It happened, bring on the antz - ECig Mod Explodes

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Show me a single mech mod in existence that even comes with a manual explaining battery safety, telling the user what battery they should be using on the device, or how low ohm a build the mech can handle safely, or anything at all besides "gimme $300 for my metal tube".

The simple fact of the matter is there isn't a mech mod out there that has ratings for what the device can handle or educates its users. They don't do it because no law requires them to do it and they just pump out inherently unsafe products saying "gimme $300 for my metal tube". So people are left to their own devices, some find places online to learn, or just figure it out through trial and error.

Honestly I'm surprised there haven't been a whole hell of a lot more errors making the news.

If there's a segment of this industry going out of its way to absolutely beg the government to step in and impose regulations upon us, its the mech mod designers who just pump out highly overpriced garbage looking to make fast money.

You guys can blame the guy, call him an idiot but what about the scumbags that make these devices and do absolutely nothing to educate the consumer? I can think of no other name for a company that produces a product that can be potentially dangerous offering nothing but advertising or a price tag.

What about the scumbag shops that push these devices while doing nothing to educate the consumer?

Sure the guy might have been uneducated about mechs. But honestly, if the mech designers and the vape shops don't educate him and he's being sold this stuff over the counter and handed some batteries, is it really his fault he was sold something potentially dangerous with absolutely no warning that it could be?

If I went into your back yard and laid land mines in it and you went out and stepped on one. Who's fault would it be? Mine for putting them there? Or you for being too stupid to check for land mines?

Every mech or RDA I have ever bought says right there in the product description something to the effect of "this item is intend for advanced users only and using this item without the proper knowledge could result in injury". But do people read this and heed the warnings before buying it? Heck no they just need sick clouds bruh so they buy it slap a battery from radio shack in it and want to sue people when it blows up.
 

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I'm guessing it won't be long before lawsuits that close vendors down and ruin their lives will put a stop to this.
But that won't happen until much of the damage has already been done.


EDIT: I realize I am going to be at odds with a lot of folks I usually agree with, but here goes...

It's time to understand that a majority of people in this world are not aware of the dangers of these batteries.
They have to be told, and it's not their fault if no one tells them.
 
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EDIT: I realize I am going to be at odds with a lot of folks I usually agree with, but here goes...

It's time to understand that a majority of people in this world are not aware of the dangers of these batteries.
They have to be told, and it's not their fault if no one tells them.
The issue is that batteries are in hundreds of things that people take for granted, phones, tools, computers, flashlights, etc...

Millions of laptops currently in use today have more dangerous chemistry batteries in larger quantites in their battery packs. Just search Laptop fire on youtube if you want to see some nasty fires. Those devices come with safety measures and warnings all over the battery pack, yet still there are incidents of batteries catching fire and running thermal and I'm willing to bet that if you asked a group of 100 people which owned these devices less than 10% would be aware of the possible issues lithium-ion batteries may bring forth. So who's at fault if a laptop left plugged in has a battery pack go thermal and burns an entire residence down? Does that mean there should be regulation on Laptops?

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Second example,
I'm an auto mechanic for a living, I use a lot of lithium ion powered tool packs including every single day a 18V pack which contains no less than 10 18650 battery cells on my 1/2" impact gun. One day while using it I smelled some burning plastic, I look down and smoke is coming from the top of the battery pack on my 1/2" impact gun, I quickly pulled the battery off the gun and slid it into the middle of the shop on the concrete floor, luckily nobody was around and the fire was contained to the battery. Do you know the only warning that 18V battery pack has written on the bottom? Do not dispose of in fire. Nothing about the energy which is stored in an 18650 battery cell, nothing telling me what I should do in the event of a dangerous incident...

Edit: These examples were used because I believe the number of users of these products far outnumber the users of 18650 battery carrying mechanical mods, not only that but both examples I'm using are of products that have been on the market for many many years and are used by many people and some laptops are even used by children. These products were deemed "safe" to sell to basically anyone with money and as far as the general population goes I highly doubt that even a small percentage of them know that a battery is capable of going thermal in the product they use the most. Furthermore, these are both products that the consumer is "assumed" to know how to use safely. When you check out a cordless lithium-ion power tool at the hardware store does the associate behind the register take time to lecture you on the safety of a lithium-ion battery pack? No! The same goes for a laptop, when you purchase a laptop nobody behind the counter is going to lecture you on battery safety.
 
