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[Rossum]

All in all rayon is pretty awesome but for me it's not that much different in performance to cotton and it certainly is no game changer.

I agree. My sense is it's only an incremental improvement, particularly of you were already using Japanese pads like Koh Gen Do.

where do you get the Rayon?

Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

Few are going to have the patience to read that entire thread. It took me several days (off and on).

Summary:

• Find a Sally's Beauty Supply (they're everywhere). Go there and ask for: "Beauty Coil, CelluCotton, the Rayon kind, not the Cotton kind". A lifetime supply will cost you $10.95 plus tax.
• Use it like cotton, but ignore those who said "use 2-3 times as much". Start with just a little more than the amount of cotton you would use. Just like with cotton, it will take a little while to figure out the optimal amount for your atty and build.

 

[Bronze]

I agree and as I've said before just can't justify buying any more wicking material no matter how inexpensive it is..I'll have to build another room on my house to store it all.

I still have a giant package of that blue aquarium filter media I used for those dopey juice cartridges a few years back. PM me if anyone wants it. It's a 975 year supply.

 

[vapdivrr]

where do you get the Rayon?

Got it from this beauty supply place up the block, most are getting from sallys but there wasn't one close so I was surprised when this other place had it. Not sure of the name at the moment but I can send you some to try? I think this stuff is great if your having slight issues in getting the cotton to work, it's so much more forgiving imo and has great flavor, vapor, and throat hit. like I mentioned before the flavor seems a little sweeter the cotton which may or may not work for everyone. so for the most part I think rayon will be an overall better vaping experience for most but for those who are getting max performance out of their cotton the difference is not that much imo

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[ricks]

I'll try some. What the hell. I only use silica in mine. Cotton was not too good for me.

Been a couple days on the rayon in 2 of my kayfuns, so far it hasn't been this game changer that most are reporting. It seems that most of the high praises are coming from those who have had issues with cotton in there bottom coil tanks. I see tons of reports like this" I'm using the rayon at 13 watts now in my kayfun and no dry hits"! And I can see this because the rayon is really easy, you can literally stuff a coil and get instant great results. The cotton on the other hand is tricky. So that's a big plus for rayon for sure. The flavor is imo about the same as cotton but feels sweeter. It's also mega cheap and easy to work with. It definitely carry the juice better then cotton as well but for me, that's never been needed as most of my kayfuns I vape at 20 or higher watts with no issues with cotton. Haven't tried it in drip per attys yet and alot of the rayon raves have been with these attys so I must try that. All in all rayon is pretty awesome but for me it's not that much different in performance to cotton and it certainly is no game changer . I do have about 20 years worth and if anyone would like to try I can send.

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[vapdivrr]

I figured as much. Sorry for being a skeptic but I have seen just about every type and style of wicking and the vast majority of them come and go. Yes, I appreciate that there are some who venture out and try new things (I have too). After all, we need to learn. I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud. But I also take these fads with a grain of salt.

I know some have come and gone but I do think the rayon will be here for a while. because it's cheap and fairly easy to get while performing very good people will like it. One wick that I would of sworn was a game changer was porous ceramic. When I first tried that, I thought it was the future for sure but because of the price and availability and because they were fragile, they just didn't really make it. I do however think the porous ceramic taste still is the absolute best.

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[ricks]

I still have the 6 blocks from ebay.

I know some have come and gone but I do think the rayon will be here for a while. because it's cheap and fairly easy to get while performing very good people will like it. One wick that I would of sworn was a game changer was porous ceramic. When I first tried that, I thought it was the future for sure but because of the price and availability and because they were fragile, they just didn't really make it. I do however think the porous ceramic taste still is the absolute best.

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[vapdivrr]

I agree. My sense is it's only an incremental improvement, particularly of you were already using Japanese pads like Koh Gen Do.


Few are going to have the patience to read that entire thread. It took me several days (off and on).

Summary:

• Find a Sally's Beauty Supply (they're everywhere). Go there and ask for: "Beauty Coil, CelluCotton, the Rayon kind, not the Cotton kind". A lifetime supply will cost you $10.95 plus tax.
• Use it like cotton, but ignore those who said "use 2-3 times as much". Start with just a little more than the amount of cotton you would use. Just like with cotton, it will take a little while to figure out the optimal amount for your atty and build.

