Is vaping a new form of addiction ?

[Worzel]

Right now, as I type, a two year kid is ordered their first cup of sweet tea with a Happy Meal. Right now, as we speak, a teenager is drinking their first cup of coffee at Denny's. Right now, a kid is cracking open their first can of Mountain Dew. Are the Twinkies back yet? Everything causes diabetes and cancer nowadays. My hubby is 41, and has had two friends die of cancer in the past 3 years. I smoked, therefore, I will die. Heck, I was born, so therefore I will die. It has been said over and over on this forum, there are worse habits out there, proven worse habits out there. If they ban vaping, many of us may go back to smoking, unfortunately. And if all of a sudden, the CDC and FDA see a sudden jump of people smoking again, because vaping is gone, will they ban smoking! NO! Have they banned feeding kids Happy Meals and sweet tea? Nope. Have they banned sales of energy drinks to minors? Coffee? No. How long has vaping been around? And there are just now talks of formal testing of e cigs?

The studies are out about energy drinks, but still no ban, or at least no ban on selling them to minors. E cigs are a known threat to BT and BP. That's all there is to it. If flavors are found to be bad, that is either a risk we will have to take, or go unflavored.

http://http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2008/09_24_08.html

Energy Drink Consumption Now A Serious Public Health Concern

 

[RosaJ]

We also need to realize that to many (uninformed) people (and honestly, do we really 100% know the answer to this ourselves?), vaping *could* produce a danger/some form of exposure to non-vapers in the area. We really don't have a bottom line yet, scientifically, on whether nicotine, the PV and the flavors enter the air around us to a degree that others sensitive to those ingredients could have some sort of a reaction; and if so, just how much.

Yes, we do, please visit the CASAA website and search for the Burstyn/Drexel peer reviewed study.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Yes, we do, please visit the CASAA website and search for the Burstyn/Drexel peer reviewed study.

I thought it wasn't 100% conclusive? There was a thread about it...I will go back and re-read!

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Right now, as I type, a two year kid is ordered their first cup of sweet tea with a Happy Meal. Right now, as we speak, a teenager is drinking their first cup of coffee at Denny's. Right now, a kid is cracking open their first can of Mountain Dew. Are the Twinkies back yet? Everything causes diabetes and cancer nowadays. My hubby is 41, and has had two friends die of cancer in the past 3 years. I smoked, therefore, I will die. Heck, I was born, so therefore I will die. It has been said over and over on this forum, there are worse habits out there, proven worse habits out there. If they ban vaping, many of us may go back to smoking, unfortunately. And if all of a sudden, the CDC and FDA see a sudden jump of people smoking again, because vaping is gone, will they ban smoking! NO! Have they banned feeding kids Happy Meals and sweet tea? Nope. Have they banned sales of energy drinks to minors? Coffee? No. How long has vaping been around? And there are just now talks of formal testing of e cigs?

The studies are out about energy drinks, but still no ban, or at least no ban on selling them to minors. E cigs are a known threat to BT and BP. That's all there is to it. If flavors are found to be bad, that is either a risk we will have to take, or go unflavored.

http://http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2008/09_24_08.html

Proposed bans of all types regarding "unhealthy" (a wiggly and hard to put a finger on category) foods are in the news all the time, though. Food choices are taking a lot of prospective heat just as e-cigs are.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

I thought it wasn't 100% conclusive? There was a thread about it...I will go back and re-read!

Okay, yup, see, that was funded by CASAA. (As I said, an unbiased, or as close as possible to it, study is the way to go.) People are going to claim it was somehow biased just as we'll claim that negative studies funded by the FDA are biased in an opposite way.

It's a good start, though. ETA: And GREAT news for us vapers.

 

[Worzel]

Proposed bans of all types regarding "unhealthy" (a wiggly and hard to put a finger on category) foods are in the news all the time, though. Food choices are taking a lot of prospective heat just as e-cigs are.

I just think we need to tell our doctors that we vape, and let them form an opinion. If vaping is detrimental to our health, our doctors will let us know, they know our bodies. If vaping is helping people with medical issues, then that will be documented too.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

I just think we need to tell our doctors that we vape, and let them form an opinion. If vaping is detrimental to our health, our doctors will let us know, they know our bodies. If vaping is helping people with medical issues, then that will be documented too.

Yup, I haven't told my doctor yet (the subject has never come up and she just assumes that I'm a non-smoker...which I am), but I have heard from a few people that they were told by their doctors to vape v. smoking, and that's a positive for vaping.

 

[Worzel]

I went to the doctor a couple of months ago. I told him I vape, he said congrats! Last year, my hubby went to the cardiologist, and he asked if anyone smoked in the house, I told him I vape instead, and he told me "Good Job!" I just find it funny how our government is so up in arms about vaping, yet, small children are allowed to have Coca Cola in their bottles.

