I just spit water ALL OVER MY DESK! Dammit, Eddard - you should KNOW better!!!
Is the PROVARI worth it...YES and I will explain WHY. Facts, not fanyboyism. Plz Read!
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I just spit water ALL OVER MY DESK! Dammit, Eddard - you should KNOW better!!!
And a simple observation that if we all put as much time and energy into fighting for our united cause, as we do for or against devices, we might stand a chance against the onslaught of idiotic legislation building up against us.
We ARE united as vapers, so let us all fight together. From Blu to Provari, and everything in between and around.
And yes, in case I hadn't mentioned it, just get a...
We ARE united as vapers, so let us all fight together. From Blu to Provari, and everything in between and around.
And yes, in case I hadn't mentioned it, just get a...
I cant seem to find a big enough smiley face........so I'll just think it !
That is a bit much. I delayed getting one because of the haters. I do have three sizes of devices because it isn't one size fits all but it is the only thing I have that holds up. I had two medium sized devices fail on me this month. My Large devices (Provari) is holding up just fine. It was a little disconcerting to have two other devices fail on me in the same month. I am happy with my smallest devices still.
I still resent being steered away from the Provari. I never got irate with people that don't want one, I do get irate when people say I like it because it is a status symbol or something like that.
I figured it would many people
now if it came in these colors
Do. Not. Want.
Now that the all clear has sounded, should we now discuss the pros and cons of clones vs. originals?
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And I have gone back to KR808 for my smallest hands free devices. In it's size class I don't see a thing wrong with the KR808 except for the compromises due to it's size.
My large devices are Provari, my small devices are KR808's, I am happy with both. What has been giving me trouble of late is the medium sized devices, The top of one 14mm battery got torn off after a modest amount of stress on an impact. Another one just stopped working and was less than a month old.
I don't need or want much in the way of features. I want small, medium, and large sized devices to match what I am doing and I would like them to be as reliable and durable as reasonably possible.
The device I am the most happy with that I have ever tried is the Provari. The device I am second most happy with is a V4L Titan cigalike. I am a bit taken aback but the failure rate and lack of durability on everything else I have tried. I am sure the mec mods would have held up but that is not what I do.
I let the last response to this get too long and didn't really ask anything.
For the small light devices what is wrong with that 5 year old technology? Every thing I rate better than the KR808 is significantly larger than the KR808.
Currently I am using the Provari and the KR808. Different animals for different situations but I don't feel the KR808 is obsolete within it's size class and I don't think it will be for a long time. Same with the Provari.
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I'm guilty of it. I just did it the other day because I knew it would annoy the people who don't like the Provari. It was absolutely trolling and tongue in cheek.
Here's why I have one, and I've only had mine for a few days. I wanted to step up from an eGo, I liked all of the features of the Provari, the fact that it's made in the USA really appeals to me, and it seems to have a really good reputation for quality. However, I didn't want to spend the money and was in analysis paralysis mode trying to decide what I should get instead. My boyfriend, who's known me for over 20 years and knows me better than anyone, said "Just get the Provari. You're going to get there eventually anyway. Don't waste a ton of time and money trying a bunch of different mods. Just get it." And he's totally right, that's what I would have done. Knowing me, I saved myself a few hundred bucks by buying it now instead of later.
So far, I love it. I expect this will be a very long relationship, and I really don't care what the "Antivaris" say. It's a quality mod with a great warranty. I don't feel like I'm part of some special club or that it makes me look cool or better than anyone else. But then again I own Apple and Android products, an Xbox360, a Wii, and a PS3... I evaluate products based on their own merits and the Provari passes with flying colors in every singe category.
Will I buy other mods? Probably, but just to screw around with. I can tell the Provari is going to be my daily driver, so to speak.
Provari stories 1st edition:
My wife was ready to leave me...so I got a Provari. Marriage fixed.
