It happened, bring on the antz - ECig Mod Explodes

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Vatigu

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Two points caught my attention.

!. They said it was a modified E-cigarette.
2. They said they are being over charged and then blew up when he was vaping on it. Would that not be discharge?

Therefore I don't believe the reporters know what they7 are talking about.

more than likely the reporters assumed mod meant modified instead of the tube itself
Also they probably looked up battery explosions and saw overcharging as a common reason
 

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Two points caught my attention.

!. They said it was a modified E-cigarette.
2. They said they are being over charged and then blew up when he was vaping on it. Would that not be discharge?

Therefore I don't believe the reporters know what they7 are talking about.


I don't think Most of the Authors or Reporters understand what the Slang Term "MOD" mean when we use it.
 

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So..... There is clearly a problem. Are some / all of the individuals involved in these incidents totally inexperienced in basic battery safety, and the type of batteries / configurations they should be using with their chosen device? Perhaps some knew better, and just tried to "cheap-out" on their gear.. incorrect advice from others, etc.. Regardless, where does the responsibility lie? With the new vaper impressed with the billowing clouds viewed on YT, and a few bucks in their pocket to blow at the local shop? With the shop owner before any sale is made? If not a BM, how would an online vendor tackle a mandatory "battery safety / proper application for your device" pre-purchase requirement?

If we are to be self-regulating as a community beyond posting in online forums, how do we go about it? Doesn't something need to be done at some level before State legislation / Federal agencies step in for "whoever's" greater good? This isn't an regulatory issue like CASAA would handle.. Perhaps we need a Vaping-Safety organization with "certified vendor's" to form..

Like I posted earlier, vaping is under scrutiny, and becoming more demonized every day.. The more of these incidents involving smoke, fire, and explosion, that occur, the worse things in general will become for us.. It may get to the point that folks start panicking around anyone with a vaping device.. None of what we're discussing here will matter to the folks who do not vape, or have any interest in it.. What will matter to them is the sensationalized media reports, and the fire, smoke, and damage they have seen / read about..
 

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As usual the same people blame it all on the user :facepalm: this is happening more and more and you cannot go on blaming every individual sooner or later you've got to realise there is a problem within the vaping industry and that we will suffer for it. Too many b&M's out there are run by people whose only concern is how much cash they can pocket they couldn't give a stuff about the customer or their safety and they need to be shutdown soon as we won't\can't do it so maybe it's time for the authorities to do it. Also why cant mech mod makers put a manual into their products probably add a couple of quid tops to the price and design the mods with adequate venting all along the battery tube not just the bottom or top.

I'm always seeing "community" mentioned in relation to vaping but remember people if something goes wrong with your setup we'll be too busy throwing you under the bus and condemning you to worry about the community thing as everytime someone talks about things going wrong straight away "user error" or "didn't know what they were doing" or a few of the other favourites. Between unscrupulous venders, bad quality hardware and some people telling all and sundry how great vaping is and you dont need to have smoked to do it it's a wonder A&E's (ER's for my american friends) arn't overrun with people with burns and gashes. To be honest seeing how the so called community responds to people whose setups go wrong sooner its taken out of our hands the better.
 

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Wow... Lot's of finger-pointing, assumptions, and IMO, ridiculous comparisons. One big difference between a PV exploding / catching on fire, and a phone / laptop doing the same..... The phone and laptop are NOT UNDER SCRUTINY, and are NOT CURRENTLY BECOMING DEMONIZED like vaping is... ;)

I have watched these types of incidents slowly rise for over 4 years now. Ultimately, someone will be held responsible. I can see a TV attorney commercial now..

"Have you ever tried to quit smoking by switching to electronic cigarettes, and the fad known as vaping?

Have you or a loved one ever suffered serious injury or bodily harm resulting from one of these known dangerous devices exploding, or bursting into flames?

If the answer is yes to any of these questions, please immediately call our team of personal injury specialists at: 1-800-KAA-BOOM. Join our ever-growing class-action lawsuit today!"

Just had to LOL at the commercial!!!!
Now, on to the subject....I vape in bed, I never smoked in bed, but I didn't smoke in my house at all - I KNOW I am not capable of using much more advanced equipment beyond my small pink mod....I would not use something or try to rebuild something (unless you guys are coming to help me - LOL) Anything with a battery in it can explode, anything with electrical wiring can catch fire....the sad thing is the wrong people for the wrong reasons will use a bad incident that happened for ANY reason and play it out to make vaping dangerous...grrrr...
 

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I had a friend who went to a shop here in town (not one of the good ones) to buy his first setup to quit smoking having never vaped before. What did they send him home with? Why, a mech mod and an Atlantis tank, of course. Should he have done a little research before he went into the store? Totally. Should the person behind the counter have recommended that combination of device and tank to a brand new vaper? Hell to the no.

