Or even excited cats. When they run amok... look out! They have REALLY SHARP claws!!!
Andria
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Or even excited cats. When they run amok... look out! They have REALLY SHARP claws!!!
Andria
I agree fully...
I had some friends over a few weeks ago for a Jam Session, in which many of them smoke. I let them smoke on the back patio...right where I use to smoke for 20+ years. As I sat vaping away, my drummer asked "Soooo...how is that "vaping thing" workin out for you?" in which I replied "Very good...it's been over a year, I feel great and breathe much better". Then he says "Well one thing for sure...I know what THIS will do to me" as he held up his ciggy. "You have no idea what THAT'S doing to you".
Sometimes it seems that smokers get angry because you're no longer "in the pack". LITERALLY!!!
Be Well,
Brian
HI Brian! I am in Florida too!
I had to laugh at what your friend said! I think your telling him how your feeling great and breathing better absolutely explains that you do have an idea of what "that" is doing to you! LOLOL
Or even excited cats. When they run amok... look out! They have REALLY SHARP claws!!!
Andria
My manx only has sharp claws when playing with hubby! I get kisses, hubby gets mauled. That is how MeepBoop plays
Atlanta is a strange part of the south... it's a huge, major, MASSIVE city with so many people here from other places, that it's sometimes a challenge to find a southern accent.... yet surrounded by south-appalachia and "crackerville"... but vaping is really catching on, here. I live in a suburb about 25 miles NE of Atlanta, and it's gotten so that it's hard to go 2 blocks without seeing another vape shop, and I've gotten a lot of positive feedback in public from those who see me vaping, and are either vapers themselves, or are very interested in trying it, to get off the dang coffin nails. It's kinda funny, this being the deepest Deep South and all, but GA these days is staunchly republican; we want no part of Obamacare, and as far as most people around here are concerned, anyone who makes their living in DC has pretty much sold their soul to the devil -- so they have about ZERO use for anything the FDA says.
Andria
My manx only has sharp claws when playing with hubby! I get kisses, hubby gets mauled. That is how MeepBoop plays
Heh... ours tries to bite both of us, sometimes. Her 'daddy' puts up with it, and starts frisking around with her like he's half cat, letting her know that if she wants to play rough, he can play rougher.
I just say "HEY!" loudly, and she stops at once, and starts licking me like lil Miss Innocence -- I told her, and my husband, that if she ever bites me and draws blood, she's gonna hit the wall, HARD. I'm allergic to cats, and though the daily zyrtec prevents about 98% of allergic symptoms, blood contact with the detergent in her saliva could be very dangerous for me. Still, my husband says stupid things like "aw, she's just playin'." 
Andria
Yes I think it folly to believe there are no negative health consequences to vaping, however there is no evidence that there are any significant or substantial dangers between vaping and not vaping. Between vaping and smoking it is totally clear that vaping is significantly less risky.
At the Global Forum on Nicotine, research attempting to answer this found if you allow smoking to be 100% risk vaping is 4% risk. http://gfn.net.co/2014-vids
I don't know if Gplat is dangerous, it is a scam to sell common 317L stainless steel wire at crazy prices.
At the Global Forum on Nicotine, research attempting to answer this found if you allow smoking to be 100% risk vaping is 4% risk. http://gfn.net.co/2014-vids
I don't know if Gplat is dangerous, it is a scam to sell common 317L stainless steel wire at crazy prices.
Atlanta is a strange part of the south... it's a huge, major, MASSIVE city with so many people here from other places, that it's sometimes a challenge to find a southern accent.... yet surrounded by south-appalachia and "crackerville"... but vaping is really catching on, here. I live in a suburb about 25 miles NE of Atlanta, and it's gotten so that it's hard to go 2 blocks without seeing another vape shop, and I've gotten a lot of positive feedback in public from those who see me vaping, and are either vapers themselves, or are very interested in trying it, to get off the dang coffin nails. It's kinda funny, this being the deepest Deep South and all, but GA these days is staunchly republican; we want no part of Obamacare, and as far as most people around here are concerned, anyone who makes their living in DC has pretty much sold their soul to the devil -- so they have about ZERO use for anything the FDA says.