(Not trolling. I'm a provari owner with a sense of humor
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And a simple observation that if we all put as much time and energy into fighting for our united cause, as we do for or against devices, we might stand a chance against the onslaught of idiotic legislation building up against us.
We ARE united as vapers, so let us all fight together. From Blu to Provari, and everything in between and around.
And yes, in case I hadn't mentioned it, just get a...
I do already. I'm all over the Congressional sites dumping my 2 cents on em. You guys aren't?
As for my Provari story... I bought the Provari FIRST, before launching into figuring out which mods are most flimsy... so I'd never run out of something to vape while I saw what's out there and what everyone was talking about. Well. My experiences have ranged from an over $100 mod defective out of the box (itaste 134), a MECH mod broken in shipping (Iching Bagua), a mod that makes my finger buzz with electricity when I push the button tho this doesn't really bother me much and it amuses me. The ONLY mods that have held up well are the MVP2 and the VTR, and my MPV2 doesn't hold a charge even 1/2 as long as it did when I first got it... at 2 1/2 months old.
Meanwhile, my used Provari that was 2 years old when I bought it, and all scratch up, that had obviously never been cleaned even once in those 2 years... is my strongest mod, and the most used. I don't see it dying ever. And I torture this device. It's my atomizer ohm tester, my battery tester, my juice tester, my 'baseline' for measuring every other device. And after I've dropped it 100x and used it 12 hours of every day for the next few years, I'll probably be able to sell it for more than I paid for it, to buy another one if I want a different color. What's not to like?
And I'm far from a 'single mod' person. Here are most, but not all, the mods I have right now:
Here's just the mods sitting on my desk today:
If I could have one mod, it would be a Provari. I HAVE almost all of them, am now starting to look at hand-built mods... wish they had the Provari internals... that would be bliss
.Because OTHER PEOPLE say that Provari are great batteries means you should deprive yourself of a great battery? So if no one who's been to a certain restaurant has said bad things about it, but love it, you can never go to that restaurant? That makes no sense.
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I do already. I'm all over the Congressional sites dumping my 2 cents on em. You guys aren't?
As for my Provari story... I bought the Provari FIRST, before launching into figuring out which mods are most flimsy... so I'd never run out of something to vape while I saw what's out there and what everyone was talking about. Well. My experiences have ranged from an over $100 mod defective out of the box (itaste 134), a MECH mod broken in shipping (Iching Bagua), a mod that makes my finger buzz with electricity when I push the button tho this doesn't really bother me much and it amuses me. The ONLY mods that have held up well are the MVP2 and the VTR, and my MPV2 doesn't hold a charge even 1/2 as long as it did when I first got it... at 2 1/2 months old.
Meanwhile, my used Provari that was 2 years old when I bought it, and all scratch up, that had obviously never been cleaned even once in those 2 years... is my strongest mod, and the most used. I don't see it dying ever. And I torture this device. It's my atomizer ohm tester, my battery tester, my juice tester, my 'baseline' for measuring every other device. And after I've dropped it 100x and used it 12 hours of every day for the next few years, I'll probably be able to sell it for more than I paid for it, to buy another one if I want a different color. What's not to like?
And I'm far from a 'single mod' person. Here are most, but not all, the mods I have right now:
Here's just the mods sitting on my desk today:
If I could have one mod, it would be a Provari. I HAVE almost all of them, am now starting to look at hand-built mods... wish they had the Provari internals... that would be bliss
Because OTHER PEOPLE say that Provari are great batteries means you should deprive yourself of a great battery? So if no one who's been to a certain restaurant has said bad things about it, but love it, you can never go to that restaurant? That makes no sense.
Are ya married?
JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do already. I'm all over the Congressional sites dumping my 2 cents on em. You guys aren't?
