Is the nic bar becoming lower?
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2010 was the last time I smoked , so honestly I kind of forgot the draw, TH, etc, but I think it was a tight draw? I know af is hard to compare between a cig and a vape, but as I remember the draw was close to perhaps a device with a 1mm draw? Imo a cig didn't have the draw a a sub tank with a dtl kind of feel...could be wrong though, but looking back It seemed that the mtl devices I started with like carts, old genny tanks seemed close to a cig imo.
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These days i regularly see people vaping in the streets and it's always a sub ohm device they are using, the giant clouds are the giveaway. Most vendors are now primarily stocked up with sub ohm tanks.
I figure new users aren't interested in rebuildables period. So seeing as most new products are sub ohm tanks then that's what a new users will go for. Not satisfied with trying to squeeze what little vapour they can out of a MTL tank they all go for DTL sub ohm setups. Sub ohm requires low nicotine. So everyone are now subnicohmers.
I figure new users aren't interested in rebuildables period. So seeing as most new products are sub ohm tanks then that's what a new users will go for. Not satisfied with trying to squeeze what little vapour they can out of a MTL tank they all go for DTL sub ohm setups. Sub ohm requires low nicotine. So everyone are now subnicohmers.
Personally, i simply don't have the energy to sub ohm. Just far too much effort what with all the deep breaths. I'm getting tired just thinking about it.
Sub ohm needn't be equated to DTL and Big Clouds. Sub ohm and low wattages are as valad for MTL as 1+ ohms.
Agree with the drop. I started at 36mg. Now it seems lots of eliquids stop at 12mg.
Just my opinion, but I believe that sub ohming attracted teenagers with its huge clouds. Teens need a "look at me" option whether it's flashy cars and clothes or sports and academic recognition. Most of them want to stand out and be recognized for something. The latest and greatest fad contributes to impressing their peers. If all vaping was MTL I don't think as many would take it up. Their peers would just say, "It's the same as smoking ... my parents said so".
If all vaping was MTL I would still be smoking cigarettes.
Teenage vaping is mostly a problem because of Juul devices. Juul devices are MTL.
Another aspect of teen smoking and vaping and a lot of other things is that they do it simply because adults do it and they can't... It's an adult thing to do, so many adults do it so it must be good.
Maybe true, but I believe if cloud chasers was never a thing, then they wouldn't have been drawn to juul type devices. They probably have a gas guzzler as their main vape, but just take the juul to school or places to stealth vape.
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I hear alot of this and not so sure it's 100 percent valid. I'm not saying you personally fall into this, but perhaps most start out mtl on devices that are not very good because of the selection. Perhaps mainly drop in coil tanks like a nautilus or the like, they than say this is not what I'm looking for a go to the gas guzzlers. But if there were no dtl devices and these vapors went further into mtl, like a quality rta and experimented with various coils and wicking options, I bet alot wouldn't be as apt to say that mtl wasn't for them. But there are options , which is a good thing because it shouldn't be hard and take alot of time experimenting.
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True, there are exceptions . If we just call them gas guzzlers, then it should cover it. Whether it's sub ohm, dtl, low nic, cloud chasers, etc, if it's or you are a gas guzzler, then we all know pretty much what type of vapor you are
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I hear teenage vaping is a problem a lot but i'm not so sure it's 100% valid.
Most studies conclude the increase in vaping in teenagers is not the result of net new tobacco users. It's vaping taking a slice of the cigarette pie at the highschool's smokers' pit - which is, in my opinion, a positive and not a negative.
It is illegal to sell nicotine or vape products to the underaged. I doubt they're walking into boutiques and picking out subohm cloud chasing gear. They're more likely using whatever they can get their hands on.
The problem here is not device manufacturers making sub ohm vape equipment. It's parents not parenting.
If they have to hide it at school it should be MTL. I remember smoking cigarettes on the football field where everyone gathered after lunch. We'd sit on the grass in small groups and cup a cigarette in our palms. If the coach was seen walking our way, we'd stub it out in the grass.
I remember (2005-2006ish) smoking cigarettes with my teacher at the cigarette pit that was on the far end of the parking lot.
I'm not sure when you guys were last in high school, or how it's handled where you live, but here it's not illegal. It's illegal to sell to kids. It's illegal to smoke near the school. But it's not illegal to smoke in designated places.
Looks like it's still being used:
That was in Jr. High School (8th-9th grade) back in the mid 60s. In Senior High you could smoke anywhere outside away from entrances. There were no age limits for buying cigarettes. It was up to the store owner whether you looked old enough to smoke.
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I pretty sure it's the same now as when I was in high school in the late 70 to early 80's, you had to be 18 to buy and smoke...
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