Andria
That's much the same that I get here on the coast, except it's all southern drawl here. It's one of the things that keeps me from fitting in too well, and one of the ways I fit in best. They distrust the gov't just as much as I do, but I'm a progressive liberal with the one exception of gun control. I ride the fence on gun control a lot... Criminals don't care about gun laws, but there's just too many shootings in recent years... Makes my head hurt trying to pick a side on that kind of issue. Constitutionally my rights, publicly causing all kinds of hell. Tough one...
Eddard! I was wondering how long I'd be trolling around before I saw someone I recognized! It's been almost a year since I was on here...Or had internet access. Life R Hard yo! lol
There are things I absolutely love about the south don't get me wrong. As a whole though, I don't fit in here very well and it makes me a bit...resentful I guess? IDK. Still, you can't beat living in the country. I could go fire off an automatic weapon on my front porch right now and all the neighbors would do is ask if I needed help skinning the deer...or hiding the body. Now THAT'S freedom!
Fair enough. There are certainly some things in the South I don't like....
I was on ECF hiatus for a bit, too. Good to see ya!
Heh... ours tries to bite both of us, sometimes. Her 'daddy' puts up with it, and starts frisking around with her like he's half cat, letting her know that if she wants to play rough, he can play rougher.
Andria
I am also allergic to cats! Some more than others. Like MeepBoop has very silky almost kitten like fur even though he is 4 now. KitKat my older kitty is a grey tabby and has more course fur and I am not as allergic to him. Zirtec does not help me at all.
Really?? That amazes me... I tried that other one, "Allegra," and it was like I had taken NOTHING, it was completely useless, but Zyrtec works very well for me. I still get the allergy eyes sometimes, and have to pop a supplementary benadryl and wash out my eyes with artificial tears, but the Zyrtec is amazingly effective. I'm just so delighted that I finally get to have a cat!
Andria
Really?? That amazes me... I tried that other one, "Allegra," and it was like I had taken NOTHING, it was completely useless, but Zyrtec works very well for me. I still get the allergy eyes sometimes, and have to pop a supplementary benadryl and wash out my eyes with artificial tears, but the Zyrtec is amazingly effective. I'm just so delighted that I finally get to have a cat!
Andria
Since I love my cats I just suck it up. When it gets really bad Benadryl helps. (If taken early on) I do not know why zirtec does not work for me.
Hey now....I was born and raised in the South and born into a military family and remained attached to the military in one form or another to this day. As such, I've also traveled extensively throughout our nation as well as abroad. Southerners are not as stupid or uneducated as the stereotypes and generalizations would have you believe, no more than such implications apply to the various ethnic groups, sexual preference, etc. I now live smack, dab in the middle of the Midwest and I much prefer the "idiots" in the south verses these midwest "idiots"! Ignorant people abound regardless of location is my point here. That being said if you mess with my vape or sweet ice tea, I may have to get ignorant LOL!
On the real though, when I used gplat as an example, I wasn't trying to say there WAS anything dangerous in it or not, I simply used that brand as the scandal to it's contents and debate on whether or not it was safe or not is widely known of. The newest fad that seems to be gaining speed it titanium wire, which was actually being used back in 2012 and is currently used in "other" vaping applications. Is it safe, I don't know as I haven't fully done the research on it. That was my main point, there simply isn't enough information out there, at least that is easily accessible to the average person to determine if "vaping" is "safe" and to what degree or not. A lot of these terms are subjective, take "vaping" for example, which has exploded into a huge industry with a vast and varied amount of "vaping" products available. You have "sub-ohming" vaping, which continues to go lower and lower, and more popular especially with the introduction of affordable high wattage devices on the market. There's different types of wire, wicking material. My experience on vaping sub-ohm with cellu-cotton aka rayon was awful! It truly tasted like I was vaping Barbie hair, all three times I tried it in three different set ups, then there's XC-116. which has provided the cleanest and best tasting wicking set up I've tried to date, but also makes me extremely hesitant to use, given it's composition and tendency to easily fray into tiny fiberglass or ceramic particles that I truly don't want to repeatedly inhale. And YES, I've used the "Ready Wick" brand which is treated in a kiln with high temperatures for a long time.