As for my Provari story... I bought the Provari FIRST, before launching into figuring out which mods are most flimsy... so I'd never run out of something to vape while I saw what's out there and what everyone was talking about. Well. My experiences have ranged from an over $100 mod defective out of the box (itaste 134), a MECH mod broken in shipping (Iching Bagua), a mod that makes my finger buzz with electricity when I push the button tho this doesn't really bother me much and it amuses me. The ONLY mods that have held up well are the MVP2 and the VTR, and my MPV2 doesn't hold a charge even 1/2 as long as it did when I first got it... at 2 1/2 months old.
Meanwhile, my used Provari that was 2 years old when I bought it, and all scratch up, that had obviously never been cleaned even once in those 2 years... is my strongest mod, and the most used. I don't see it dying ever. And I torture this device. It's my atomizer ohm tester, my battery tester, my juice tester, my 'baseline' for measuring every other device. And after I've dropped it 100x and used it 12 hours of every day for the next few years, I'll probably be able to sell it for more than I paid for it, to buy another one if I want a different color. What's not to like?
And I'm far from a 'single mod' person. Here are most, but not all, the mods I have right now:
Here's just the mods sitting on my desk today:
If I could have one mod, it would be a Provari. I HAVE almost all of them, am now starting to look at hand-built mods... wish they had the Provari internals... that would be bliss
Because OTHER PEOPLE say that Provari are great batteries means you should deprive yourself of a great battery? So if no one who's been to a certain restaurant has said bad things about it, but love it, you can never go to that restaurant? That makes no sense.
Now that is an outstanding review. If I ever get a windfall and buy a Provari it will be in large part based on this review right here. Good job.
It's always funny to watch this kind of threads, almost like a good movie
Fact is, in the last 2 years or so, I've come to some conclusions:
- Provari is one of the better devices on the market, but its design it's long outdated, 3 years in the vaping world means ages.
- I couldn't care less about VW, as long as you can turn your voltage up and down, you can get the perfect vape in a matter of seconds.
- I couldn't care less about the e-go threading, I don't use this type of atomizers and even if I would use them, I wouldn't put them on top of a Provari, just looks crappy because of the size.
- I owned a Provari, sold it because I mainly use mech mods and because I like diversity, using a single device all the time feels like wearing the same clothes for months because they are well made and keep you warm, why change this?
- no matter what others say, Provari is a boring device and unfortunately not so indestructible as many people seem to think. Mine had the topcap coming off a little, had to constantly push it back (was using some heavier atomizers), and the circuit board was way too exposed for me to consider it solidly built, starting with the battery contact on the board, a small brass pin, soldered directly to the CB.
- back to the design, why the slanted cap? Why do I have to buy a separate piece to get the flush look with any of the RBAs with the same size (diameter ) as the Provari? Of course, when they designed it, it was a world full of 510-type atomizers, no 22mm beasts, but even then, a 510 atomizer looked crappy on the Provari just because of the difference in size. But things change, no matter what the guys at Provape think.
- yes, the chinese products are more or less cheaply made, but they improve as we're talking, just look at the recent mechanical mods or clones, and how dramatically the materials and machining quality improved for some of them.
In some way, Provari at the moment reminds me of the Pila chargers, once the best, now surpassed by others like xtar and they still don't seem to care to come up with something new (that is, if the company still exists, not quite sure about this).
Am I a Provari hater? No way, it's a nice product, but unless the Provape guys take a look at what people want or need, I'm afraid the future is not that bright for them.
Fact is, in the last 2 years or so, I've come to some conclusions:
- Provari is one of the better devices on the market, but its design it's long outdated, 3 years in the vaping world means ages.
- I couldn't care less about VW, as long as you can turn your voltage up and down, you can get the perfect vape in a matter of seconds.
- I couldn't care less about the e-go threading, I don't use this type of atomizers and even if I would use them, I wouldn't put them on top of a Provari, just looks crappy because of the size.
- I owned a Provari, sold it because I mainly use mech mods and because I like diversity, using a single device all the time feels like wearing the same clothes for months because they are well made and keep you warm, why change this?
