Status
Not open for further replies.

vapdivrr

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 8, 2012
9,966
19,933
61
sarasota,fl
Yes, I have - following your great micro coil video(s)! ;)

I've used 24ga, 26ga and 28ga - all wrapped on a 16ga blunt tip needle and using cotton wicks from sterile cotton balls. My preferred resistance is in the .7-.8 ohm range but I've gone higher just for testing.

Wick is generally not too snug in the coil, no shoulders, with tails just a smidge longer than it takes to reach the deck - but, I've tried many different wick configurations/lengths, all with varying degrees of success but with the same ultimate outcome - dry hits after a few good vapes.

it definity sounds like you have tried it all for sure, the only thing that may play a part in it is when you say " the wick is generally not to snug in the coil" what i have found is that, i have better results with a more snug coil then one that is not. i have done coils where the wick slides in to easily and instead of re-doing it more snug, i have completed the set-up just to find that this was the culprit. i have found that as i pull the wick through its almost to the point of bunching up, these are usually better then one that slides in to easily.
 

vapdivrr

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 8, 2012
9,966
19,933
61
sarasota,fl
i have often heard mention of a sizzle sound with the k-lite, some just get the sound while some may get some slight spitting, me i just get the sound and nothing comes up through the drip tip. although i have a few ideas to what it is im not 100 percent sure. for me i think i have found a pattern to it, when i do a new build with a new coil & wick i get this sound and it stays for maybe a day or less but then goes away. i know its not from a fresh battery because when the sound goes away it doesn't come back when i install a new battery. i initially thought it had to do with coil distance but unless my coil moves after a build, it cant be this. maybe its something in the cotton, like moisture, but that doesn't sound right, or maybe its the cotton when its not fully saturated?. maybe its the sound of a clean coil and once some build up happens it stops? this sound doesn't bother me nor does it effect the performance, i just would like to know what causes the sound. does anyone know exactly? and why does it go away after the break-in?
 

vapdivrr

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 8, 2012
9,966
19,933
61
sarasota,fl
Surprised about the fill screw issue. With such a well designed atty you'd think they'd have an o ring or a better solution for the fill screw when many of us experience leakage there.

when i first received the lite it leaked slightly from the bottom screw, i then replaced it with one of the extra screws that came with it and haven't had any issues since. i just think some of the screws are not made very good. did yours come with extra screws? if not your screwed.
 

The Yeti

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 19, 2009
1,301
896
Black Hills, SD
it definity sounds like you have tried it all for sure, the only thing that may play a part in it is when you say " the wick is generally not to snug in the coil" what i have found is that, i have better results with a more snug coil then one that is not. i have done coils where the wick slides in to easily and instead of re-doing it more snug, i have completed the set-up just to find that this was the culprit. i have found that as i pull the wick through its almost to the point of bunching up, these are usually better then one that slides in to easily.

Like I said, I've tried *many* different wick configurations, and "fatter" wicks are one of those....I'm hoping against hope that my 2nd KFL will be a revelation. ;)
 

donnah

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 22, 2010
4,470
4,463
Albemarle, North Carolina
An update... I've pretty much got my wicking issues resolved. I didn't have enough cotton at the channels to suck up juice as I vaped, giving me the dry hits. I haven't seen this mentioned yet but something that has helped me, after screwing on the chamber, I take a couple small bits of cotton and place them down in the chamber on top of the wick tails, this seems to further help with wicking.

Also something else I've noticed. When I change my wick, I rinse everything off and then dry burn my coil to clean it. If I don't rinse the coil again after dry burning the gunk off, I get an off/metallic taste. It's wicking and not dry but the flavor is off and I can taste the coil.. But if I rinse the coil after dry burning it, I don't get the metallic taste. This may help those who are having flavor issues.

I got my second kfl today :D
 

donnah

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 22, 2010
4,470
4,463
Albemarle, North Carolina
Like I said, I've tried *many* different wick configurations, and "fatter" wicks are one of those....I'm hoping against hope that my 2nd KFL will be a revelation. ;)

Don't give up! For the first month or so after getting mine I got dry hit after dry hit.. the only way I could get it to wick was to cover the air hole and give it some dry pulls. Once I figured out how much cotton to use (my wicks were on the skimpy side) and that the cotton needs to be right there to suck up the juice as it's sucked in (as opposed to as far away from the inlet as I could get it) I've had no more wicking issues.

As I stated above, I also figured out the my coil needs to be rinsed after dry burning or I get a metallic taste. I guess after dry burning, the coil is ashy or something.
 