I guess it's possible that this vaping in bed guy bought his stuff online and has never ventured into a vape shop…but I don't think it's very likely. And if I owned a vape shop, and my livelihood depended on something that is currently being heavily scrutinized by a bunch of jerks who are jumping at every opportunity to over-regulate or outright ban it because it's supposedly so dangerous…I think it would be in my best interest to make sure that I and my employees were knowledgeable enough and conscientious enough to educate the customers about safe vaping practices.

Of course, that is me assuming that this guy is a new vaper who lacked information on safe vaping. It is also possible that he had bad equipment, a faulty battery, didn't take care of his batteries, didn't use the right kind of charger….etc etc. There are just too many unknown factors to really place the blame on anyone but the individual. I mean, if I had the money I could drive three miles down the street to a shop where they would happily sell me an AR-15. One would hope that if I let on that I was brand new to shooting they might show me how the thing works, or even recommend a different weapon that would require less skill to operate, but if I take it home and fool around with it and shoot myself in the foot because I didn't know what I was doing it would still be more my fault than the gun shop's fault regardless.


If you bought an AR15 and didn't ask how to use it you might end up with something stuck in the wall too.
 

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I feel bad for the guy. But nothing is hazard free. People die from jumping out of planes every year when their shoot dose not open never herd of anyone wanting to ban parachuting. Its just more of the same informational entertainment people get hurt in lots of different ways every single day but very few ore on TV its the flavor of the day thats all.
 

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As usual the same people blame it all on the user :facepalm: this is happening more and more and you cannot go on blaming every individual sooner or later you've got to realise there is a problem within the vaping industry and that we will suffer for it. Too many b&M's out there are run by people whose only concern is how much cash they can pocket they couldn't give a stuff about the customer or their safety and they need to be shutdown soon as we won't\can't do it so maybe it's time for the authorities to do it. Also why cant mech mod makers put a manual into their products probably add a couple of quid tops to the price and design the mods with adequate venting all along the battery tube not just the bottom or top.

I'm always seeing "community" mentioned in relation to vaping but remember people if something goes wrong with your setup we'll be too busy throwing you under the bus and condemning you to worry about the community thing as everytime someone talks about things going wrong straight away "user error" or "didn't know what they were doing" or a few of the other favourites. Between unscrupulous venders, bad quality hardware and some people telling all and sundry how great vaping is and you dont need to have smoked to do it it's a wonder A&E's (ER's for my american friends) arn't overrun with people with burns and gashes. To be honest seeing how the so called community responds to people whose setups go wrong sooner its taken out of our hands the better.

Well, whose responsibility is it? The mod maker doesn't decide which batteries you put in it. The vendor, can suggest, but will sell you what you ask for.

I just looked at an RC Airplane site, at a plane that uses similar batteries to ours. No warnings about battery safety on the page itself, and only this in the near 100 page manual for the plane:
"Always follow the manufacturer’s instructions when using
and disposing of any batteries. Mishandling of Li-Po
batteries can result in fire causing serious injury and
damage."

Would that be sufficient? Most vendor online sites have similar warnings. I've never bought an authentic mod, so I have no idea what comes with them. My clones came with no instructions, but I bought them from chinese sites, and instructions/warnings in chinese wouldn't do me much good anyway.
 

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When your average American wants to try a new activity, he/she doesn't start with the internet and education. Your average American starts at wal-mart.

We may not like it, but that's the culture. That may not be how it should be, but that's the wayit is.

When a new customer sees someone "blowin dem phat clowdz brah" the new customer wants what he sees. Then he walks up to the counter and says "how do I do that?" pointing at the vaper who has been in the scene for 4 years tooting away on his 'showpiece', maybe something crazy like a 0.25 ohm quad coil in a drilled out Tobh with a chuff cap.

The proprieter of the shop pulls out an 18650 mech, a dripping atty, a battery, some kanthal wire, some cotton for wicking, and sells the whole shebang to the new customer. Proprieter is a "customer service minded" shopkeep, and goes over how to torch wire, coil it on a drill bit, torch and pinch, the coil, mount it in the RDA, test burn to work out hot legs, wicking, priming, and dripping. In other words, shopkeep is being "customer service minded" and making sure the customer is happy with his vape.

THE CUSTOMER NOW THINKS HE IS WELL EDUCATED

Two days later, the new customer, frustrated that his "build" eats that battery in an hour flat, goes back in to the B&M and says to the 'other' employee, who's on shift today "My battery dies too quick, got anything that'll last longer?".

Hand the batt to the employee, who reads 2000 mAh. Employee pulls out a batt that reads "3900 mAh" and says "this should last you about twice as long". Customer goes "Cool, gimme four of 'em"

This is how it happens folks.

