Local NW Floridian with severe injuries from exploding ecig battery
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I think I'll open up my own business in my basement...Why not? Everyone else is doing it.
And I'll be selling strictly mods. Don't know a whole lot about it, and I certainly won't know how 'safe' the stuff will be, but who cares? It's up to the consumers to educate themselves, ya know?
Yep...I'm going to call it "The mod Squad".
(Edit) Oh, and by the way, I'm kidding, of course. I do feel consumers need to educate themselves, but I also feel vendors have an even greater responsibility.
Interesting very few of them (if any), have commented in this thread. Perhaps they have elsewhere? (Sorry, haven't looked around enough, I suppose).
And I'll be selling strictly mods. Don't know a whole lot about it, and I certainly won't know how 'safe' the stuff will be, but who cares? It's up to the consumers to educate themselves, ya know?
Yep...I'm going to call it "The mod Squad".
(Edit) Oh, and by the way, I'm kidding, of course. I do feel consumers need to educate themselves, but I also feel vendors have an even greater responsibility.
Interesting very few of them (if any), have commented in this thread. Perhaps they have elsewhere? (Sorry, haven't looked around enough, I suppose).
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What? That logic confuses me somewhat. I guess the way I look at it is its a numbers game, the more of any product thats out there the more instances of failure there will be - for instance ovens exploding, there are MILLIONS of ovens in use, even a 4% failure rate is going to net huge numbers in any given time frame. Because of this is one of the reasons there hasnt been MORE incidents of exploding mods.
Then again, its early, I need more coffee and perhaps we are drawing the same conclusion in different ways..
I do agree that comparing this to cellphone or other battery device is getting out of hand, its just not that simple.
Sadly, after an amazing 569 posts, and over 76,000 views, I'm not entirely sure I've seen a "right answer" yet.
For me, the right answer (and the one I've wanted since this thread started), is precisely what type of equipment he was using, and how he was using it, when the 'explosion' occured.
That would be interesting info. Something even better would be just how safe is the combination of components and practices you are using right now.
Whew, sure glad I did't buy my pipe bomb mod and batteries from the same modder as he did, I'm safe, won't do it for me.
Is MY current vape safe is more important to me.
I don't think unless it somehow leaks out from a source other than the injured party we'll ever find out. (unless it goes to trial and those facts are made public. If the injured party was gonna release those facts to HELP us, he already would have.
As consumers, we have a right to expect a product to be as safe as possible. If it is designed as such, and adequate instructions and warnings are enclosed with the product, then the vendor has done their job. If we choose to ignore that information, then we have made that choice ..
The e-cig is touted as being a great way to quit analogs. Although the vendors are prohibited from using that, they don't need to since there are plenty of testimonials to be seen right here on ECF. So, the industry becomes known as a way to quit, and millions upon millions of folks think they have been thrown a lifeline since nothing else has worked for them. The lifeline is an electronic device that ends up being available in a great variety of styles, and a whole cottage industry grows up around vendors and tinkerers that try to improve the wheel and make some money off these millions of folks.
During this growth phase, no trade organization, no industry standards, no group is formed to test / evaluate / the electronic device. And many users, feel that intervention by Uncle Sam is uncalled for. Some envisioning a vast conspiracy of which the e-cig should not be allowed to become a part of .. and others that advocate "self-education" ..
Then, as time goes by, flaws in the current way of doing things start cropping up, and there is evidence that people are actually getting injured .. yet, very, very little, if anything, is put forth by the vendors that have and are profiting from this technology ..
And sadly, many of the most vocal advocates of no regulation are absent from this thread ..
The e-cig is touted as being a great way to quit analogs. Although the vendors are prohibited from using that, they don't need to since there are plenty of testimonials to be seen right here on ECF. So, the industry becomes known as a way to quit, and millions upon millions of folks think they have been thrown a lifeline since nothing else has worked for them. The lifeline is an electronic device that ends up being available in a great variety of styles, and a whole cottage industry grows up around vendors and tinkerers that try to improve the wheel and make some money off these millions of folks.
During this growth phase, no trade organization, no industry standards, no group is formed to test / evaluate / the electronic device. And many users, feel that intervention by Uncle Sam is uncalled for. Some envisioning a vast conspiracy of which the e-cig should not be allowed to become a part of .. and others that advocate "self-education" ..
Then, as time goes by, flaws in the current way of doing things start cropping up, and there is evidence that people are actually getting injured .. yet, very, very little, if anything, is put forth by the vendors that have and are profiting from this technology ..
And sadly, many of the most vocal advocates of no regulation are absent from this thread ..