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I'm guessing it won't be long before lawsuits that close vendors down and ruin their lives will put a stop to this.
But that won't happen until much of the damage has already been done.


EDIT: I realize I am going to be at odds with a lot of folks I usually agree with, but here goes...

It's time to understand that a majority of people in this world are not aware of the dangers of these batteries.
They have to be told, and it's not their fault if no one tells them.

Same kind of people who need to be told hot coffee is hot, it's a shame natural selection is not more prevalent.
 

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Show me a single mech mod in existence that even comes with a manual explaining battery safety, telling the user what battery they should be using on the device, or how low ohm a build the mech can handle safely, or anything at all besides "gimme $300 for my metal tube".

The simple fact of the matter is there isn't a mech mod out there that has ratings for what the device can handle or educates its users. They don't do it because no law requires them to do it and they just pump out inherently unsafe products saying "gimme $300 for my metal tube". So people are left to their own devices, some find places online to learn, or just figure it out through trial and error.

Honestly I'm surprised there haven't been a whole hell of a lot more errors making the news.

If there's a segment of this industry going out of its way to absolutely beg the government to step in and impose regulations upon us, its the mech mod designers who just pump out highly overpriced garbage looking to make fast money.

You guys can blame the guy, call him an idiot but what about the scumbags that make these devices and do absolutely nothing to educate the consumer? I can think of no other name for a company that produces a product that can be potentially dangerous offering nothing but advertising or a price tag.

What about the scumbag shops that push these devices while doing nothing to educate the consumer?

Sure the guy might have been uneducated about mechs. But honestly, if the mech designers and the vape shops don't educate him and he's being sold this stuff over the counter and handed some batteries, is it really his fault he was sold something potentially dangerous with absolutely no warning that it could be?

If I went into your back yard and laid land mines in it and you went out and stepped on one. Who's fault would it be? Mine for putting them there? Or you for being too stupid to check for land mines?

Is that the same as defective airbags?
Do you have to be knowledgeable to drive a car?
Do I need to tell you not to run with scissors?
Everyone has the internet at their fingertips.
Knowledge is your friend, if these people are too lazy to look into what they are doing......
 

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Is that the same as defective airbags?
Do you have to be knowledgeable to drive a car?
Do I need to tell you not to run with scissors?
Everyone has the internet at their fingertips.
Knowledge is your friend, if these people are too lazy to look into what they are doing......

I run with scissors to tempt fate, it's taught me not to trip. Something to be learned from everything. :lol:
 

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everything is wrong with his setup

1 the batery isn't suited to use on the atlantis coils
2 the atlantis isn't suited to be used on a 4nine, a mod that hybridizes

it was an accident waiting to happen

it is like buying a motorcycle and try to see how fast it can go without wearing a helmet and never used a bike before

This is full of win.
 
The"vaping is safe vs. vaping is dangerous" argument that's going on right now is reminiscent of the whole "guns" debate. You have those who respect guns and the right to own them, and then you have the others who are against it. And the media and government run with the favorable propaganda in hopes to achieve their desired results. It's the same thing. And fact of the matter is.....BG and BT are two really big toes to step on and they will do the same with the whole "vaping is dangerous" propaganda in order to achieve their goals. We all know what they want, and they will get it.....or at least some degree of it. It's just a matter of time. And it sucks.
 

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The issue is that batteries are in hundreds of things that people take for granted, phones, tools, computers, flashlights, etc...
I don't disagree with you.

When you check out a cordless lithium-ion power tool at the hardware store does the associate behind the register take time to lecture you on the safety of a lithium-ion battery pack? No! The same goes for a laptop, when you purchase a laptop nobody behind the counter is going to lecture you on battery safety
That's fine if vendors don't want to teach battery safety.
They will some day though, if vaping such devices is still legal.
 
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