Laser Prototype Beta Testing in progress...

[WitchWay]

Ah, but your words make more sense!

Oh not true... you covered way different points that hadn't even crossed my mind to think about. I'm worried, because I ordered protected batteries and hope they fit/work. The one I have now is unprotected.

Personally I think the button is too hard to press, but it will probably loosen up a bit too. I don't put mine in my pocket so don't worry about it getting accidently pushed, but can understand where that is a concern. As stiff as mine is, it would take a lot to push it in a pocket, but it could happen.

I also agree that the excess space in the length is not needed. The smaller the better is my preference, but the size is still good as is.

I like the weight. I wear it around my neck and it's not heavy at all, though I am aware it's there. Hubby thought it was thin also. He said the LazerV1 is thicker and more solid feeling. It feels fine to me as is, but as you said, time will tell how well it holds up.

Keep writing Mike because you are making me look at things I hadn't looked at

 

[Thyestean]

Try flipping the battery Thye, like you would with a Silver Lpv to see the light

Oh I could see the light with the atty off just not any light trickling out with the atty on

OK, next step - Fire this baby up!!! I got out some batteries. I have a couple protected 10440's and went to put one in. It doesn't fit!!! OK Mike, breath.... it'll be OK.... we'll figure this out! After some fiddling I found that both my 10440's will fit but it's such a tight fit I doubt I'd be able to get one of them out. For whatever reason (I think it's the protection circuitry that adds thickness AND length and the workmanship on the batts isn't terribly consistent!).

I carefully spun the smaller battery around and around while mostly inserted. Keep your minds outta the gutter people! I don't know if the tube actually got reshaped (i.e. maybe it was slightly crushed out-of-round during shipping?) but the battery did start to fit a little better. It fit good enough for me to feel ok putting it all the way in! Push it in, go to screw on end cap - DUH! it doesn't fit!!!!

I then proceeded to try flipping the battery around to see if that'd help, soon as I started to get the cap threads close to meeting it started to get HOT!?!? This scared my girlie pants enough that I quickly removed the battery and drank a beer! I then got curious and decided I better verify the heat thing before posting as maybe I did something wrong. Reinserted it and yep, soon as the endcap touches the body the batt gets HOT! (BTW, the temp problem only happens when the + side is facing the endcap)

Ok so I know someone else had that same issue when using "protected" batteries.

So I'm curious about a couple things. And please nobody take any part of it as anything more than it is meant as which is general curiosity.

I know there were people doing the same thing with the silver lasers before too so I have to ask. Why would anyone start out trying to put the battery in with the positive toward the atty connector and the negative toward the end cap? I know the silver lasers would perform with the battery in that way but not as well as when the battery was turned around.

The reason I ask why anyone would put it in that way is because anything else in the world that takes batteries takes the negative end against the spring and the positive end toward the contact strip/plate. So my automatic reaction when first opening one and going to put a battery in is to put the negative toward the atty connection because that is where the spring is.

I know MM said that putting the + end toward the end cap is when he ran into the sudden heating problem, which is the same thing experienced by the other person I mentioned, but I only use mine in that direction and have no issues whatsoever.

Now I only use the blue "unprotected" batteries in my lasers. I do have a couple of the blue ones with the 10440P stamped on them, that came with my 510 passthroughs, and had assumed they were "protected" previously when talking about using them in the silver laser in other threads. However after realizing they are exactly the same size as the "unprotected" ones sold to go with the lasers I doubt they're "protected".

So the only thing that makes sense to me is that the lasers are made to be used with the blue "unprotected" batteries and that the people trying to use the other "protected" ones are having issues due to trying to use a battery that is bigger than what the unit is made to take. Or a problem with the "protected" batteries themselves.

 

[WitchWay]

Ok hubby has a very strong opinion on this so I said I'd come post it. He feels this was originally a laser, that the light inside is most likely not like the LEDs used on standard PVs and draws quite a bit more power, thus shortening the life of the battery. He feels it really needs to be disconected.

Well I read Isaac's post about turning the battery around to see the light so figured i'd turn mine around so the light doesn't come on. We will see if it makes a difference on the battery life. Now with this done and reading Thy's post about the LaserV1 not working as well with the battery backwards, I got worried. This one seems to work the same with the battery in either direction but thought I'd have hubby check the voltage to make sure. This is an unprotected battery and it's been used for a couple hours. It tested 3.9 volts in both directions. This same battery tested 4.3 volts right off the charger earlier.