Uncle Willie,
I liked your post, thumbs up there.
deach,
How about the responsibility to alert parallel customers that may have the same situation.
In the auto industry there is a balance between liability and publicly recalling a product.
Is that keeping the lid on this? Settlement cheaper than going public?
Are others getting emails from vendors? Sort of a behind the scenes recall?
I liked your post, thumbs up there.
deach,
How about the responsibility to alert parallel customers that may have the same situation.
In the auto industry there is a balance between liability and publicly recalling a product.
Is that keeping the lid on this? Settlement cheaper than going public?
Are others getting emails from vendors? Sort of a behind the scenes recall?
The one thing I am certain of, is the vendors are closely watching this safety issue .. and, I would venture to guess, some may be seriously re-evaluating their products. Which makes their silence even more telling ..
Agree on all counts. And I think that's what is bugging me the most. The way this whole thing seems to have been swept under the rug...at least for now. Just amazing to me. Consumers have a right to know what happened here, and what possible steps are being taken to prevent it from happening again.
Pretty much every other industry would handle it this way. It apparently for some reason doesn't seem to apply to this industry. But yeah, you can bet it's being discussed 'behind closed doors'.
That will put a dent in the supply chain for a while. Incorporating improvement, stocking different components, updating websites. It is happening now if you search a little.
Impact? Upset customers, bad supplier reviews, because of a delay in getting what you ordered.
Ever see a bad review of a supplier because of a shipping delay?
The mentality of "I want it now" is evident in 'pre-orders'.
Waiting is a bad thing.
Before a device has been evaluated by the public, I want to be in there first.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/mods-discussion/270165-i-make-80-week-need-mod.html
Interesting in light of the issues we speak of here ..
Interesting in light of the issues we speak of here ..
I wonder, I really wonder. Someone, somewhere knows what this device battery combo was. You can bet if the place it came from knows, there's lots of behinds the mails going on.
I wondered about that too. Although there's all kinds of plastic mods out there for under that, but the timing just seemed odd to me. Love your train of thought!!!
When I said the manufacturer bears the responsibility, not the consumer...
The manufacturers are selling potential pipe bombs to little old ladies.
Some little old ladies will use the internet to find the cheapest batteries and chargers available.
They can not and should not be expected to understand anything about battery safety.
Therefore they MUST be informed by the manufacturer in a way that is impossible to ignore.
Beyond that point, things get complicated...
EDIT: No offense to little old ladies
EDIT: I'm sure there are plenty of little old ladies that know more about battery safety than I ever will
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The manufacturers are selling potential pipe bombs to little old ladies.
Some little old ladies will use the internet to find the cheapest batteries and chargers available.
They can not and should not be expected to understand anything about battery safety.
Therefore they MUST be informed by the manufacturer in a way that is impossible to ignore.
Beyond that point, things get complicated...
EDIT: No offense to little old ladies
EDIT: I'm sure there are plenty of little old ladies that know more about battery safety than I ever will
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So, this thread has turned into a safetly lesson which is good. Im trying to learn all I can to make this as safe as possible. Maybe we should compile a list of products that will help some of us. Im having trouble finding what I need.
I vape with IMR 18350 3.7v flat nose batteries. Is there a Pila charger that will work with the batteries my device requires?
When all you guys are taking volt readings on your batteries before and after charging what volt reader are you using. Can I just go to the hardware store and pick up any one of those readers or is there one someone can point me to that is easy to read and reliable?
Is there a certain IMR 18350 flat nose battery that anyone could recommend or perhaps mine are good. I get them from the epipemods website.
Links to a charger and voltmeter that would be good for me would be seriously appreciated. I still dont understand most of this.
Link to battery Im using. IMR 18350 Batteries, 800 mAh, Rechargeable, Chemicaly Safe
Link to charger Im using. DSD Battery Charger 16340/18350/18650 - Pipe Supplies- Batteries, Atties, Stems, Chargers, etc.
I vape with IMR 18350 3.7v flat nose batteries. Is there a Pila charger that will work with the batteries my device requires?
When all you guys are taking volt readings on your batteries before and after charging what volt reader are you using. Can I just go to the hardware store and pick up any one of those readers or is there one someone can point me to that is easy to read and reliable?
Is there a certain IMR 18350 flat nose battery that anyone could recommend or perhaps mine are good. I get them from the epipemods website.
Links to a charger and voltmeter that would be good for me would be seriously appreciated. I still dont understand most of this.
Link to battery Im using. IMR 18350 Batteries, 800 mAh, Rechargeable, Chemicaly Safe
Link to charger Im using. DSD Battery Charger 16340/18350/18650 - Pipe Supplies- Batteries, Atties, Stems, Chargers, etc.
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