For me personally, I did have to use twice as much as cotton. initially I used just a tad bit more then cotton and after an hour I started to hear that "sizzle after letting go of the fire button sound". soon after dry hits. When I opened it up the wick looked whimpy and had sagged. This rayon doesn't swell like cotton, it actually remains the same size or actually matts some. After increasing the amounts next, it worked great. Tbh I don't think the results would be good in a kayfun if one used the same amount of rayon as cotton.


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[Bronze]

For many years, ceramic was the second hardest material known to man (behind diamonds). Only problem with ceramic is it is very brittle. It was an alternative to carbide in some machining processes but I think it has fell out of favor to a degree.

 

[folkphys]

I know some have come and gone but I do think the rayon will be here for a while. because it's cheap and fairly easy to get while performing very good people will like it. One wick that I would of sworn was a game changer was porous ceramic. When I first tried that, I thought it was the future for sure but because of the price and availability and because they were fragile, they just didn't really make it. I do however think the porous ceramic taste still is the absolute best.

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that's what I miss the most about Gennies: the absolutely clean flavor of those tiny brittle sticks of rock. Man, my old RSST with a short tapered topcap, silver centerpost, and a 3/4 wrap of 0.8mm ribbon on a ceramic stick was pretty life-altering as I remember it.

I am 24+ hours into this Rayon adventure and while I am certain that I prefer it over cotton, for various reasons, it may just be a little to sweet and sharp. I don't know. Maybe I've just gotten used to the RxW and the way it seems to take some of the edge off without muting flavors. However, rayon is (so far) a very fast wick. And this speed is quite useful for those of us that have taken a liking to some of the more perfumed soapy flavors that really blossom and smooth out when met with higher and faster heating coils.

 

[vapdivrr]

that's what I miss the most about Gennies: the absolutely clean flavor of those tiny brittle sticks of rock. Man, my old RSST with a short tapered topcap, silver centerpost, and a 3/4 wrap of 0.8mm ribbon on a ceramic stick was pretty life-altering as I remember it.

I am 24+ hours into this Rayon adventure and while I am certain that I prefer it over cotton, for various reasons, it may just be a little to sweet and sharp. I don't know. Maybe I've just gotten used to the RxW and the way it seems to take some of the edge off without muting flavors. However, rayon is (so far) a very fast wick. And this speed is quite useful for those of us that have taken a liking to some of the more perfumed soapy flavors that really blossom and smooth out when met with higher and faster heating coils.

Very good point about those flavors at hi power, I have a few of those juices that just don't work to we'll in the 20 watt range so this rayon might really shine there. Also maybe for those who vape way over the 30 watt range the rayon will shine, for me my highest powered mod is about 30. my aqua has a .35 coil with cotton and performs awesome but maybe for those above that I can definitely see the rayon working much better.

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[Rossum]

For me personally, I did have to use twice as much as cotton. initially I used just a tad bit more then cotton and after an hour I started to hear that "sizzle after letting go of the fire button sound". soon after dry hits. When I opened it up the wick looked whimpy and had sagged. This rayon doesn't swell like cotton, it actually remains the same size or actually matts some. After increasing the amounts next, it worked great. Tbh I don't think the results would be good in a kayfun if one used the same amount of rayon as cotton.

I think much may depend much on builds and power levels. I'm sure I used too much rayon on my first wicking attempt, but... I run my Kayfuns at closer to 10 watts than 20 -- typically using a 1.3 ohm 28 gauge 5/64" coil with short wicks just touching the bottom of the deck and pasted to the vertical sidewalls.

 

[brekec88]

Been a couple days on the rayon in 2 of my kayfuns, so far it hasn't been this game changer that most are reporting. It seems that most of the high praises are coming from those who have had issues with cotton in there bottom coil tanks. I see tons of reports like this" I'm using the rayon at 13 watts now in my kayfun and no dry hits"! And I can see this because the rayon is really easy, you can literally stuff a coil and get instant great results. The cotton on the other hand is tricky. So that's a big plus for rayon for sure. The flavor is imo about the same as cotton but feels sweeter. It's also mega cheap and easy to work with. It definitely carry the juice better then cotton as well but for me, that's never been needed as most of my kayfuns I vape at 20 or higher watts with no issues with cotton. Haven't tried it in drip per attys yet and alot of the rayon raves have been with these attys so I must try that. All in all rayon is pretty awesome but for me it's not that much different in performance to cotton and it certainly is no game changer . I do have about 20 years worth and if anyone would like to try I can send.

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Hey if you could mail me some to try that would be sweet! I wanna see what all the hype is about.

 

[vapdivrr]

Hey if you could mail me some to try that would be sweet! I wanna see what all the hype is about.

