And if it wasn't vaping and you weren't smoking it would be as we all hopefully realize. something else.
Is vaping a new form of addiction ?
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And if it wasn't vaping and you weren't smoking it would be as we all hopefully realize. something else.
E-nic is a continuation of a 20 year old addiction for me, not a new one. It is a new delivery system for my addiction- nicotine and the act of smoking.
No kidding. I stopped sucking my thumb when I got Braces at age 13. Less than a year later I was smoking. Now I vape and smoke.
It only takes one person to start a revolution.
Simple: To prevent them from relapsing.
I know a lot of smokers who quit... and come back to smoking again and again. When they do their first thought isn't "Oh, if I just slap on a patch again it will be all better." Even years after quitting there is still something they crave about the smoking experience. At least this time around they have a better option than just returning to smoking.
I know one smoker who has managed to quit, cold turkey, and three years later is still quit. It only took her six+ previous attempts over a ten year period to get there. You bet I told her what vaping was all about. And you bet, even after three years, I'm still keeping an eye on her regarding a smoking relapse. (The first year and a half she went around pretty much begging people to blow smoke in her face...)
Yes, I am addicted. Yes, it is a now a hobby. I enjoy this lifestyle. I see no reason to alter my behavior.
I'm not addicted to Vapeing, I like to think of it as a habit/hobby that I just simply adore. I'm not about to change it either.
I know 4 people who quit smoking using various other methods. 2 are still quit after 7-8 years now, but the other 2 went back to analogs after a 10 year absence. Shame...... I'm trying to get them into Vapeing without being pushy about it.
On another note a buddy at work just started Vapeing. That's about 15 converts for me, losing count can be a good thing.
I know 4 people who quit smoking using various other methods. 2 are still quit after 7-8 years now, but the other 2 went back to analogs after a 10 year absence. Shame...... I'm trying to get them into Vapeing without being pushy about it.
On another note a buddy at work just started Vapeing. That's about 15 converts for me, losing count can be a good thing.
I can't see non-smokers starting a nic habit via vaping. I just can't. They're going to grab a cig off a friend and smoke one, and then become addicted or not. Cigs are utilized much more than vapes, they're easy, like I said, you can bum "just one," and without the added addictive ingredients as are in analogs, vapes probably won't produce that near-instantaneous need for more more more.
I mean you don't see people bumming a nic gum off a friend just to "try it" and you don't see people saying, "Can I borrow one of those Nicoderm patches just to try?" If anyone ever "just tries" some form of nicotine, it's generally an analog or a piece of chewing tobacco (yuck). It's something very firmly in "tobacco territory" -- not nic replacements/pure nic delivery systems, and vapes basically are that (except 0mgs, of course, but nobody is going to get addicted to those, so that's sort of moot).
Just my opinion.
I mean you don't see people bumming a nic gum off a friend just to "try it" and you don't see people saying, "Can I borrow one of those Nicoderm patches just to try?" If anyone ever "just tries" some form of nicotine, it's generally an analog or a piece of chewing tobacco (yuck). It's something very firmly in "tobacco territory" -- not nic replacements/pure nic delivery systems, and vapes basically are that (except 0mgs, of course, but nobody is going to get addicted to those, so that's sort of moot).
Just my opinion.
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Personally, i would not even mention vaping nicotine to a non smoker even of consenting age since im not 100% sure its 100% safe every time. Im sure its far safer than smoking tobacco. Assuming an adult wanted to try a no nic based vapor system, thats up to them to decide and i see no problem with it. I probably still would not encourage them to start but if they enjoyed it, im sure we could find some common interests in vaping to talk about.
It helped me stop smoking and thats all i really care about and i hope it helps others too. I have lowered the nic in my juice but its still not what most people would consider low. Someday it might be lower or it may not. Im not going to worry about that atm.
It helped me stop smoking and thats all i really care about and i hope it helps others too. I have lowered the nic in my juice but its still not what most people would consider low. Someday it might be lower or it may not. Im not going to worry about that atm.
His friend, even after a year, may still be having a hard time staying off the analogs. Betteer to start vaping than smoking again.
All that, and the reality that burning processed tobacco is inherently a much more addictive substance than vaping plain nicotine. Smoking produces a vicious cycle of releasing MAOI's that results in brain cravings for the experience. The nicotine you get is an added stimulant that comes along for the ride. The thrill seekers have a hard time letting go of the increased heart rate produced from the carbon monoxide as your circulatory system freaks out. And stuff like that... There's a lot less to get addicted to from the vaping experience. I really don't see people getting hooked on vaping the way they can with their very first pack of cigarettes.
Judging from this thread, I'd have to say yes:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/468755-do-you-voop.html
Seriously???
