should have an answer soon. Just to be sure has anyone for sure witnessed this in an amber bottle? Has Bluewolf verified his report of amber bottle discolored?
Johnson Creek Juice Turning Green!
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3 bottles were clear and 3 were amber. 3 were PG and 3 were NON PG
sorry I missed his response below
Both clear and amber bottles involved
Both PG and NONPG are involved
Still no bottles larger than 3.7 ml??
Both clear and amber bottles involved
Both PG and NONPG are involved
Still no bottles larger than 3.7 ml??
I have tried both jc's british bulldog and have recently purchased the sampler bottles. Thinking back, I seem to remember that the bb had a slight green tinge in the eye dropper. Also, I have just noticed that the original tobacco NPG sampler (brown) bottle I have also seems to be slightly green too.
I wouldn't have even really noticed until reading this thread. Having read this thread not much has changed - I'm still vaping these liquids and TBH haven't noticed any difference in flavour/vapour production.
That aside, this is perhaps alarming to some people, but I have no problem with it. I know that johnsons creek is far closer to my homebrew liquids than the chemically 'enhanced' chinese stuff.
I think Johnsons Creek are a credit to our forum/community and are pioneering in their ways - their honesty, openess and mission to produce simple, no-nonsense liquids will continue to get my vote.
What caused the change in colour is anyone's guess, but I reckon the original 'frozen in transit' argument makes the most sense from where I'm sat...
I wouldn't have even really noticed until reading this thread. Having read this thread not much has changed - I'm still vaping these liquids and TBH haven't noticed any difference in flavour/vapour production.
That aside, this is perhaps alarming to some people, but I have no problem with it. I know that johnsons creek is far closer to my homebrew liquids than the chemically 'enhanced' chinese stuff.
I think Johnsons Creek are a credit to our forum/community and are pioneering in their ways - their honesty, openess and mission to produce simple, no-nonsense liquids will continue to get my vote.
What caused the change in colour is anyone's guess, but I reckon the original 'frozen in transit' argument makes the most sense from where I'm sat...
Exactly TB! It's a mystery at this point But I am sure it's nothing sinister. Just the contrary, I think it's due to using "natural" flavorings or perhaps some sort of innocuous contamination. I do not, however believe it froze. Put sample (VG Tenn Cure) in at 0F 3 hours ago (still fluid) and then "thawed" and no change. Maybe in a week or so, but I doubt it. I also doubt the UV issue, only because I have some JC Tenn Cure VG in clear bottles that has sat out forever in my well lit room and is NOT green (also reports of dark bottles with same issue.)
I know it sounds like I'm contradicting myself somewhat. But I really don't like the "mysteries" involved in this business. I am willing to believe that JC is trying to give us a good product and is using ingredients that are considered "safe" according to our limited knowledge of the subject. He is subject to laws of the US aside from the obvious ethical issues. I do not have the same faith in what we get elsewhere for those reasons. Disclosure is the ultimate defense for the innocent and I hope we have the patience to wait for the facts before we judge.
I know it sounds like I'm contradicting myself somewhat. But I really don't like the "mysteries" involved in this business. I am willing to believe that JC is trying to give us a good product and is using ingredients that are considered "safe" according to our limited knowledge of the subject. He is subject to laws of the US aside from the obvious ethical issues. I do not have the same faith in what we get elsewhere for those reasons. Disclosure is the ultimate defense for the innocent and I hope we have the patience to wait for the facts before we judge.
Nobody give out "trade secrets". It's all need to know. Tobacco companies didn't tell what they were putting in cigarettes until the government said they needed to know.
Ever wonder how much skin is included in a handrolled cigar?
The mysteries I'm referring to are not "trade secrets" but simply the ingredients in the base liquid. If it has formaldehyde in it I wanna know. If it has pecan or toffee flavor in it, not so much!
Try to get a straight answer from any of the suppliers on the ingredients in their liquid and you will see what I mean.
If anyone can tell us definitively, I would love to know. Seems to depend on who you ask at this point. The chemical analysis's I've seen have reflected much more than PG, Ethanol, Water and Nicotine, but I'm assuming they had flavorings in the sample as well. But I'm assuming.
Try to get a straight answer from any of the suppliers on the ingredients in their liquid and you will see what I mean.
If anyone can tell us definitively, I would love to know. Seems to depend on who you ask at this point. The chemical analysis's I've seen have reflected much more than PG, Ethanol, Water and Nicotine, but I'm assuming they had flavorings in the sample as well. But I'm assuming.
What do you mean? Formaldehyde is our special secret flavoring we can't give out that kind of information or everyone will copy
Actually if you poke around on RoyalSmokers they do give a pretty long list of the ingredients. Sounds like they're the ones making everything, or at least the front for the ones making everything.
Don't let the chemical names scare you, they're common food additives.
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That list is in particular what I'm referring to. It's like Nabisco giving us a list of EVERY ingredient the use in EVERY product they make, but not telling us what is specifically in a vanilla wafer. ????