Safe....what does safe mean? No hazards to ones health or others, well that pretty much rules everything as unsafe. There are so many different factors with vaping and different ways we all vape as vapers, it's just too broad of a statement to say if vaping is safe, or even safer than smoking. To the inexperienced user attempting to sub-ohm on a single 10 amp cheap battery, smoking WOULD be safer than vaping. So again I propose the question really is is vaping safer than smoking, which I feel we truly do not know. Sure I feel better now then when I smoked, but it's possible vaping in the manner I do with the eliquids I do could put me at an increased risk for certain types of cancers or diseases that don't show the same symptoms of the cancers and diseases that smoking does. I didn't feel like crap from smoking until after I'd smoked a LONG time, whereas I've only been vaping almost a year. It is my OPINION that for me vaping is better than me smoking but again, it's only an opinion backed up by personal experience not a full scientific theory or approach.
I respect others who question and even fear the risks of vaping, and don't think they should be made to feel stupid or less than for holding their opinions and in return I desire my decision to vape and my opinions regarding the risks or benefit to it be respected as well. All we can do if they're willing to hear is present them with the information that we DO know and our own experiences and let them make an informed decision from there. The matter of the FDA being trustworthy is a whole different issue altogether and can easily and quickly be disproved of being so.
On the real though, when I used gplat as an example, I wasn't trying to say there WAS anything dangerous in it or not, I simply used that brand as the scandal to it's contents and debate on whether or not it was safe or not is widely known of. The newest fad that seems to be gaining speed it titanium wire, which was actually being used back in 2012 and is currently used in "other" vaping applications. Is it safe, I don't know as I haven't fully done the research on it. That was my main point, there simply isn't enough information out there, at least that is easily accessible to the average person to determine if "vaping" is "safe" and to what degree or not. A lot of these terms are subjective, take "vaping" for example, which has exploded into a huge industry with a vast and varied amount of "vaping" products available. You have "sub-ohming" vaping, which continues to go lower and lower, and more popular especially with the introduction of affordable high wattage devices on the market. There's different types of wire, wicking material. My experience on vaping sub-ohm with cellu-cotton aka rayon was awful! It truly tasted like I was vaping Barbie hair, all three times I tried it in three different set ups, then there's XC-116. which has provided the cleanest and best tasting wicking set up I've tried to date, but also makes me extremely hesitant to use, given it's composition and tendency to easily fray into tiny fiberglass or ceramic particles that I truly don't want to repeatedly inhale. And YES, I've used the "Ready Wick" brand which is treated in a kiln with high temperatures for a long time.
Safe....what does safe mean? No hazards to ones health or others, well that pretty much rules everything as unsafe. There are so many different factors with vaping and different ways we all vape as vapers, it's just too broad of a statement to say if vaping is safe, or even safer than smoking. To the inexperienced user attempting to sub-ohm on a single 10 amp cheap battery, smoking WOULD be safer than vaping. So again I propose the question really is is vaping safer than smoking, which I feel we truly do not know. Sure I feel better now then when I smoked, but it's possible vaping in the manner I do with the eliquids I do could put me at an increased risk for certain types of cancers or diseases that don't show the same symptoms of the cancers and diseases that smoking does. I didn't feel like crap from smoking until after I'd smoked a LONG time, whereas I've only been vaping almost a year. It is my OPINION that for me vaping is better than me smoking but again, it's only an opinion backed up by personal experience not a full scientific theory or approach.
I respect others who question and even fear the risks of vaping, and don't think they should be made to feel stupid or less than for holding their opinions and in return I desire my decision to vape and my opinions regarding the risks or benefit to it be respected as well. All we can do if they're willing to hear is present them with the information that we DO know and our own experiences and let them make an informed decision from there. The matter of the FDA being trustworthy is a whole different issue altogether and can easily and quickly be disproved of being so.