- no matter what others say, Provari is a boring device and unfortunately not so indestructible as many people seem to think. Mine had the topcap coming off a little, had to constantly push it back (was using some heavier atomizers), and the circuit board was way too exposed for me to consider it solidly built, starting with the battery contact on the board, a small brass pin, soldered directly to the CB.
- back to the design, why the slanted cap? Why do I have to buy a separate piece to get the flush look with any of the RBAs with the same size (diameter ) as the Provari? Of course, when they designed it, it was a world full of 510-type atomizers, no 22mm beasts, but even then, a 510 atomizer looked crappy on the Provari just because of the difference in size. But things change, no matter what the guys at Provape think.
- yes, the chinese products are more or less cheaply made, but they improve as we're talking, just look at the recent mechanical mods or clones, and how dramatically the materials and machining quality improved for some of them.
In some way, Provari at the moment reminds me of the Pila chargers, once the best, now surpassed by others like xtar and they still don't seem to care to come up with something new (that is, if the company still exists, not quite sure about this).
Am I a Provari hater? No way, it's a nice product, but unless the Provape guys take a look at what people want or need, I'm afraid the future is not that bright for them.
Strange that ProVape has no problem selling outdated devices like hotcakes, has the best warranty / repair service in the industry, and has tons of satisfied customers to boot huh? The future is plenty bright for them:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/510738-new-hybrid-provari-colors.html#post11890832
The future is plenty bright for them:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/510738-new-hybrid-provari-colors.html#post11890832
It's always funny to watch this kind of threads, almost like a good movie
Fact is, in the last 2 years or so, I've come to some conclusions:
- Provari is one of the better devices on the market, but its design it's long outdated, 3 years in the vaping world means ages.
- I couldn't care less about VW, as long as you can turn your voltage up and down, you can get the perfect vape in a matter of seconds.
- I couldn't care less about the e-go threading, I don't use this type of atomizers and even if I would use them, I wouldn't put them on top of a Provari, just looks crappy because of the size.
- I owned a Provari, sold it because I mainly use mech mods and because I like diversity, using a single device all the time feels like wearing the same clothes for months because they are well made and keep you warm, why change this?
- no matter what others say, Provari is a boring device and unfortunately not so indestructible as many people seem to think. Mine had the topcap coming off a little, had to constantly push it back (was using some heavier atomizers), and the circuit board was way too exposed for me to consider it solidly built, starting with the battery contact on the board, a small brass pin, soldered directly to the CB.
- back to the design, why the slanted cap? Why do I have to buy a separate piece to get the flush look with any of the RBAs with the same size (diameter ) as the Provari? Of course, when they designed it, it was a world full of 510-type atomizers, no 22mm beasts, but even then, a 510 atomizer looked crappy on the Provari just because of the difference in size. But things change, no matter what the guys at Provape think.
- yes, the chinese products are more or less cheaply made, but they improve as we're talking, just look at the recent mechanical mods or clones, and how dramatically the materials and machining quality improved for some of them.
In some way, Provari at the moment reminds me of the Pila chargers, once the best, now surpassed by others like xtar and they still don't seem to care to come up with something new (that is, if the company still exists, not quite sure about this).
Am I a Provari hater? No way, it's a nice product, but unless the Provape guys take a look at what people want or need, I'm afraid the future is not that bright for them.
Heh... the Provari is exactly what most people want. A durable unit that is repairable, no matter how old or beat up it is, for as long as the company exists (and judging by its fanbase, it's going to exist a long time).
Case in point, I bought an itaste 134, and it NEVER worked right. I'm not going to list my litany of woes with it, and I'm sure I just got a fluke defective unit. The problem is... WHAT DO I DO NOW? It's BRAND NEW. I paid over $100 for it. It's BROKEN.
I wrote to Innokin. I posted on their FB. I did not buy it from a vendor (tho I paid the same thing via coop as from a vendor during Christmas sales), so I'm out of luck, because for some bizarro reason, warranties only matter if they are from a vendor. So I spent well over $100 for something brand new that I can throw in the garbage can, that I did not get more than 5 minutes of use out of, and very poor use because it was defective. Yes, I'm still ...... about it. I'm not done exploring my options either.
