are literally the most closed-minded people I've ever met... Apparently the south isn't as bad as I thought...
The South rocks, Tatsel.
And anyone who believes the FDA after their ridiculous, well-documented string of blunders, lies, and outright sale of public health to the highest payoff cannot be reasoned with.
The FDA sucks.
And anyone who believes the FDA after their ridiculous, well-documented string of blunders, lies, and outright sale of public health to the highest payoff cannot be reasoned with.
The FDA sucks.
This probably won't help but I found this video very informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6KBGH2F63A&list=WL&index=16
I have decided long ago never to argue with someone who has their mind set. If they are unwilling to be informed and open minded it is a loss of time you will never be able to get back. It is sad but many no longer want the truth and are unwilling to find the facts. The insurance commercial with the young lady who believes everything she see on the internet is cute but is also, unfortunately, too true of many today. Those willing to read and become informed will. Arguing with those who have made up their minds is an act of futility. There is always hope they will become informed but arguing will never achieve this in my experience. Asking them politely to provide you the source of their facts, however, has been known to prove they truly are not informed as many times they cannot. They just "heard it somewhere."
I have decided long ago never to argue with someone who has their mind set. If they are unwilling to be informed and open minded it is a loss of time you will never be able to get back. It is sad but many no longer want the truth and are unwilling to find the facts. The insurance commercial with the young lady who believes everything she see on the internet is cute but is also, unfortunately, too true of many today. Those willing to read and become informed will. Arguing with those who have made up their minds is an act of futility. There is always hope they will become informed but arguing will never achieve this in my experience. Asking them politely to provide you the source of their facts, however, has been known to prove they truly are not informed as many times they cannot. They just "heard it somewhere."
Eddard! I was wondering how long I'd be trolling around before I saw someone I recognized! It's been almost a year since I was on here...Or had internet access. Life R Hard yo! lol
There are things I absolutely love about the south don't get me wrong. As a whole though, I don't fit in here very well and it makes me a bit...resentful I guess? IDK. Still, you can't beat living in the country. I could go fire off an automatic weapon on my front porch right now and all the neighbors would do is ask if I needed help skinning the deer...or hiding the body. Now THAT'S freedom!
The fact of the matter is, vaping may prove to be harmful to our health, especially certain liquids, as we've more recently discovered, and certain set ups and types of wires, (gplat comes to mind for example...) I think the issues here are "relative dangers" and harm reduction. The truth is, this vaper DOES want to know the truth, either way, but the problem is there are people on BOTH sides who suppress such information and there are too many conflicting reports to get a straight answer. We shouldn't have to spend hours upon hours digging through scores of information, some valid, some ridiculous to try and find the truth and then make an informed decision on top of that. For myself, I have accepted the risks and my own health experiences alone dictate to me that vaping is much safer for me then cigarettes, save some freak battery mishap, (G-d forbid!), and will continue to vape at this time. The truly ridiculousness to any of the OP's buddy's "claims" is that ANYONE would carte blanch and as a matter defacto, blindly trust the FDA or any government entity. No, I can't say I've yet to have this experience, as most of my friends and family share similar beliefs and ideas about our government and corporations, anyone in a position with that much unchecked power or who has an immense amount to gain by suppressing the truth and furthering their agenda. They seem to be informed and well enough of aware that you can't take those kinds of institutions and least likely the media, at their word.
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