 

[patkin]

Addiction? Definition please. Any dieter/diabetic/allergic person knows how hard it is to give up their favorite foods/sweets. Is it because they're addicted to them? Nictotine being the most addictive substance is just ANTZ crap. If it was then nic gum and patches would work and, for most, they don't and they're higher in nic than most smokers at least get. I recently talked with a vape shop owner who chews Copenhagen and he said smoking just doesn't do it for him aanymore than vaping does. Why? Because he's used to the mouth feel. I've also talked to smokers who've said vaping just isn't the same as smoking and doesn't satisfy them. All this is to say smokes, pipes, cigars, chew, SNUS and, potentially, vaping can all become habits for sure but not necessarily addiction to nicotine if you're talking physical addiction to a substance. Based on how each nic delivery method differs so much, its ridiculous to think that vaping would lead a non-smoker into smoking. They ARE different.

 

[TinaHelgen]

I understand someone wanting to start this if they used to smoke and are still tempted by smoking, it is a much better option. Lets face it, most of us have quite smoking several times and have always been tempted. It is no different than an alcoholic forever being tempted by the drink. This is a good alternative to starting smoking again and even with this many slip back into smoking occasionally, I did.

I do not think it is wise for someone who has never smoke and not addicted to nicotine to pick up this habit though, mainly because there really is no need and even if they vape 0 nic juice it can become an addiction mentally.

just my thoughts.

 

[patkin]

Addiction is an ANTZ buzz word... sounds terrible... right? For propaganda to work it has to make a big impact with words. The FACT is that anything CAN become a habit/obsession/compulsion... all mental and NOT physical. But "habit" won't work for the intended agenda of propaganda mills.

 

[LaziDaze]

I went to the doctor a couple of months ago. I told him I vape, he said congrats! Last year, my hubby went to the cardiologist, and he asked if anyone smoked in the house, I told him I vape instead, and he told me "Good Job!" I just find it funny how our government is so up in arms about vaping, yet, small children are allowed to have Coca Cola in their bottles.

I have had many conversations with my cardiologist regarding my smoking in the past. He used to tell me that if I couldn't stop, then at least try to cut back. Which I had been trying to do for years - not so easy.

About a year after I switched to vaping and after an exam, he told me that my heart seemed to be getting stronger. When I told him that I had switched to vaping, he said it was a very wise move and I should definitely stick with it. As a patient with congestive heart failure, it was great news.

 

[Uma]

Here's another cardiologist who is taking the time to study, research, publish his findings on cigs and nicotine both.
Oh, and yes, he even takes the time to straighten out messes that others like France and CDC make.
Research

 

[Robino1]

Okay, yup, see, that was funded by CASAA. (As I said, an unbiased, or as close as possible to it, study is the way to go.) People are going to claim it was somehow biased just as we'll claim that negative studies funded by the FDA are biased in an opposite way.

It's a good start, though. ETA: And GREAT news for us vapers.

I thought I should clarify this. CASAA paid an unbiased professor that has no stake in whether E-cigs should be banned or used. He doesn't care one way or the other. He looked at and analyzed all the data and studies that had been done to date. Even those that were misrepresented by the FDA years ago. He even analyzed the data done by the ANTZ.

CASAA agreed to report whatever conclusion he came to after doing his analysis. Whether it went against vaping or not.

An unbiased report. Who do you think funds the studies that come out against vaping? They've used data and twisted it to come out on their side. And you can be sure that the ANTZ are using people that are in favor of the ANTZ view.

You should read the study that was done, if you haven't. I'm assuming you just read the press release that CASAA put out that told of what the study concluded.

 

[patkin]

My cardiologist and GP are both very happy with my iimproved health since replacing smokes with vapes.

Edit: Oh, and so am I!

 

[bobitize]

I would like to say I have quit my addiction to nicotine, but I can't say that yet. I can't go back either because the cig taste has become irrelevant. Just don't want to be dependant on this pv device forever. I see as a great substitution though. It is like starting off with an 8-bit Nintendo, then to a Super Nintendo, Xbox, ....... whatever the new gaming system is or will be. That's my 2 cents.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh course Vaping is an Addiction for Most people.

Easy Test: Put you PV on the Kitchen Table tonight when you go to Sleep. Then leave it there All Day Untouched.

If you Don't Feel Any Different, You are Not Addicted.

If you Do Feel Different, well, You Probably are Addicted to Using an e-Cigarette.

 

[bobitize]

Oh course Vaping is an Addiction for Most people.

Easy Test: Put you PV on the Kitchen Table tonight when you go to Sleep. Then leave it there All Day Untouched.

If you Don't Feel Any Different, You are Not Addicted.

If you Do Feel Different, well, You Probably are Addicted to Using an e-Cigarette.

Bingo that has to be the line of the show right here!!!

 

[7sixtwo]

There are different kinds of addictions, both physical and psychological.

For some, the latter can be just as strong and compelling as the former. Many smokers fall into that group, which is why, for these people, the patch and gum are not effective replacements for analogs.

Ultimately though, I don't really care why anyone vapes or does not. Unless they're harming someone else, it's their body and their business alone. Gubmint has no right to make those decisions for individuals, nor does "society", nor do you or I.

 

[TinaHelgen]

Oh I am absolutely addicted to vaping, no doubt about it. I freak out if I misplace my pv and can't imagine going a day without it. Not saying this is the case for everyone, but it sure is for me.

That being said, it is obviously a far better addiction than smoking.