Provape fixes their units no matter how many owners it's had, no questions asked. There's no need for a receipt, you pay a few dollars for repair and they will fix it. This is called 'peace of mind'. For someone who's economy minded and doesn't have a bottomless pocketful of money, this level of service is why people buy Provari.
If you do have a pocketful of money, then you'd buy a Provari in ADDITION to anything else. Not sure why it would be mutually exclusive?
As for 'surpassed'... I've seen nothing that 'surpasses' a Provari. It's a 'toolbox' item. It's like getting tired of owning a screwdriver. How does that happen?
I understand your position Glassgal, but Provari is exactly what most people want 90% because of the hype, not because it is like some describe it, the best thing since the inventing of the wheel.
I'm not saying Provari is bad as it is, on the contrary, my issues with it are the lack of innovative spirit of the company (now don't tell me it's just perfect so it can't and shouldn't be updated, there's no such thing) and a design which to me is simply boring.
The guys at Provape don't have a real competition because no manufacturer is really interested in VV-only devices anymore, the vast majority of the vapers want VW, that's what all companies are focusing on.
Oh btw ''as for surpassed'' - I was talking about the Pila chargers.
I'm not saying Provari is bad as it is, on the contrary, my issues with it are the lack of innovative spirit of the company (now don't tell me it's just perfect so it can't and shouldn't be updated, there's no such thing) and a design which to me is simply boring.
The guys at Provape don't have a real competition because no manufacturer is really interested in VV-only devices anymore, the vast majority of the vapers want VW, that's what all companies are focusing on.
Oh btw ''as for surpassed'' - I was talking about the Pila chargers.
I understand your position Glassgal, but Provari is exactly what most people want 90% because of the hype, not because it is like some describe it, the best thing since the inventing of the wheel.
I'm not saying Provari is bad as it is, on the contrary, my issues with it are the lack of innovative spirit of the company (now don't tell me it's just perfect so it can't and shouldn't be updated, there's no such thing) and a design which to me is simply boring.
The guys at Provape don't have a real competition because no manufacturer is really interested in VV-only devices anymore, the vast majority of the vapers want VW, that's what all companies are focusing on.
Oh btw ''as for surpassed'' - I was talking about the Pila chargers.
You are mistaken on many levels. The Provari is not a fad item that 'hype' has anything to do with it. Tell me, what would you do if your itaste 134 breaks? What about your Semovar? The only units that would or could repair their units are the super high end mods, ones that cost far more than Provari, and not even all of those.
I would postulate, again, that the Provari IS the best thing in vaping, comparable to inventing the wheel. It's not the latest and greatest. It's a battery. It works. It will always work, because if it didn't, you can get it fixed so it does.
Most Provari owners don't want inovation that can break. Considering that most other companies already do that, why should Provari follow the herd anyway? I hope they are still making them EXACTLY as it is now 10 years from now.
I can see you are from Romania, so you may not have the same mindset as I do... you see, it's the same mindset that makes Americans not switch to the metric system WE invented. We get stuck on certain things, and I use VV on units that offer both VW and VV too. The only VW only unit I bought, the itaste 134 arrived a broken POS. That's not a good recommendation for me to try VW, so I won't.
I'm moving into custom mech mods at this point. VW will not be among my list of wants, and I frankly don't want to know what I'm missing, just like I don't care what the temperature outside is in Celsius
.Lol, yes, I'm from Romania, nothing to do with the metric system or the Celsius/Fahrenheit debate
About my mindset, there's not a lot of difference, I just want quality like anybody else (never owned a Chinese regulated mod, probably never will until they come up with consistent quality). To us Europeans, quality is usually described as Made in Germany for tools, Made in Italy for clothing, Made in France for perfumes and Swiss Made for timepieces. Or Made in Romania for vaping mods (see MarkBugs for instance).
