I have talked to the people at my local tobacco/cigarette store about e-cigs and they showed very little interest. I think someone could make pretty good money selling at a retail location.
Is vaping all you need?
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LOL. I did that the other day, in pacifier mode. Put it in backwards and wondered why it (A) felt weird in my mouth, and (B) wouldn't vape. At least I never did it with a LIT analog.
You're not alone! I have been vaping a year and a half and with 510s, 901s and other smaller PVs I still manage to stick them in my mouth backwards from time to time hehe! I don't remember doing it with the 801 though due to its larger atomiser!
I've never done it with a lit one. But I have several times put an unlit one backwarts in my mouth and lit the filter. Now there is something really tasty - burned filter!
In other news, I have a few times tried to light up a PV. So far I noticed early enough so no LEDs were fried.
Ahh, burnt, cotton cigarette filters. Now THAT'S a juice flavor I don't think anyone's come up with yet!
I have started vaping and quit analogs in June 09. All was great and all of the sudden when I cut back to 6 or 0 nic, I have the cravings, and started smoking about one cigar a day over the course of the evening. When I use a higher nic I dont have the urge at all, but I cant sleep at night, even if I stop using the higher nic about 4 pm I am still up till 4 am. I have tried mixing my own stuff but the 11 and 12 is the breaking point for me on enjoyment, yet I cant vape that after about 3pm if I want to sleep at night, and the 6 and 0 leaves me still wanting more. I would love to not use anything but my pv again but havent found the right mix yet for satisfaction and sleep. Any ideas?
Note my sig flavapor, and spend some time reading in the Smokeless Forum!
If it only had been cotton filters ... plastic all the way through! At least that was what they smelled and tasted like.
flavapor, what oldhanddirt said: Try some smokeless to go with your PV. Solved similar problems for me, and especially snus has long been proven to be fairly harmless. (Although one can most likely assume the results are applicable to other forms of smokeless tobacco as well.) In fact, the greatest risk are sores in your mouth, and that mostly only for quite determined snusers.
flavapor, what oldhanddirt said: Try some smokeless to go with your PV. Solved similar problems for me, and especially snus has long been proven to be fairly harmless. (Although one can most likely assume the results are applicable to other forms of smokeless tobacco as well.) In fact, the greatest risk are sores in your mouth, and that mostly only for quite determined snusers.
Alex...Unfortunatly NO tobacco products are completly harmless along with recreational nicotine use.I truly believe(after months of intensive reading)That snuff may well be the safest method of tobacco use.(snus would have to fall in second place)E-Cigs are still the "New Kid on the Block" so who knows how truly safe they are with prolonged use.All we do know for fact is that Cigarettes are the absolute worse method of tobacco use out there....primarily due to the "Combustion" factor! I'll take my chances with smokeless alternatives any day!!
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That's why I said "fairly" harmless - which is not quite the same thing as harmless. And I do confess that the relation I had in mind were cigarettes, which of course do make many things seem "fairly harmless".
But OTOH, the risks from Snus at least are quite well known, and there are a lot of activities a lot of people do that are more harmful than that. Living on a corner of a very busy street with lots of cars (and their exhaust), for example. Or riding your bike in traffic like that. Or not eating enough fruits and vegetables. Or …
I count snus - as I did when I tried it first - among those things where maybe you are better of without, but if you can't be without, no particularly big deal. As opposed to cigarettes, for example. Of course, that is just my opinion.
But OTOH, the risks from Snus at least are quite well known, and there are a lot of activities a lot of people do that are more harmful than that. Living on a corner of a very busy street with lots of cars (and their exhaust), for example. Or riding your bike in traffic like that. Or not eating enough fruits and vegetables. Or …
I count snus - as I did when I tried it first - among those things where maybe you are better of without, but if you can't be without, no particularly big deal. As opposed to cigarettes, for example. Of course, that is just my opinion.
Ingrown toenals....millions die every year from ingrown toenails. And Grandma's "refried bean and banana fluffy fondue surprise", what an epidemic that was. And jock straps, don't even get me started on jock straps.........I'll stick with snus.
Since that poll ran for a week now, a little preliminary summary.
Please do not let that stop you from voting, the more numbers, the more accurate!
At the moment, one or two people voting can still change some percentages noticeably.
If the numbers change significantly or I feel the comment needs reworking, I will do another summary. As I hate to pretend accuracy where none exists, numbers are rounded.