Rule62

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 28, 2011
5,765
15,339
Melbourne, Florida
i have often heard mention of a sizzle sound with the k-lite, some just get the sound while some may get some slight spitting, me i just get the sound and nothing comes up through the drip tip. although i have a few ideas to what it is im not 100 percent sure. for me i think i have found a pattern to it, when i do a new build with a new coil & wick i get this sound and it stays for maybe a day or less but then goes away. i know its not from a fresh battery because when the sound goes away it doesn't come back when i install a new battery. i initially thought it had to do with coil distance but unless my coil moves after a build, it cant be this. maybe its something in the cotton, like moisture, but that doesn't sound right, or maybe its the cotton when its not fully saturated?. maybe its the sound of a clean coil and once some build up happens it stops? this sound doesn't bother me nor does it effect the performance, i just would like to know what causes the sound. does anyone know exactly? and why does it go away after the break-in?

I think it happens because it takes a lot longer for the cotton to fully saturate than we think it does. I've installed new wicks, waited a few minutes before vaping, and had the sound. Eventually, it stops. I've also put a Kayfun up for the night, picked it up first thing in the morning, and had it vape perfectly, with zero noise.
 

vapdivrr

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 8, 2012
9,966
19,933
61
sarasota,fl
Like I said, I've tried *many* different wick configurations, and "fatter" wicks are one of those....I'm hoping against hope that my 2nd KFL will be a revelation. ;)

i hope so too. anyways just for the heck of it, i will send off a coil for you to try, cant hurt.
 

vapdivrr

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 8, 2012
9,966
19,933
61
sarasota,fl
I think it happens because it takes a lot longer for the cotton to fully saturate than we think it does. I've installed new wicks, waited a few minutes before vaping, and had the sound. Eventually, it stops. I've also put a Kayfun up for the night, picked it up first thing in the morning, and had it vape perfectly, with zero noise.

i think your right and it sounds like the most viable reason. so for now its the saturation sound until someone has a better explanation.
 

vapdivrr

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 8, 2012
9,966
19,933
61
sarasota,fl
An update... I've pretty much got my wicking issues resolved. I didn't have enough cotton at the channels to suck up juice as I vaped, giving me the dry hits. I haven't seen this mentioned yet but something that has helped me, after screwing on the chamber, I take a couple small bits of cotton and place them down in the chamber on top of the wick tails, this seems to further help with wicking.

Also something else I've noticed. When I change my wick, I rinse everything off and then dry burn my coil to clean it. If I don't rinse the coil again after dry burning the gunk off, I get an off/metallic taste. It's wicking and not dry but the flavor is off and I can taste the coil.. But if I rinse the coil after dry burning it, I don't get the metallic taste. This may help those who are having flavor issues.

I got my second kfl today :D

good point, and i bet really dark juices can leave even more. for me, i don't vape really dark juices and i seem to change out my wick evry few days so it doesn't really get to bad, but for me a dry burn & brush off does the trick, but if i ever stop messing around with different coils and actually leave my wick alone im sure it can stay for a week or so then at that point im sure its going to need a better cleaning, and a rinse sound good.
 

Bronze

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 19, 2012
40,240
187,984
i hope so too. anyways just for the heck of it, i will send off a coil for you to try, cant hurt.

I think this is a good idea. You have a proven subohm wick/coil. If it doesn't work for Yeti then perhaps his mech(s) is not meant for subohm on the KFL. If it does work, then it proves it can be done.
 

Bronze

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 19, 2012
40,240
187,984
Reposted here...

This is my KFL wick/coil setup. As you can see, there is nothing pretty about it (I've had probably 8 - 10 tanks from this wick so far). But she hits like a freight train. Vaped on a Provari.

Coil: 30 ga Kanthal, 10 wrap microcoil, 2.0 mm inside diameter, 1.9 ohms
Wick: four strands of 1mm silica (double strand fed with fish tape to make fours strands)

 

bapgood

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 16, 2012
4,426
6,599
45
Utah
The bad thing about vw is that you can't go past 15 watts.. I like 20 watts..

I usually wrap my coil at .9


Dna20 mods do 20 watts


They're expensive right now and there's no point in getting a vw. I think it's better if you get better at making coils cause I'm usually proud of my coils and how they hit..

Takes practice to get what you want



IMHO your not vaping at 20 watts with a 0.9 ohm coil on a mech....probably closer to 16 watts and dropping as the battery drains.

A DNA20 mod will output ~4.2-4.3v on a 0.9 ohm coil set at 20 watts from start to finish....or you could turn it down to 16 watts and match the mech performance ;)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread