is vaping really an "epidemic" among teens?

[Punk In Drublic]

Oh, I believe they understand all too well. They understand that vaping hurts their sugar daddies, Big tobacco and Big Pharma. The flavors and children arguments are just a ruse.

Ya I know. It was more of a figure of speech than an actual fact.

 

[vapdivrr]

I consider myself to be between slightly restricted and fully open. I vape between 30W and 50W (single coils lower, dual coils higher). Why somebody would need a constant 300W output... dunnoh, he's probably trying to vape his plumbing. In any case that's not the power range for everyday vapers. At some point you can always have the same vapor output with a less massive lower power build.

Evolv has support for very high wattage but that's because of replay (it apparently works the most consistent when it has lots of headroom), they say themselves they tried to vape at 400W and it wasn't enjoyable [emoji38]

The numbers are just marketing. Like with cars, who cares if it goes from 0 to 100 km/h in 5 seconds in a city? You're going to lose your license and be driving a kickbike in no time.

Your right, I'm sure most don't vape that high, but I still think mods will continue to increase in wattage and along with that will be ways to be able to vape higher wattages . So maybe we reached a point now at 150 compared to 20 a short time ago, still makes me wonder what might be next.

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[vapdivrr]

I'm not saying this is what's happening now, I'm simply looking at what it was like a few years ago compared to now. So do you think vaping power and the cloud competition thing is maxed out and won't continue in an upward climb? Like I said it really doesn't bug me, it's more of a curiousity of what will vaping be like in years from now . Maybe it will stop, maybe it will keep being pushed up to bigger and bigger, maybe it will stay like this? I think we should be able to discuss what may happen without the "pointing the finger thing", which I have no idea how you got that from my post? I love when someone has an opinion and the next post is the "no pointing the finger thing", I sometimes believe people say that to side with the majority just for likes.....

Do people actually vape at 300 watts or is that just a bye product of the industry trying to out do their competition. Have to be careful at who or what we are pointing the finger at. I have a 300 watt mod – can bareley vape at 80 watts so to a blind eye 300 watts seems like a waste. But its battery life is phenomenal and worth every one of those 300 watts. I have yet to meet or even see a vaper take more than 150 watts on a regular basis (some take more as a demonstration).

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[Cohan13]

So why can’t the community just accept that there are multiple ways to enjoy vaping whether you are chasing clouds, sucking on a small plastic stick or swinging it old school with a MTL rig. Seems a bit selfish if you ask me especially when the goal is to quit smoking. Personally it’s attitudes like this that give vaping a bad image. You don’t like chasing clouds, then don’t do it. But be thankful that those who do chase clouds are contributing financially to an industry that you enjoy.

I for one accept it. Everyone should vape how they like. But some facts can't be denied here. Vaping wouldn't be as big as it is without all the current styles of vaping. And as far as cloudchasing goes, I think it's clear to see that that movement is pushing away uninformed old smokers who see that and feel intimidated and out of place. That's not exactly their fault, but it is what it is. Media doesn't help either. Vaping is getting bigger and bigger, and that's because all the amazing communities that we have. Some will stay ignorant and try to limit us and we need to fight back.

 

[LAwaters]

Loved that commercial, we got a lot of milage having fun with it.

Gizmodo had some fun with it.

https://gizmodo.com/the-fda-finally-made-vaping-look-cool-1829148142/

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I for one accept it. Everyone should vape how they like. But some facts can't be denied here. Vaping wouldn't be as big as it is without all the current styles of vaping. And as far as cloudchasing goes, I think it's clear to see that that movement is pushing away uninformed old smokers who see that and feel intimidated and out of place. That's not exactly their fault, but it is what it is. Media doesn't help either. Vaping is getting bigger and bigger, and that's because all the amazing communities that we have. Some will stay ignorant and try to limit us and we need to fight back.

I smoked a PAD+ for over 35 years. I prefer DTL over MTL. I vape at higher wattages and use high VG, and cause of that I create dense clouds. So by classification based on what I vape and how I vape I am a cloud chaser despite that I dislike that label. I can accept being called a cloud chaser if it makes others feel better - but can not accept being labeled as someone who is contributing to destroying the vaping reputation. Whether that was the intent behind your earlier comment or not.

I took to vaping as the only means for me to break away from cigarettes where all others failed. If DTL was the only way to vape, I probably would be on the smokers forum oppose to this vaping forum. I do not see cloud chasing, as it is labeled, as pushing out old DTL vapers. It is just another path to the same destination. The industry like every other industry will evolve and push forward. And it does so to keep alive and not to intimidate. Without that evolution it will become stale and eventually die. That my vaping friend, if you don’t mind me calling you that, is not a good thing. Be excited, not intimidated!

 

[Punk In Drublic]

So do you think vaping power and the cloud competition thing is maxed out and won't continue in an upward climb?

Difficult to say. Vaping gear is bound to power delivery so without advancement in cell technology it will be difficult to evolve into higher powered devices. Yes manufactures can just keep adding batteries to their devices, but the trend I see is a push for smaller devices. Pod systems being proof of that. There are mod’s that have more than 3 batteries in them, but they are not very popular and only cater to a very small elite group. Even 3 battery mods are not very popular in comparison to their dual cell counterparts. The natural evolution is to migrate to the larger 2X700 battery, which as you know will allow for higher power output. But that adaptation seems to be slow and only geared toward single cell devices. Perhaps consumers are not willing to adapt to more power at the expense of size and weight.