Here's what Christian says is in JC:
Here are the ingredients in Johnson Creek Smoke Juice:
- PROPYLENE GLYCOL
- FOOD-GRADE VEGETABLE GLYCERIN (NON-PG FORMULAS)
- NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORINGS
- NATURAL FLAVOR EXTRACTS
- TOBACCO ESSENCE (VIRGINIA & BURLEY)
- NICOTINE
- CITRIC ACID (NATURAL PRESERVATIVE)
- DISTILLED WATER
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ce-discoloration-johnson-creek.html#post79158
Here are the ingredients in Johnson Creek Smoke Juice:
- PROPYLENE GLYCOL
- FOOD-GRADE VEGETABLE GLYCERIN (NON-PG FORMULAS)
- NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORINGS
- NATURAL FLAVOR EXTRACTS
- TOBACCO ESSENCE (VIRGINIA & BURLEY)
- NICOTINE
- CITRIC ACID (NATURAL PRESERVATIVE)
- DISTILLED WATER
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ce-discoloration-johnson-creek.html#post79158
Kind of waters down the "If it has pecan or toffee flavor in it, not so much!" claim.
If you didn't care about the flavorings the nicotine, PG, VG and water is all you need and everyone gives that information.
Very few things don't have ingredients like "artificial flavors". Ritz has "leavening" (with an and/or) and "natural flavors". Keebler Grahams have "leavening" (with an and/or) and "artificial flavors".
You got a lot more from the juice makers than you've got from most other ingestibles.
My point is that the ingredient list on the RoyalSmoker site has everything and the kitchen sink in it.
We don't know if all the liquid has Vitamin E added, or just certain flavors. We don't know what "etc" is.
I think Christian has been clear in defining what he has in his liquid.
RoyalSmoker reports the following:
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I can decide if I want to vape PG,Water,Ethanol,Nicotine PLUS some "natural flavorings". If Christian says that's what we're getting, then I believe him until proven otherwise and I'm OK with that. My point is that in many cases, as the example quoted above, it's difficult to discern what we are actually getting.
What is "etc?"
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Evidently we're smoking "so on"?
I can decide if I want to vape PG,Water,Ethanol,Nicotine PLUS some "natural flavorings". If Christian says that's what we're getting, then I believe him until proven otherwise and I'm OK with that. My point is that in many cases, as the example quoted above, it's difficult to discern what we are actually getting.
No it doesn't. It has the basics and then the long list which is attributed to the flavorings. It's along the lines of the cracker's "and/or" with the leavenings. You don't know which crackers get which leavenings.
Their list sounds bad because they give the chemical names.
If you're looking for things that are wrong, figure that if any on that list creates wrong all of them have it.
Most vitamins are destroyed by heat.
Christian has actually been less clear. He used a vague "natural and artificial flavorings". I'm sure if he broke his flavorings down he would have a list equal to the other.
Look at what happens to "citric acid", 2-Hydroxy-1,2,3-propanetricarboxylic acid. He could also say it was adding vitamin C.
If these were shipped by air...... I don't think they heat the cargo areas of airline freighters.
at 10,000 feet and up its mighty cold.... just a thought.
at 10,000 feet and up its mighty cold.... just a thought.
They may accidently be on to something. I think green is awesome color. How about other colors. Color code my flavors by color. Grape= purple etc. Also, how about random changing colors. Different temps it's different colors. Like a moodring but for liquid. Lol, ok sorry it's nearly 4 a.m. and I am being funny
Night Vapers.
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Any idea if smoking to much menthol flavor can kill your taste buds? I got new strong menthol in yestarday, and now when I inhale it tastes like it's burnt. And I have tried 4 different e-cigs all taste weird...ideas?
Night Vapers.
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Any idea if smoking to much menthol flavor can kill your taste buds? I got new strong menthol in yestarday, and now when I inhale it tastes like it's burnt. And I have tried 4 different e-cigs all taste weird...ideas?
Mscoffee, they fly a lot higher than 10,000 feet. The Temperature at 37,000-41,000 feet can be anywhere from 70 to 90 below zero Fahrenheit. Commercial Freight carriers cargo cabins are heated.
Commercial aircraft carriers (the one's that we all fly on) do carry a lot of mail for the postal service as well. Commercial aircraft have a forward cargo bin that is temperature controlled and pressurized. This is where they put some luggage as well as live animals. The aft or rear cargo bin is not temperature controlled per say on commercial aircraft. I believe it is heated but just above freezing. That is where all the mail goes..
When we have anything that needs to live on board, it goes in the forward cargo bin.
If any of this liquid was transported by commercial aircraft, it would have been very cold in the rear bin..
Commercial aircraft carriers (the one's that we all fly on) do carry a lot of mail for the postal service as well. Commercial aircraft have a forward cargo bin that is temperature controlled and pressurized. This is where they put some luggage as well as live animals. The aft or rear cargo bin is not temperature controlled per say on commercial aircraft. I believe it is heated but just above freezing. That is where all the mail goes..
When we have anything that needs to live on board, it goes in the forward cargo bin.
If any of this liquid was transported by commercial aircraft, it would have been very cold in the rear bin..
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Well I think it was just a bad batch made in November. Seems like everyone with green juice bought in Nov. Maybe someone measured something wrong and didn't realize it?
I don't believe whatever is wrong with it was intentional and won't hesitate to give them another chance.
I don't believe whatever is wrong with it was intentional and won't hesitate to give them another chance.
Mine are in brown bottles and have gone green. I'm not sure I'm buying the current theories from JC!
What I also wish for from all manufacturers, including Lor Ann flavourings and the like, is a break down of these natural and artificial flavourings. Research suggests that vanillin is somewhat toxic, how many liquids contain vanillin?
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