Preliminary summary of results:
Quitting and craving:
Use of additional tobacco products
Frequency of using tobacco products
Comment:
Half of all vapers quit and never look back. Presumably, most of those who said that they "occasionally" crave TPs get by perfectly fine without them. One cannot, I think, automatically assume that they actually need something in TPs (presumably MAOIs); much of this could be plain habit. Some of those who crave "occasionally" and most of those who crave "often" however presumably will end up with those vapers who do supplement their vaping with TPs, or those people might actually be better off if they would supplement. (Because judging from several threads, those who stopped entirely and started supplementing did so because they felt quite bad without TPs, and much better with them.)
What I find important, however, is to note that quite a significant percentage does indeed not get by with vaping alone, and this can clearly not be attributed to habit alone, as the fairly large number of re-starters as well as the number of those who switch TPs shows. Which means that it seems entirely unjustified to judge those who never manage to quit TPs entirely as merely lacking willpower, or not trying hard enough, or similar, as one occasionally finds. Also, it has to be assumed that those people judge themselves at the very least as harshly, probably more – and unnecessarily – so. Also, judging again from various postings in the forum, an insufficient level of nicotine alone cannot explain the need for TPs, even if it is worth a try to find out whether this may be the reason for craving for/use of additional TPs.
Also, given those numbers, it should be considered by those informing new or potential vapers, be it in the forum or elsewhere, to at least mention those results. In particular they should mention that smokeless tobacco products, which are so much safer to use than cigarettes, are very often utterly sufficient if they are used to supplement vaping, even for those for whom they were not sufficient to stop smoking analogs if they tried them before. I mention this in particular, because for those for whom "vaping only" works, it would be natural to assume that it should work for everybody. It does not, and for those for whom it does not, safer alternatives than never stopping analogs or taking up smoking them again should be made known.
Please do not let that stop you from voting, the more numbers, the more accurate!
At the moment, one or two people voting can still change some percentages noticeably.
If the numbers change significantly or I feel the comment needs reworking, I will do another summary. As I hate to pretend accuracy where none exists, numbers are rounded.
Preliminary summary of results:
Quitting and craving:
- According to current answers to this poll, 83% of vapers manage to quit tobacco products (TPs) entirely. That number matches another poll where the current result is 82% who managed to quit smoking entirely.
- Most of those who quit entirely are satisfied with vaping alone, 63% of those who quit entirely, 52% of all respondents. A noticeable percentage, however, does still crave TPs: 36% of those quitting completely "occasionally", 1% "often".
Use of additional tobacco products
- 17% use a TP to supplement their vaping. Of those, 51% still use their old TP (cigarettes, most likely), 49% use one or several other ones (9% and 8% of all respondents including those who quit completely).
- Many people actually stopped using any TPs, but started to use them again: 43% of those currently using TPs, 7% of all respondents. (This raises the number of those who initially managed to "vape only" to 90% of all vapers.)
- Of those who restart using TPs, exactly half use their old TP again, the other half uses another or other TPs. A slightly larger number of those who never quit using TPs continues using their old TP. (However, this could change with a single answer to the poll at the moment, so it is probably best not to read anything into this yet.)
Frequency of using tobacco products
- Two thirds (68%) of those who do supplement their vaping with TPs do so "occasionally" or use "rather little" of it. (Bad phrasing there by yours truly, but let's assume those are equal.) Only one third (32%) use them "often" or "a lot".
- This varies however between those who continue using their old TP and those switching to a new one: Of those who continue using their old TP, 37% use it "often/a lot". Only 26% of those who switch their TP use it "often/a lot".
Comment:
Half of all vapers quit and never look back. Presumably, most of those who said that they "occasionally" crave TPs get by perfectly fine without them. One cannot, I think, automatically assume that they actually need something in TPs (presumably MAOIs); much of this could be plain habit. Some of those who crave "occasionally" and most of those who crave "often" however presumably will end up with those vapers who do supplement their vaping with TPs, or those people might actually be better off if they would supplement. (Because judging from several threads, those who stopped entirely and started supplementing did so because they felt quite bad without TPs, and much better with them.)
What I find important, however, is to note that quite a significant percentage does indeed not get by with vaping alone, and this can clearly not be attributed to habit alone, as the fairly large number of re-starters as well as the number of those who switch TPs shows. Which means that it seems entirely unjustified to judge those who never manage to quit TPs entirely as merely lacking willpower, or not trying hard enough, or similar, as one occasionally finds. Also, it has to be assumed that those people judge themselves at the very least as harshly, probably more – and unnecessarily – so. Also, judging again from various postings in the forum, an insufficient level of nicotine alone cannot explain the need for TPs, even if it is worth a try to find out whether this may be the reason for craving for/use of additional TPs.