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You'll get no argument from me; I was born right here in ATL, lived my whole life here minus 5 in Michigan -- and my whole family had a lot of things to say about me going up to live amongst the "yankees," but the people in Michigan are lovely people... they just talk funny.
Andria
We talk funny? Were you living in the Yooper or something?You'll get no argument from me; I was born right here in ATL, lived my whole life here minus 5 in Michigan -- and my whole family had a lot of things to say about me going up to live amongst the "yankees," but the people in Michigan are lovely people... they just talk funny.
Andria
ROFL!! No, first in downriver Detroit, then Lake Orion, then Pontiac -- my son was born in Rochester Hills, at Crittenton. It's funny because when I first moved up there, I swear, for 2 yrs or more, everytime I opened my mouth, someone would say, "oh, that's so cute.. say that again!"
I had to learn to speak Michiganian so people would stop telling me how cute I was. But when I came back home, and my mom heard me say "pop," she hollered at me that I was back in Ga and to stop talking yankee! Andria
It's soda or Coke!! Even if it's Sprite!!! ;-)
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Oh, no, do not even get me started...!
(OK, too late for that...
)One of my wive's aunts is a retired nurse. Back when I smoked, she used to give me those lenghty lectures on the harms of smoking. As if *I* was so dumb as to NOT know already about those harms.
Once, I got on sarcasm mode, and replied something like "Really? I did not know about that..."
Well, she did not even get the message. My response only encouraged her that time...
For her, it was soooo easy to "just quit", that the ONLY reason I was still smoking is because I SIMPLY wanted to.
When confronted with the fact that NO, it's NOT "soooo easy", she talked to me about "Pharma medicines". As if I didn't realize those existed. As a nurse, she was not informed about the fact that NRT's are the only "medicines" that have the luxory of presenting a success rate of 5%, and STILL be allowed in the market. If it was something to control diabetes, for example, it would have been removed from the shelves long ago. I guess her reasoning was something like "It's a MEDICINE, so it MUST be effective, right?"
Almost six years ago, I started vaping. Quit smoking in a day and an half. And yet, no praising words, no real interest from her. Maybe she thought that I had "not really quit".
Lately, the biased media has arrived at Portugal. Now, she lectures me on the "dangers of vaping" she has heard on the news. Nevermind the fact that *I* had six full years to make my own, PROPER research
Bottom line: she must believe she has some kind of master degree on BOTH smoking and vaping, even if she NEVER smoked in her entire life, and has only recently been aware of the vaping "new style"... c'mon... really ??
Don't know if someone mentioned this (sorry didn't read every post) and sorry I can't link this as even searching I can't find again, but I read somewhere that in a survey (admitted small IIRK) of the people who stopped vaping and went back to smoking about a third did so for health reasons. It's depressing when the people using the equipment don't have the correct information so it really isn't surprising that non vapers don't have a clue. If only the governments would actually post the correct information instead of the stuff that helps them keep their tax revenue it would be fine.
Well actually... of that third who went back to smoking for health reasons, probably about half may have had a legitimate problem with vaping -- some people have a lot of trouble with the various chemicals and/or flavors and/or ingredients in the flavors. If one simply cannot establish a way to vape that is clearly a marked improvement in one's health, but is rather a *detriment* to one's health, then one simply cannot vape -- and for most of us, that means returning to smoking -- we know the dangers of that habit, sure enough, but those are generally long-term dangers, not immediate dangers.
It's harm REDUCTION, not harm ELIMINATION, and some of the harms of vaping, for some people, are worse than the immediate harms of smoking. A perfect example would be, if I were to suddenly become allergic to PG -- I have a long and varied history of allergies, so I'm really hoping it doesn't happen -- but if it did? I'd have to stop vaping, because VG completely suffocates me; I can't vape more than about 20% in my total mix.
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