I'm sorry but if Provari doesn't change anything, they will not be there anymore in 10 years to create something.
Not sure if I got it right, you say that as an American, you get stuck on things, but evolution is just natural, you can't be nostalgic about tools, never wanting them to change, otherwise we'd be still stuck to medieval technology or worse
Almost forgot: I'm totally into mech mods, if you go this way you'll never regret it, and you can still keep a Provari for those nostalgic moments...
About my mindset, there's not a lot of difference, I just want quality like anybody else (never owned a Chinese regulated mod, probably never will until they come up with consistent quality). To us Europeans, quality is usually described as Made in Germany for tools, Made in Italy for clothing, Made in France for perfumes and Swiss Made for timepieces. Or Made in Romania for vaping mods (see MarkBugs for instance).
I'm sorry but if Provari doesn't change anything, they will not be there anymore in 10 years to create something.
Not sure if I got it right, you say that as an American, you get stuck on things, but evolution is just natural, you can't be nostalgic about tools, never wanting them to change, otherwise we'd be still stuck to medieval technology or worse
Almost forgot: I'm totally into mech mods, if you go this way you'll never regret it, and you can still keep a Provari for those nostalgic moments...
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Lol, yes, I'm from Romania, nothing to do with the metric system or the Celsius/Fahrenheit debate
About my mindset, there's not a lot of difference, I just want quality like anybody else (never owned a Chinese regulated mod, probably never will until they come up with consistent quality). To us Europeans, quality is usually described as Made in Germany for tools, Made in Italy for clothing, Made in France for perfumes and Swiss Made for timepieces. Or Made in Romania for vaping mods (see MarkBugs for instance).
I'm sorry but if Provari doesn't change anything, they will not be there anymore in 10 years to create something.
Not sure if I got it right, you say that as an American, you get stuck on things, but evolution is just natural, you can't be nostalgic about tools, never wanting them to change, otherwise we'd be still stuck to medieval technology or worse
I can agree with you for quality standards for many of the items you listed. The thing about the Provari isn't that it's THE BEST quality. It'd better not be, because there's be zero market for ANY battery that cost more than $200 if that were true, and we all know about $3000 Otto Carver batteries, among other expensive ones.
Actually... ALL the European VW batteries cost more than Provari. You'd have no market whatsoever if Provari were perceived as the MOST expensive, and it's not even close.
I point out again that Provari is a tool. Its reliability and durability, easily and inexpensively repair ability is the backbone of its popularity. It is not the most beautiful, the most elegant, the most sleek, the most expensive, the most fashionable battery. I don't see any claims that it is. It just works. It keeps working. And if it stopped working, you can get it fixed... cheap. You can throw it out the window, you can run it over with a car, you can hit someone over the head with it, and if you break it, you can send it in for repairs, cheap. And, it's so cheap, you can buy another one without remorse, at the price of one month's worth of cigarettes.
It's like an American Jeep. It's a tool. It's not beautiful, it's rugged. You are comparing apples to oranges here. People will always do as you have, bought more than 1 battery, based on fashion, based on new features, etc. But everyone needs at least 1 Provari in that collection. If all you can afford is 1 battery, it should be a Provari for the above reasons. I doubt anyone buys a Provari because it's sexy.
And you know, speaking of Swiss, I wear a Rado. Not a Rolex, not a Petit Philippe. Why? Because I don't have to remember it's there ever, nor is there a condition I have to ever take it off. It doesn't scratch (ceramic and sapphire glass), it doesn't break. The American mindset is just more sensible and less elegant than the European in general I think. If Provape doesn't make these anymore, Provari will just become as sought after as US made '60s Mustangs. And as Techno pointed out, Provari, at 3 years old and very little change, is still outselling every other PV on the market from what I'm seeing.
DOES the wheel shape need to be changed? When was the last time you saw someone improve the shape of a wheel and call it better?
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