Listen to this Trained Addiction Professor. His U-Tube Video is awsome, "There's No Such Thing as "Addiction" to Electronic Cigarettes!"
There's No Such Thing as "Addiction" to Electronic Cigarettes! - YouTube
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There's No Such Thing as "Addiction" to Electronic Cigarettes! - YouTube
Ken Antos
Fr. Jack Kearney is the professor and maybe the Vid link did not show up on previous post. Search for his name.
OK, this is going to sound crazy, but here is another perspective. Maybe vaping is just what kids today need! Teenagers will always try to do things to mimic adult behavior. They start off sneaking smokes from their parents, older siblings etc. They like to look kool and think smoking makes them look mature. Well, vaping may satisfy that need and whats the harm? We think nothing of giving them soft drinks laden with caffeine and all sorts of chemicals, not to mention snack chips, loaded with fat and chemicals and candy to fatten them up and maybe doom them to a life with diabetes. And we get all defensive when the kid wants to vape! I say let em vape! Whats the harm. If it keeps them from smoking and maybe keeps them from snacking to death on chips and candy, I say great!
Also we need to stop calling them ecigs. Doesn't help the image!
Also we need to stop calling them ecigs. Doesn't help the image!
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You know...not a bad point, if we're operating here from the POV that addictive personalities will find an addiction somewhere. If this is all the kids do, then they may not be so badly off. Basically they'll be getting the equivalent of drinking a bunch of coffee depending on how much/how high a strength they vape.
And they would almost certainly be avoiding a whole host of analog health issues.
I think that people can do whatever the heck they want with their bodies. It isn't for me to decide, and it certainly isn't for the FDA to decide! If people want to start vaping instead of taking up smoking, I don't see any propblem with that. They are doing much less harm to themselves than they would have otherwise, and they are becoming part of a community that, in my opinion, needs to be larger so that our voice can be heard when our PVs are being legislated right out of our hands! If people who never would have smoked want to start vaping, as pointless as it seems to me, they can choose to do what they wish with their lives.
Well, sure. That's always the bottom line.
*However*...the question will always be "what about the children?" and "what about the dangers?" and when standing up for our rights, we really should have ready answers to both. It counts to be making sense and being reasonable v. simply saying "But I want to do it and it's my right," particularly when it comes to the possibility of underage people getting a hold of anything.
We also need to realize that to many (uninformed) people (and honestly, do we really 100% know the answer to this ourselves?), vaping *could* produce a danger/some form of exposure to non-vapers in the area. We really don't have a bottom line yet, scientifically, on whether nicotine, the PV and the flavors enter the air around us to a degree that others sensitive to those ingredients could have some sort of a reaction; and if so, just how much.
Although I may sound like a traitor saying this, until we do have that information, cut and dried, from a good, non-biased source, it isn't just our rights we're talking about. So we do need to be sensitive about this, IMO. Educate, but don't just blow clouds of vapor at people yelling that it's your "right." Until all the science is in, we don't really know if it is.
Just be sensitive to these facts, is all I'm saying. In much the same way we feel we're having our rights "taken from us" by not being able to vape in public places, non-nicotine users feel their own rights to a relatively safe environment are being infringed upon. It isn't all about us, us, us. And no, I don't believe it's 100% about the feds and money, though that's obviously a large part of it (and no, I didn't drink any Kool-Aid or swallow the wrong-colored pill to come to that conclusion). There are many, many, many people who have family members who have lost their lives to smoking, who campaign about these things. They need to be educated...but with a degree of sensitivity. They may seem annoying (and uninformed) to us, but their cause really does come from the heart.
So *educate* (rationally and calmly), is all I'm saying. And yes, do have answers available to these questions, such as "addiction" and "young people." Just MO.
Although I may sound like a traitor saying this, until we do have that information, cut and dried, from a good, non-biased source, it isn't just our rights we're talking about. So we do need to be sensitive about this, IMO. Educate, but don't just blow clouds of vapor at people yelling that it's your "right." Until all the science is in, we don't really know if it is.
Just be sensitive to these facts, is all I'm saying. In much the same way we feel we're having our rights "taken from us" by not being able to vape in public places, non-nicotine users feel their own rights to a relatively safe environment are being infringed upon. It isn't all about us, us, us. And no, I don't believe it's 100% about the feds and money, though that's obviously a large part of it (and no, I didn't drink any Kool-Aid or swallow the wrong-colored pill to come to that conclusion). There are many, many, many people who have family members who have lost their lives to smoking, who campaign about these things. They need to be educated...but with a degree of sensitivity. They may seem annoying (and uninformed) to us, but their cause really does come from the heart.
So *educate* (rationally and calmly), is all I'm saying. And yes, do have answers available to these questions, such as "addiction" and "young people." Just MO.
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