I kinda like this testing stuff LOL Not sure hubby does because I keep bugging him to check things for me and ask him what he thinks. He puts up with me so well though

One last thought... I get lost on this whole protected, not protected battery issue, but Thy commented he had a battery that had the P on it but he doesn't think it is protected. The thread in the announcement section about Expolding mods makes mention something about two types of protection and that some batteries only have the one type of protection, but can still be marked as protected. If I read it right they do not have the circuit protection in them so are not bigger in size. or something to that effect. Better yet read the thread, because like I said I don't understand all this stuff and probably have that all mixed up

 

[WitchWay]

Silver Lpv

Ok this is easier than LazerV1 and LazerV2 so from now on I'm going to write LVP1 and LVP2

 

[SimonTam]

My KR8 laser arrived yesterday, neatly bubble wrapped in a padded envelope. It's a black one with silver caps. Pretty sharp looking. The button has a good, solid feel to it. I could smell the paint a little, but nothing major. Mine did not have a vent hole in it, but I'm not really concerned about that since most venting issues seem to happen with two batteries used in series. The battery cap is knurled and easy to remove. My cartomizers seem to seat very nicely on the connector.

Unfortunately I will have to wait until next week to actually use it, since I don't have any 10440 batteries. I will post more then.

 

[JamBandPhan]

OK, next step - Fire this baby up!!! I got out some batteries. I have a couple protected 10440's and went to put one in. It doesn't fit!!! OK Mike, breath.... it'll be OK.... we'll figure this out! After some fiddling I found that both my 10440's will fit but it's such a tight fit I doubt I'd be able to get one of them out. For whatever reason (I think it's the protection circuitry that adds thickness AND length and the workmanship on the batts isn't terribly consistent!).

I carefully spun the smaller battery around and around while mostly inserted. Keep your minds outta the gutter people! I don't know if the tube actually got reshaped (i.e. maybe it was slightly crushed out-of-round during shipping?) but the battery did start to fit a little better. It fit good enough for me to feel ok putting it all the way in! Push it in, go to screw on end cap - DUH! it doesn't fit!!!!

I then proceeded to try flipping the battery around to see if that'd help, soon as I started to get the cap threads close to meeting it started to get HOT!?!? This scared my girlie pants enough that I quickly removed the battery and drank a beer! I then got curious and decided I better verify the heat thing before posting as maybe I did something wrong. Reinserted it and yep, soon as the endcap touches the body the batt gets HOT! (BTW, the temp problem only happens when the + side is facing the endcap)

which brand (type) of battery did you use? I am curious about the blue 10440P batteries, Janty sells them and claims they are protected (hense the P at the end of the number) and I do have one here now, in my PT. I would rather use that one because I know it will fit in the PV better than these gray Trustfire batteries. I am also having a problem getting 2 out of 4 of my gray TF to charge, they just don't want to make contact with the connectors in my charger. I am starting to feel like I wasted a bit of money ordering these TF batteries. I have 4 of the blue 10440P coming from Janty, so they should be here soon.

I had no problem getting the Beta to work with the battery inserted negative to spring. I wonder what made Mastiff's heat up like that? Could part of the plastic wrapper on the battery be torn so the battery is making contact with the side of the tube? I noticed on one of my gray TF the plastic tore a bit trying to insert it into the silver laser mod, and exposed some of the metal on the side.

I am on day 2 of testing the Beta, it seems to perform really well overall. I think I will go get that blue battery out of my PT and see how it fits/works over the gray TF that I started with, and use that today.

 

[HzG8rGrl]

SimonT-Is your Kr8 laser one you ordered from the website? If so, that would explain why there is no vent hole. The ones being discussed here are being beta tested and are not yet on the market.
I am quite sure though, you will still thoroughly enjoy your new laser. Congrats on the reception and I do hope you get your bats soon!!!!!!

 

[stubear62]

Hey,
I too am testing this for Isaac and he asked me if I was up to thetask.
Being this is my very 1st Lpv and all, I said yes, who wouldn't?
So far I inspected this pv with a fine tooth brush (figure of speech, LOL)
I like the paint job and have been using it for 3 days so far. (this being day 3) and I like it. No issues with the button as others have been having. The batt end cap does feel rough and need to screw and unscrew it very slowly. The 'O' ring is to prevent you from screwing the cap on too tight and not being able to unscrew it. Good idea there. Plus with the 'O' ring on the the protruding button, this won't roll offthe table or desk.
I am using an unprotected 10440 batt from a 510 USB pv. Its from my wife that I gave her. I did order 3 new batts that are protected 10440's and waiting for them to arrive. The batt fits loose enough to slide in and out with no problems so far. Mine is for the 901 atty (I did ask for a 510 in purple, but only 3 colors and forgot to let Isaac know about the 510again and talked about the 901) which is fine with me and I am loving the 901 atty and flavor and vapor I am getting.
I don't see any LED go on or off and I wonder where its at? I put the + side in first. Does this matter? I see others are putting in the - side first and the + towards the end cap? Which way does the battery go in the Lpv? Please et me know. TY. Also, the only other thing is I have become accustomed to when the batt is dying as the vapor starts to get less and less. Thats it for now and will do a video after the two weeks are up!!
Vape On!!