 

[untar]

Perhaps consumers are not willing to adapt to more power at the expense of size and weight.

That's because it kinda feels embarrassing when you put your vape in your pocket and your pants drop.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

That's because it kinda feels embarrassing when you put your vape in your pocket and your pants drop.

Shhh….we do not want to let on to manufactures as to why we are not buying their 30lb devices. Don’t want X Priv Cobra edition suspenders bundled with your next mod purchase

 

[Letitia]

Gizmodo had some fun with it.

https://gizmodo.com/the-fda-finally-made-vaping-look-cool-1829148142/

Nah, I much prefer the fried egg.

 

[Letitia]

All manufacturing bends to ebb and flow. This is what keeps it alive from generation to generation. MTL is making a come back, in a few years it will be some other style that surges. This is the way it is for every industry.

 

[vapdivrr]

Good point with the batteries. ..most likely things have capped perhaps , it's just hard to imagine vaping being any good much over 150 watts

Difficult to say. Vaping gear is bound to power delivery so without advancement in cell technology it will be difficult to evolve into higher powered devices. Yes manufactures can just keep adding batteries to their devices, but the trend I see is a push for smaller devices. Pod systems being proof of that. There are mod’s that have more than 3 batteries in them, but they are not very popular and only cater to a very small elite group. Even 3 battery mods are not very popular in comparison to their dual cell counterparts. The natural evolution is to migrate to the larger 2X700 battery, which as you know will allow for higher power output. But that adaptation seems to be slow and only geared toward single cell devices. Perhaps consumers are not willing to adapt to more power at the expense of size and weight.

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[Pete M]

I smoked a PAD+ for over 35 years. I prefer DTL over MTL. I vape at higher wattages and use high VG, and cause of that I create dense clouds. So by classification based on what I vape and how I vape I am a cloud chaser despite that I dislike that label. I can accept being called a cloud chaser if it makes others feel better - but can not accept being labeled as someone who is contributing to destroying the vaping reputation. Whether that was the intent behind your earlier comment or not.

I took to vaping as the only means for me to break away from cigarettes where all others failed. If DTL was the only way to vape, I probably would be on the smokers forum oppose to this vaping forum. I do not see cloud chasing, as it is labeled, as pushing out old DTL vapers. It is just another path to the same destination. The industry like every other industry will evolve and push forward. And it does so to keep alive and not to intimidate. Without that evolution it will become stale and eventually die. That my vaping friend, if you don’t mind me calling you that, is not a good thing. Be excited, not intimidated!

I dunno, my personal definition of a cloud chaser is someone who no longer sees vaping as a means to an end of quitting smoking and who's only goal is to get the equipment etc that will create the biggest possible clouds.

Now that in itself I have no probs with BUT I have seen people and been near people who use their super-rigs in public places like bus stops and basically engulf the whole of the street. In a busy city traffic moves slowly and you can see drivers getting annoyed their driving through this mini dense cloud let alone pedestrians.

To say this type of cloud chasing vaper is 'destroying the industry' is OTT in my opinion. However, I don't believe it helps either. Same as if someone was blowing cigar smoke in your face isn't a nice thing to do. There are some - and I'm definitely not saying anyone here - who seem to think because vaping isn't smoking they can do what they want everywhere (like a guy I saw who kicked off in a café when the staff politely asked him to stop).

Cloud chaser is a bit of an unhelpful label as most labels are. A basic lack of manners is the sort of thing that gives the industry a bad rep rather than the size of clouds people prefer to have.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

˄ Guess that’s another definition of a cloud chaser. I don’t know….my comments are based on what was said earlier that lung inhale rigs are destroying vaping’s reputation. As a DTL user I know the comment was not directed to me personally, and I am not offended - but do think it is wrong.

Personally, I’ve crossed paths with more MTL users than DTL users. And yes some of those users were very selfish vaping in stores, restaurants, public transit even the office! Can’t speak for the rest of the planet, but here in Canada, that is illegal! I see more MTL and Pod vapers breaking our smoking laws than DTL users. In fact, I have never witnessed a DTL user vape in a designated non smoking area. I am sure it happens but guessing the nature in which they vape. ie: produce BIG noticeable clouds they are less likely to do so out of fear of getting caught resulting in a hefty fine. Regardless, no matter what type of vaper I am exposed to the most be it breaking our laws or just being inconsiderate, I would never stereotype a certain genre as being a problem for the rest. I have no grounds to do so for these minorities do not represent all. Whether an individual is chucking clouds at a bus stop or sucking on a Juul pod in a movie theatre, both actions are equally offensive and damaging to us responsible vapers.

 

[Letitia]

I didn’t smoke in indoor public places, I don't vape in indoor public places. I can certainly go longer without a vape than I ever could without a smoke. No excuse to vape where not permitted by the establishment imo.

 

[Rossum]

That's because it kinda feels embarrassing when you put your vape in your pocket and your pants drop.

 

[Letitia]

Not seeing anything I would consider magical there. So commonplace it's not even amusing to see anymore.

 

[RedForeman]

We're suffering an epidemic of government.

Because more laws and regulations have worked so well with narcotics, guns, alcohol, immigration, etc.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I didn’t smoke in indoor public places, I don't vape in indoor public places. I can certainly go longer without a vape than I ever could without a smoke. No excuse to vape where not permitted by the establishment imo.

I don’t even like vaping near my cat despite she likes chasing the clouds. WAIT…..my cat is a cloud chaser

 

[Letitia]

At home I vape where I please, cat/dog can move.