well said. i might add that smoking is doing a pretty good job too to draw new people to smoking.
Is vaping a new form of addiction ?
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well said. i might add that smoking is doing a pretty good job too to draw new people to smoking.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
We always trade one habit/addiction for another.
Good or bad.
We always trade one habit/addiction for another.
Good or bad.
1) Vaping is bad in what kind of way? I really cannot think of any.. Unless of course, you add, abuse, or do something to it that makes it bad.
2) Negative articles written by who?, and are they really credible? do you read those and view them as gospel?
3) Drawing young people into a (HABIT) on a money spending search for the ultimate cloud of flavor, I think that's ridiculous.
a lot of folks who come here are half brainwashed when they first arrive..
It's OK - bear with us, some of us are going thru smoking withdrawals as we speak.
Some people use vaping in my mind to get a different nic delivery because its my experience that many just vape instead of smoking its in the users hands
Couldn't have said it better myself. Ecigs got me off analogs when nothing else would. I may have traded one addiction for another but am healthier for it. It is much better for "the kids" to pick up vaping than drugs.
Us former smokers put up with vaping.. It is not always an easy to do vice, we have to make it work.. We need the nicotine..
The kids need the copper and chinese stainless mods, the chi you clones and blings and stuff.. They are not after the nicotine stimulant..It's not worth it.
The kids need the copper and chinese stainless mods, the chi you clones and blings and stuff.. They are not after the nicotine stimulant..It's not worth it.
The intake of nicotine through vaping is not the same as smoking. At least for me.
Used too I could wait an extra hour or two in the morning after waking up,light a cigarette and get a huge body buzz and get nice and tingly which I think was more from the chemicals in cigarettes a d also just from lack of o2. More than likely from the rapid input of straight up poison, no, not nicotine, but carbon monoxide, the result of burning paper leaves and stems.
Vaping nicotine does not give me that buzz. Since their is no carbon monoxide being made from combustion there is no "buzz" from vaped nicotine.and if I try to get that buzz, lol I only get a headache.
Vaping is nicotine withdrawal maintenance.albeit much more healthier and less harmful.
Used too I could wait an extra hour or two in the morning after waking up,light a cigarette and get a huge body buzz and get nice and tingly which I think was more from the chemicals in cigarettes a d also just from lack of o2. More than likely from the rapid input of straight up poison, no, not nicotine, but carbon monoxide, the result of burning paper leaves and stems.
Vaping nicotine does not give me that buzz. Since their is no carbon monoxide being made from combustion there is no "buzz" from vaped nicotine.and if I try to get that buzz, lol I only get a headache.
Vaping is nicotine withdrawal maintenance.albeit much more healthier and less harmful.
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addiction, not so much... as pointed out smokers that switch may be classified as swapping one addiction for another. but as new vapers join the ranks are they really addicted? a new vaper that never smoked is really the only concern, since I am sure most of us here agree ex-smokers are by far better off vaping than smoking...
New vapers (that NEVER smoked) come in several categories, those that would have smoked but didn't due to health concerns, those that vape only zero nicotine, and those that vape nicotine. many arguments prevail on whether the latter are choosing a risk laden addictive habit, despite what is known about nicotine. personally I'm convinced there is extremely little risk to adults, along the same lines as drinking coffee. consider that there is comparably little effort to prevent tobacco, alcohol, and ......... use , vs e-cigarette use. seems a bit myopic
New vapers (that NEVER smoked) come in several categories, those that would have smoked but didn't due to health concerns, those that vape only zero nicotine, and those that vape nicotine. many arguments prevail on whether the latter are choosing a risk laden addictive habit, despite what is known about nicotine. personally I'm convinced there is extremely little risk to adults, along the same lines as drinking coffee. consider that there is comparably little effort to prevent tobacco, alcohol, and ......... use , vs e-cigarette use. seems a bit myopic
Jules - I never said that vaping was bad in any kind of way - for me and other smokers trying to kick analogs. I made it clear in my initial post that it has helped me kick a 60 year addiction (habit) and as an alternative to analogs, it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. As good as it has been for me, it is also my opinion (everyone has at least one of those) that it is very foolish for young people to start vaping because it is the "cool" thing to do and it tastes just like watermelon, etc. I will maintain that opinion until I see tests done that verify that vaping is completely safe.
The negatives that I am talking about come from the likes of soon to be ex-mayor Bloomberg in NYC, who is claiming that the sweet flavors being put out there by the manufacturers are targeting young people. And he is probably right. The bad part is that he is using this as a reason to try to stop the sale of all ecig sales in NYC. That is a fact and this fact has been published in many newspapers and it's credibility is in the eye of the reader.
I agree with this but I think the kids that will pick them up will most likely pick them up
One of the arguments the naysayers use is the candy like flavors will attract children.
1: the mini mart disposables I have seen are only tobacco or menthol flavored.
2: If the kids want flavors they have to either go to a vape shop (which would not sell to anyone under 18) or buy off the internet, needing a credit card.