In the modern consumer culture and climate, the average American has expectations. They may not be realistic or accurate, but stamping our feet and shouting that they should do x or should have done y doesn't change the fact that people expect instant gratification, easy to learn and convenient to use. When they go in to a shop and ask to chase clouds, they expect like any consumer electronic, it will be easy, safe, and pretty much idiot proof.

While the culture is changing, and more people are looking to the internet before making purchases, informative sites like this are outnumbered a thousand to one by the online version of the B&M described above. and the customer will still consider himself well educated after a similar shopping experience.

For all of those who would respond "well, when *-I-* wanted to get in to mechanicals (or clouds, or whatever) *-I-* educated myself first. Congratulations - you're smarter than the average American. Doesn't it feel good to rub your superiority in other people's faces? OK - now get off your high horse and realize that your big brother, and his uncle sam are gonna come down on this industry like a jackhammer if the average American keeps blowing things up on accident.
 

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Was in my vape shop earlier today and the owner was telling me how a woman came in with an expensive $300 mech mod with a Kanger Aerotank on top of it. She asked the vape shop owner why her vape was so burnt tasting and why her coils lasted only 5 minutes. Turns out another store in town had sold this woman (who had never vaped before) an expensive mech mod and a clearo. Instead of selling her an ego-twist and a clearo, they give her a potential pipe bomb.

There's lots of people working at these shops who have no idea what they are doing or how any of this stuff works. I blame the vape shop owners. Train your freaking employees. This is not the wild west anymore. Lawsuits are going to start flying.
 

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The news clip that I heard had a fire department PIO type warning people not to over charge their batteries. Not the first time I have heard this from a spokes person regarding an e-cig incident. Maybe that is all they know from other types of fires and/or explosions.

I don't think it is wrong for the average consumer to expect that a popular product is relatively safe to use. Since it may not be the case, government regulation will come to pass and probably not make it any safer.
 

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What grade is electricity taught in?

Where I went to school, it wasn't unless you took Physics 2 - and physics 2 wasn't required. I didn't get electrical stuff until my 2nd semester of physics in college.
Unfortunately there tends to be a 'monkey see, monkey do,' (if you'll pardon the phrase, please) when it comes to certain things. "How do I do that?!" is a good example. Education is the key to better safety, but sometimes people are more worried about a sale. I like the idea of a certified sales person. It would do us all a huge service. I also like the idea of having free vaping classes locally. I can build coils, and can understand most of the physics, but it would be awesome to sit down with a group and learn more, even if it's just the basics again. In Paramedic School, they practically beat things into you, but you still go back and refresh the basics. And if something goes wrong, you go back to basics. And if you don't know what to do, you go back to basics. Classes and certified sales people and even instructors would be great!Heck, even invite someone from a media outlet to come along. It would be good publicity.
That being said, you will still have people who "goof." I use that word because it could be an accident or stupidity. But at least making sure people are informed is a step in the right direction for all of us.
JMHO

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Then we can't trust anything there.

Of course you can't, Caramel. It's sensationalism for ratings.
You can't trust journalists to report the actual facts anymore.
A little embellishment here and there helps to sell advertizing space
and get more readers and viewers/listeners.

I worked in the broadcasting industry, take my word it's all BS.
The old Who, What, Where, When, Why and How are a thing of the past.
You cannot believe anything you see on television. It's entertainment.

Regards,
Hazy:2cool:
 

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Most are not idiots, reckless and impatient perhaps but we can't simply label everyone an idiot when things go wrong the fact is mech mods can never be completely safe due to their simplicity and we need to get new vapers going down the regulated route. Even on this forum it happens all the time a new vaper which you can tell by the questions they ask request mech mod info and it's given if they are lucky someone will mention the topics of battery safety and ohms law but not always. We are sometimes as big a problem as the cash rush b&M's out there and just because a question is asked doesn't always mean you answer it, some mech users are damn near fanatical about them and react in a very hostile way to any criticism of them. I've long since given up the hope of government staying away from vaping as I know regulation is coming certainly in the UK and many groups and individuals are meeting on a regular basis with politicians at all levels to inform, help and contribute to a sensible set of regulations being bought in. It's hard and quite often frustrating but it's our best bet to continuing vaping in the future and current smokers having it available as a viable option in the future which is the most important part for me.
 

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when I got to this part of the story, ""Swapped out a battery, went to throw a new battery on, I was getting ready to go to sleep, took one drag. As I was taking a second drag, it made a noise, " I wondered if the person involved took the 'new' battery straight off a charger?

I think I read somewhere that batteries need to rest for a bit after coming off the charger? I haven't really thought about it much cause I always have batteries on rotation and the newly charged goes to the back of the line, and maybe it doesn't even apply to this case, but, should batteries rest?
 
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