 

[Iken]

Hey Stu, good to see ya!
The battery is meant to be used either which way really. The heating up problem from Mike's lpv and Wway's hubby's thought of disconnecting the laser lightbulb means it may be best to recommend to have the positive end to the atomizer.





For Protected vs Unprotected batteries. We just received our battery order which had a few unchangeable errors. We did receive the protected Trustfire TR10440 model, they have the same diameter and width as the unprotected Ultrafire and Usb pass-through batteries, they are 3 mm
Grey PT battery 44.12mm
Ultrafire battery 44.23
Trustfire Protected 46.30

 

[stubear62]

Why am I thank you?
For giving me those sites to buy the battery from.
I used the High Tech Dealz site and the batts were very cheap. Waiting for them now. They were $5.58 for 3 of them..
So thats why I am thanking you!!
Stu

 

[Iken]

Haha Thats great though! These trustfires fit the silver lpv's in diameter, BUT the length is 1 of 2 and for the prototypes you guys have, they go in smoothly till the negative side reaches the tube, the stuck a Sad day indeed

 

[whiskey]

I Found That O Ring Good That It Was Posted About It Being In The Package..My End Cap Was A Little Gritty Putting It Back On. I Used A Tiny 1/2 Drop Machine Oil, Worked It Better & Smoother. Finding Great Vape, Good Juice Taste. The Length Compares To The 801, Which I Have And It Feels Like That In My Hands(Love That Ol' 801)
The Paint Job On Mine Is very Nice, No Blemishes, Nice & Shiney. I Think There Are Other Colors Out There, Black Etc. Battery Is Great Fit. So Far I'm Lovin It!!
I Use The Unprotected Ultrafire Batts & Get Plenty Of Time On Them. No Stick On Button Yet,
We'll See W/Use How It Holds Up.

 

[JamBandPhan]

I put the blue 10440p from my passthrough into the LPV and it fit much better, no issues at all installing it, there is even a little extra room so it should not get stuck. Now the real question is, are these actually protected batteries. I am still digging around on line trying to find a straight answer. Hopefully something solid will turn up, Google, don't fail me now!

Isaac, I was thinking, assuming you are able to find low cost supplies, it would be worth the extra $ (at least to me ) to offer a "kit" with your mods. Once you establish which batteries actually are protected and fit well in the unit, you could then offer say- 2 batteries and a charger with your unit, or maybe as an add on to the purchase "should be used with: ___ batteries and charger" to eliminate the confusion and taking some of the guess work and searching to find the right battery once they make the purchase. I am sure you have thought of this on some level, since you are trying to stock the batteries, but I just thought I'd mention it anyway.

 

[JamBandPhan]

I'm thinking of upgrading my paint job once this trial is over. I will be painting the lower half of my 13' "egg" camper with some spray on Rustolium brand hammered metal looking paint that is a sort of brown/bronze color and slightly textured to give a hammered metal look. Since my LPV already has some rough spots, and I still can't seem to get used to the red color, I figured why not? I will definitely take steps to protect the button area and silver parts. This paint is supposed to be very rugged, outdoor/indoor paint, so I have good faith that it will be durable enough to use this way (at least I hope) Can anyone think of a reason that this is a bad idea?

* I do plan to sand the current paint job down so I can get the new paint to stick better.

 

[Iken]

I Found That O Ring Good That It Was Posted About It Being In The Package..My End Cap Was A Little Gritty Putting It Back On. I Used A Tiny 1/2 Drop Machine Oil, Worked It Better & Smoother. Finding Great Vape, Good Juice Taste. The Length Compares To The 801, Which I Have And It Feels Like That In My Hands(Love That Ol' 801)
The Paint Job On Mine Is very Nice, No Blemishes, Nice & Shiney. I Think There Are Other Colors Out There, Black Etc. Battery Is Great Fit And So Are Carts. So Far I'm Lovin It!!

Thats great Whiskey! I added this pipe lubercant to most of them, but it made more of a mess than anything I'm glad that the machine oil gave you a better result!
I have an 801 LPV proto, but the airflow was too constricting to put it out on the market.

I put the blue 10440p from my passthrough into the LPV and it fit much better, no issues at all installing it, there is even a little extra room so it should not get stuck. Now the real question is, are these actually protected batteries. I am still digging around on line trying to find a straight answer. Hopefully something solid will turn up, Google, don't fail me now!

Isaac, I was thinking, assuming you are able to find low cost supplies, it would be worth the extra $ (at least to me ) to offer a "kit" with your mods. Once you establish which batteries actually are protected and fit well in the unit, you could then offer say- 2 batteries and a charger with your unit, or maybe as an add on to the purchase "should be used with: ___ batteries and charger" to eliminate the confusion and taking some of the guess work and searching to find the right battery once they make the purchase. I am sure you have thought of this on some level, since you are trying to stock the batteries, but I just thought I'd mention it anyway.