3: The "cool" stuff is expensive.
4: Refilling carto's or tanks takes time, no instant gratification.
At best, I can see someone who is 16 with a part time job being able to afford to buy an APV, maybe getting an 18 year old friend to buy the supplies. Why go thru all that hassle and expense when they can get their hands on a pack of smokes with much less effort?
I accept that teens are very different now than when my kids were teens, my kids are in their 30's, my oldest grandchild is 11, he is far more computer savvy than I am, so maybe I am wearing rose colored glasses.
Just my
1: the mini mart disposables I have seen are only tobacco or menthol flavored.
2: If the kids want flavors they have to either go to a vape shop (which would not sell to anyone under 18) or buy off the internet, needing a credit card.
3: The "cool" stuff is expensive.
4: Refilling carto's or tanks takes time, no instant gratification.
At best, I can see someone who is 16 with a part time job being able to afford to buy an APV, maybe getting an 18 year old friend to buy the supplies. Why go thru all that hassle and expense when they can get their hands on a pack of smokes with much less effort?
I accept that teens are very different now than when my kids were teens, my kids are in their 30's, my oldest grandchild is 11, he is far more computer savvy than I am, so maybe I am wearing rose colored glasses.
Just my
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I've known people that had quit smoking for many years. The longest being 7 years. For whatever reason, they went back to smoking. I would encourage a former smoker to get an ecig instead of going back to cigarettes. If your former smoker friend is asking you about ecigs, that person is/has thought about buying cigarettes. Which would you rather they do?
As far as never smokers getting into ecigs, I wish ecigs had been around when I made the choice to smoke. There is a part of me that agrees with those that say they should never try ecigs. And then there is the part that says who in the hell am I to tell someone what they can or can't do? Aren't we fighting those that are trying to tell us that we can't/shouldn't vape?
*shoulder shrug* The only thing I am absolute on is that minors should not. Aaaaand then I remember how old I was when I started smoking.
16..... A minor.
I'm torn on this subject. I don't feel that there is a black and white answer.
As far as never smokers getting into ecigs, I wish ecigs had been around when I made the choice to smoke. There is a part of me that agrees with those that say they should never try ecigs. And then there is the part that says who in the hell am I to tell someone what they can or can't do? Aren't we fighting those that are trying to tell us that we can't/shouldn't vape?
*shoulder shrug* The only thing I am absolute on is that minors should not. Aaaaand then I remember how old I was when I started smoking.
16..... A minor. I'm torn on this subject. I don't feel that there is a black and white answer.
I don't think and this is just my opinion...that vaping is a new addiction. I've met and talked to a lot of vapers and I haven't many any yet who were never smokers and decided to take up vaping so I can't ask them why or what made them start. However, it would seem likely that if they didn't start vaping they would have went to tobacco cigarettes instead. That includes minors. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get information out there that tells minors how starting vaping is not a good idea, but then again most teens seem to experiment with many things whether the information is out there or not. The question to ask is would they have started smoking cigarettes instead? It is very likely. I have 3 children and 2 of them are teenagers. When I drop my teenagers off at school, I pass a church where every morning there must be a crowd of at least 30 kids smoking away. I was a teen in the 90's when the smoking rate was way up for teenagers. I think my kid's generation might have surpassed us 90's kids. The amount of them that smoke is huge. Plus kids are really good these days at being sneaky.
But as parents and adults who vape I have talked with all of my children that while vaping has been a great alternative to my husband and I stopping smoking it is still addictive and just how addictive nicotine can be. Thankfully so far both my teenagers hate smoking and they are 13 and 15.
Now for adults who are vaping I have heard a lot of the vapers will start out at a high amount of nicotine and then go down a little each time. My husband started out a 18mgs and is now at 6mgs. I have heard this from other people as well.
But as parents and adults who vape I have talked with all of my children that while vaping has been a great alternative to my husband and I stopping smoking it is still addictive and just how addictive nicotine can be. Thankfully so far both my teenagers hate smoking and they are 13 and 15.
Now for adults who are vaping I have heard a lot of the vapers will start out at a high amount of nicotine and then go down a little each time. My husband started out a 18mgs and is now at 6mgs. I have heard this from other people as well.
I meant to say...that vaping is NOT a new addiction.
Typos always at night LOL
Typos always at night LOL
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In the main stream of life, the reality is we all are creatures of habit . Some good , some bad.
As for addiction, we are all addicts.
Be it tobacco , ejuice, coffee, drugs, alcohol, money, sex, work, money, being neat, being a slob, money,,,,etc.....
I look at it all as habits. And as I said some are bad, some are really bad, and a few are good.
Stay true, find peace , and
VAPE ON
As for addiction, we are all addicts.
Be it tobacco , ejuice, coffee, drugs, alcohol, money, sex, work, money, being neat, being a slob, money,,,,etc.....
I look at it all as habits. And as I said some are bad, some are really bad, and a few are good.
Stay true, find peace , and
VAPE ON
Well, I have 2 kids, and one smokes and the other doesn't. There is no question that I wish the one that smokes vapes instead....