No problem just pm me you address

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[vapdivrr]

I think much may depend much on builds and power levels. I'm sure I used too much rayon on my first wicking attempt, but... I run my Kayfuns at closer to 10 watts than 20 -- typically using a 1.3 ohm 28 gauge 5/64" coil with short wicks just touching the bottom of the deck and pasted to the vertical sidewalls.

absolutely like you said it really depends, so many variables. and its feel as well, it felt like I used twice as much rayon but in real amounts I'm not 100 percent sure because it's so hard to like measure it but in my cotton builds my cotton slides pretty easily, in the rayon build much more resistance as I try to slide. Also this rayon has a weird feel to it, it's shiny and definitely looks 100 percent man made, hopefully it's not too bad for us? I feel as with any wick, as long as it stays wet it's good.

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[brekec88]

Im excited to try rayon. My biggest problem with cotton is having to get 'just the right' amount wicked. I'm pretty consistent on wicking them now but it would be nice not to have to worry about it ever. My cousin is going to love this stuff too if it works as well as you guys say. She always has problems putting too much or too little cotton in her kayfuns.

Oh and if it lasts longer than cotton like some of you have said. Would be sweet not to change wicks so often.

 

[dwcraig1]

Well I've switched over to rayon on in most of my other atties so I guess a Kafun is next then I can post about the results.

 

[dwcraig1]

My take on rayon in a Kayfun is "tainted", you see I was using silica and a non-micro coil so switching to a micro with rayon leaves me with nothing to compare to. (i wanted to compare to cotton) Guess I'll have to wick it with cotton next.
But it sure works good.

 

[AndriaD]

For me personally, I did have to use twice as much as cotton. initially I used just a tad bit more then cotton and after an hour I started to hear that "sizzle after letting go of the fire button sound". soon after dry hits. When I opened it up the wick looked whimpy and had sagged. This rayon doesn't swell like cotton, it actually remains the same size or actually matts some. After increasing the amounts next, it worked great. Tbh I don't think the results would be good in a kayfun if one used the same amount of rayon as cotton.

I agree completely, though I'm not certain that "twice as much" is what I've ended up using; I do know it's considerably more than I used with cotton. When I first put a new wick in, I juice the ends and place them just-so on the little ledges, before screwing on the chimney bottom. As soon as I did this with the rayon, using just about the same amount as I would with cotton, it wicks so well that immediately the entire wick was saturated, and I could clearly see that it was definitely not filling the coil. So I pulled it out and then I did use "twice as much", and that worked great for the rest of the day -- but the next morning, I started getting that infamous burnt taste, and when I checked it, I could see that although it wasn't as black as cotton would have gotten, it was definitely scorched. So I did a new one, still using a good bit, but maybe only about 1.5 times as much, or just a bit more, but not twice as much. That was Saturday morning, and this particular coil/wick is still in use, and still vaping very well.

I don't think I notice any "difference" in taste, but maybe a bit stronger, clearer taste of the e-juice. The main benefit I can see is that with cotton, I could not go above 8.5w without IMMEDIATELY getting a burnt taste; with rayon, I can go to 9w or 9.5w, and get no burnt taste, but obviously, a lot more vapor. I didn't notice any particular taste of "breaking in" just from the rayon, but with the one I've done that I also replaced the coil along with the wick, I did notice a short period of a *slightly* odd taste, probably just the brand new coil breaking in. After about 8-10 hits, that was gone, and all I could taste was a VERY clear taste of the e-juice.

Game changer? Maybe not. Better than cotton, and easier to deal with, when you've had issues with a burnt taste from cotton? DEFINITELY!

Andria

 

[muzichead]

I have given up on all wicking media since finding Ready-X-Wick. It saturates very well, only a very small amount needed, just dry fire to clean and go... No muss no fuss. The only time I have to change a wick is when I recoil and that only happens when I'm bored with the coil I am running, which is not that often... I still have 6" left of the original foot I bought 4 1/2 months ago and thats after giving away 4" to a fellow vapor... No looking back...

 

[Kyi]

Is there more than one nano sized tube? I ordered a Tobecco KFL a while back on ebay and picked up a nano drop kit as well, and recently I ordered a HCIGAR KFL that included a HCIGAR 'specific' nano kit. The HCigar nano kit's metal top and bottom ring seems to be slightly larger than the 'normal' nano kit, and also included a shorter top cap. Overall, it is about the same size in height as the 'normal' nano, but seems to hold more liquid because of the larger rings. I think I prefer the smaller nano but I do like the shorter top cap.