Michelle, I typed a long well thought out response to you 3 times and the forum ate it. Anyway I like you a good bit, here in bloog and what you've contributed in the other forums too. I do have to wonder if you don't quite get race relations in the US where most of us are. I have no idea how things are in DK, I have traveled a fair bit in Canada and it is certainly different there. The FACT is that jokes, as well as the stereotypes and slurs they often play off of have been used intentionally and unintentionally to aid in the oppression of many here, from religious groups to women people of color and non-straight sexual orientation. There is no getting around that, and to those that see that, there is no funny there. I'm not sure why you don't get that popeye's stance is a valid one, even if you or I don't fully agree with it, it is very obvious to me that it is an earnest perspective that ruins nothing and causes no harm.
The amount of wit and cleverness that goes into a joke is irrelevant. Surely it is there or the joke wouldn't be perpetuated, but that doesn't make up for the association MANY here have with such jokes. Thinking people who know each other well enough to have trust and nuanced dialog can discuss such things, but frankly, none of us here are that close, and the medium doesn't lend itself well to personal nuanced communication. Not to mention even if we knew that the offender isn't attempting to perpetuate the oppression, on the internet there is no way to know who reads it, and what associations they may have reinforced.
In real life I'm rarely initially offended by crude jokes. I have had MANY good discussions on sexism, racism, homophobia etc that started by someone telling an offensive joke. I also have a sharp tongue, a quick wit, and on a few occasions, a strong arm, and have resorted to all of these to return the humiliation to someone who insists on making offensive comments. I live in the south of the US, where racial tensions are high, queers are regularly assaulted, women battered, minorities killed in the streets by police with impunity. I KNOW that some people can respond to these things with healthy humor. But I also know that others perpetuate these things with theirs. Popeye's perspective is a perfectly understandable response to not wanting to have anything to do with something that might reinforce such things.
Of course anything can be offensive to someone, and there is a level of pc-ness that is absurd to concede to. I could take offense (note that I'm NOT) to his quip about men faking relationships, largely because I feel that it reinforces a very negative gender role on men, and it personifies an attitude that does effectively enculturate males not just to miss out on many wonderful things in life, but to expect it as part of being a man. The lack of a connection many men in this country have with their friends, their partners and their children is saddening, but even more insidious is that they don't know any better and think that is just what being a man is like. But the fact is that men aren't being driven out of this country for being men. Law enforcement hasn't been targeting men for generations, and no states are currently enacting legislation to officially sanction that harassment. Men aren't being intentionally attacked, robbed, assaulted, or financially exploited by people who know we don't have equal protection under the law. In my part of the world, "mexicans" can't say the same thing. Under such circumstances anything that can be seen as perpetuating a negative stereotype against them is IMHO suspect. Not bad, but suspect. In order to avoid having walls of text like this in a joke
thread, why can't we just make a friendly agreement to leave suspect things out so we don't have to get into serious discussions which although important, aren't very funny?
Sorry for not dropping it popeye, but the forum has literally been eating my posts all day!
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You know they call corn-on-the-cob "corn-on-the-cob" right? But that's how it comes out of the ground, man. They should call that "corn." They should call every other version "corn-off-the-cob." It's not like if you cut off my arm you would call my arm "Analog." But then reattach it and call it "Analog-all-together!"
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