I think certain people just need an addiction. If you had to choose between them, would you prefer vaping or smoking? While some kids may actually start vaping who didn't smoke, my money would be on those same kids smoking cigarettes anyway.
It is unbelievable to me how many kids are smoking now. Among my smoking son's friends (college age), 9 of 10 are smokers. That's a much harder habit to kick than vaping. If a kid were to start vaping to fit in with his smoking friends, he could easily vape non-nicotine juices, there are no non-nicotine cigs...
I think certain people just need an addiction. If you had to choose between them, would you prefer vaping or smoking? While some kids may actually start vaping who didn't smoke, my money would be on those same kids smoking cigarettes anyway.
It is unbelievable to me how many kids are smoking now. Among my smoking son's friends (college age), 9 of 10 are smokers. That's a much harder habit to kick than vaping. If a kid were to start vaping to fit in with his smoking friends, he could easily vape non-nicotine juices, there are no non-nicotine cigs...
There is an old book of wisdom that states.
" there is nothing new under the sun"..
Teenagers now as when ANY of us were teenagers have the need to "be cool", "Look cool" "peer pressure" etc..etc..and it will be that way for all kids until children stop being born.
This is to say that the next generation after us is always learning faster and quicker than us. Just as we did compared to our parents, and they with theirs due to increase in learning and knowledge at an earlier age due to discoveries from the earlier generation.
If kids (like we were) want to get ahold of something that is ("insert bad habit here) like we were able to accomplish then by golly they will get ahold of it..
The only thing we can hope to do as our parents and grand parents did with us is to equip them with enough knowledge and wisdom to be able to distinguish between those things which aren't good for their emotional or physical growth. It is out job to educate OUR children in the Wiley ways of the world.
Will they fall into traps on some level, like we did ,of course.
And we learned the hard way too.what makes anyone think the next generation will not fall into any?
They, like us as teenagers knew we "knew it all" . It's part of growing up and we all experienced it. Now maybe those seeds our parents and grandparents planted didn't actually start to take root until later, but it did bring us an awareness eventually on some level of the human condition and our own. This is where unconditional love comes in..
Ok May of digressed a bit from my original point. But the fact is, if its there and someone wants it, they will find a way to get it..
That doesn't mean we have to make it easy by any means, and we don't condone it.
Nevertheless if we just realize that it is a natural part of growing to experiment and to make mistakes, and we know this because we did, then we will be better able to express ourselves to that generation, and to be a bit more calmer about it.
If kids wanted nicotine for the sake of nicotine, why smoke, just have a buddy go by some patches or gum and slap a few on their a**..
Sorry for the speech, but if I see a kid under age vaping, I will just ask him why. And although he/she may not answer me with a good answer, I wasn't really looking for an answer, only to get them to ask themselves the question and work it out for themselves.
Like we did ..
" there is nothing new under the sun"..
Teenagers now as when ANY of us were teenagers have the need to "be cool", "Look cool" "peer pressure" etc..etc..and it will be that way for all kids until children stop being born.
This is to say that the next generation after us is always learning faster and quicker than us. Just as we did compared to our parents, and they with theirs due to increase in learning and knowledge at an earlier age due to discoveries from the earlier generation.
If kids (like we were) want to get ahold of something that is ("insert bad habit here) like we were able to accomplish then by golly they will get ahold of it..
The only thing we can hope to do as our parents and grand parents did with us is to equip them with enough knowledge and wisdom to be able to distinguish between those things which aren't good for their emotional or physical growth. It is out job to educate OUR children in the Wiley ways of the world.
Will they fall into traps on some level, like we did ,of course.
And we learned the hard way too.what makes anyone think the next generation will not fall into any?
They, like us as teenagers knew we "knew it all" . It's part of growing up and we all experienced it. Now maybe those seeds our parents and grandparents planted didn't actually start to take root until later, but it did bring us an awareness eventually on some level of the human condition and our own. This is where unconditional love comes in..
Ok May of digressed a bit from my original point. But the fact is, if its there and someone wants it, they will find a way to get it..
That doesn't mean we have to make it easy by any means, and we don't condone it.
Nevertheless if we just realize that it is a natural part of growing to experiment and to make mistakes, and we know this because we did, then we will be better able to express ourselves to that generation, and to be a bit more calmer about it.
If kids wanted nicotine for the sake of nicotine, why smoke, just have a buddy go by some patches or gum and slap a few on their a**..
Sorry for the speech, but if I see a kid under age vaping, I will just ask him why. And although he/she may not answer me with a good answer, I wasn't really looking for an answer, only to get them to ask themselves the question and work it out for themselves.
Like we did ..
Submitting the amount of time I've spent on this forum and the money I've spent in the 3-4 months since I started vaping. It is certainly an addiction. Strong psychological one to the act and somewhat to the nicotine as well. But better than the alternative from which most of us came.
Totally agree, vaping is without question healthier than smoking a cigarette. That alone makes it superior.
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