Also, given those numbers, it should be considered by those informing new or potential vapers, be it in the forum or elsewhere, to at least mention those results. In particular they should mention that smokeless tobacco products, which are so much safer to use than cigarettes, are very often utterly sufficient if they are used to supplement vaping, even for those for whom they were not sufficient to stop smoking analogs if they tried them before. I mention this in particular, because for those for whom "vaping only" works, it would be natural to assume that it should work for everybody. It does not, and for those for whom it does not, safer alternatives than never stopping analogs or taking up smoking them again should be made known.
Yes, well, but the only problem with all of that is if you persist in saying "TP" i shall have to go inform the mods that we have yet another acronym on the loose.
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Good summary, Alex. Hopefully, more will vote, as the turnout is still relatively low. Also, good advice in your comment:
"In particular they should mention that smokeless tobacco products, which are so much safer to use than cigarettes, are very often utterly sufficient if they are used to supplement vaping, even for those for whom they were not sufficient to stop smoking analogs if they tried them before."
Had I not started vaping before using snus, I think I'd probably still be smoking. Now, without the snus, vaping would eventually lead me back to smoking. It's a team effort for me.
"In particular they should mention that smokeless tobacco products, which are so much safer to use than cigarettes, are very often utterly sufficient if they are used to supplement vaping, even for those for whom they were not sufficient to stop smoking analogs if they tried them before."
Had I not started vaping before using snus, I think I'd probably still be smoking. Now, without the snus, vaping would eventually lead me back to smoking. It's a team effort for me.
I've stopped using analogs almost entirely. I still crave them a little, but when I actually have one, I'm thinking "Wow, this tastes like crap!"
Ah yes Alex, those TP's, Tobacco Products, thank goodness for their recreational aspects!
I've had so much more pleasure with vaping, snuff and snus then I ever did with smokes.
I've had so much more pleasure with vaping, snuff and snus then I ever did with smokes.
I started Vaping in Feb last year, I vaped and smoked up till April, then I quit smoking totally. The first month or so the thought of smoking would creep into my mind, but I didn't ever take a puff... 9 months now no smoking at all, I tried the stonewall candy things and found I've got some allergy to nicotine in my throat like that - so I couldn't use them.
I don't miss smoking at all, very seldom even think of it.. now and again I'll be reminded as I have a cupboard above my stove with tobacco and tubes to "stuff" my own... I never got rid of my goodies, it just felt better to me to keep it all.
I voted the first option.
I don't miss smoking at all, very seldom even think of it.. now and again I'll be reminded as I have a cupboard above my stove with tobacco and tubes to "stuff" my own... I never got rid of my goodies, it just felt better to me to keep it all.
I voted the first option.
Lucky those for whom vaping only works. Not that there is anything wrong with supplementing, as long as it is not analogs, but still. I also think the next thing to investigate is "the wall" that quite a few hit after a few weeks of perfectly happy "vaping only". There is so much we don't know, and inquiring minds want to know. Besides, given that we are often up to people who pull their "facts" out of thin air (and that's the air right above a cesspit often enough), even forum polls are actually useful. Especially if you can point out: "Well, we would want some decent research, but …!"
As for the "even for those for whom they were not sufficient to stop smoking analogs if they tried them before" I admit I was thinking about myself: I had tried snus and chewing tobacco (and snuff, and pipes, and nicotine gums) before to at least reduce my analogs. Result nearly zero; only thing I found was something to safe me during long train journeys, and that barely. Now, about one or two packets of snus a day do the trick for me. And I doubt I am the only one with a similar experience.
Acronym: Dear me, I did not want to start another one, I just did not want to repeat "tobacco products" all the time. But on second thoughts, there are worse things. If we replace the "still smoking analogs" with "using TPs" in a lot of places, it might point more people to alternatives to smoking analog cigarettes. Because, obviously, those are the worst of all options.
As for the "even for those for whom they were not sufficient to stop smoking analogs if they tried them before" I admit I was thinking about myself: I had tried snus and chewing tobacco (and snuff, and pipes, and nicotine gums) before to at least reduce my analogs. Result nearly zero; only thing I found was something to safe me during long train journeys, and that barely. Now, about one or two packets of snus a day do the trick for me. And I doubt I am the only one with a similar experience.
Acronym: Dear me, I did not want to start another one, I just did not want to repeat "tobacco products" all the time. But on second thoughts, there are worse things. If we replace the "still smoking analogs" with "using TPs" in a lot of places, it might point more people to alternatives to smoking analog cigarettes. Because, obviously, those are the worst of all options.
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