Hey Jammers,
From what I'm gathering from my battery supplier, there is only one type of protected 10440's and it is Trustfire. The manufacture see's no need to make these protected because of the small size. That's what we were talking about last night anyway. You see, E-cigs really do have protection, the LED pcb acts like a protection as well. She was saying about if there was an accident somehow with 10440 it wouldn't cause much harm at all because of the size. She also said that there never has been any incident regarding 10440's anyway.
Regarding the add-on options, Yes! I would just Love to do it this way,. Even though I order from several companies the same day the delivery times are all different. By the time I sell out again the next shipment magically arrives. It's been a pretty bad streak of luck for bundling options. I would like to supply 10440 specific chargers very soon . When I have the chance bundling will definitely be added.

 

[WitchWay]

Ok everybody be very careful putting the battery in with the positive side to the spring. My spring is not centered and last night when I put the battery in backwards, positive side first, it pushed the spring over. I got lucky and it worked last night. Today however is a different story, the spring got pushed over and was touching the side and it wouldn't work at all. Hubby got the spring straigten back up and I put the battery in the right way, negative side first and it's working again now. So check the placement of your spring inside the tube before putting the battery in positive side first.

Someone mentioned getting batteries from Janty, but I couldn't find any on their site. Battery Junction had a fire and are not in business at the moment. I did however just find the unprotected 10440 TrustFire batteries at lighthound.com for $3.99 each. They are in Texas so if they ship today, I choose UPS ground, I should have them tomorrow.

Ok I'm gone until later today/tonight. Have a wonderful Wednesday and Happy Vaping!

 

[Swipple]

Finally got home about 11 last night and sure enough it was sitting in my mailbox!! Let me tell you I had to fire it up before I unloaded the car. Initial observations:

1) Looks exactley like the red 901 Lazer, just fractionally smaller and black.
2) The O ring was on mine however appears to be too big as it pooped itself out of the groove while twisting the battery cap with very little resistance.
3) Shockingly good vape much stronger than the original 901 lazer and the 901/KR8 Lazer all with freshly charged batteries. Interestingly enough it does not heat up my atty the same as the KR8. Hits like my 5v 510 PT with the 901 adapter.

I will keep you updated as I use it more....Thanks Isaac

 

[MastiffMike]

The batteries I'm using are these:
Protected 10440 Battery, 350 mAH
They're protected 10440's and the only one's I have. With the recent battery issue (on another device, in another thread) I'm leary of using unprotected. If I had some I guess I'd try them but since I don't I'll stick with these.

BTW, I'm no battery expert but I've been told that you can (usually) tell visibly if a battery is protected. If you look at the sides of the ends (see Isaac's picture for a good example) you'll notice there's a slight groove. If it's protected, there will be a groove at BOTH ends. My understanding is that there's a pcb at the negative end and a wire that actually connects both ends. This explains why protected batts are wider and longer than unprotected. Again, I stress I'm no batt expert but that's my understanding. Of course if protected, it should be printed on the label too!

As far as why I intial put mine in + side first? I guess I didn't know there was a spring at the other end! Most flashlights I have have the spring on the endcap and so I assumed the batts would go in the same way, even though there's no endcap spring. Now I know that the other way is the "intended" way.

For whatever reason (tube cross section being adjusted/fixed from battery being in it?) my other battery now fits! I tried it both ways though and get the same results. - side in first and things heat up, + side in first and it vapes! I really don't understand why this is. I've inspected my batteries with a magnify glass and there's no visible damage to the exterior wrapping. Both of these batts are new and unused prior to this testing.

Regardless of which way I put the batt in the endcap does NOT screw on all the way. With a lot of grunting and cussing I can get it to screw on a little over half way. With no batt in it screws all the way on, just not with the length of my protected batts.

I'll keep testing and see what else I can figure out.

With the batt in (correctly for my) it does vape quite nicely! It's no Chameleon but it sure blows away a stock 901 or 510! Other than the issues I've reported it's very nice.

 

[SimonTam]

SimonT-Is your Kr8 laser one you ordered from the website? If so, that would explain why there is no vent hole. The ones being discussed here are being beta tested and are not yet on the market.
I am quite sure though, you will still thoroughly enjoy your new laser. Congrats on the reception and I do hope you get your bats soon!!!!!!

No, I'm one of his 10 beta testers. I hope I get my batteries soon as well, because this thing is sitting here mocking me.

 

[Iken]

My understanding is that there's a pcb at the negative end and a wire that actually connects both ends. This explains why protected batts are wider and longer than unprotected.
Well said sir, your observations are correct .


Aw Simon! I'm sorry.