We're under a microscope right now folks. Right or wrong, the industry (and we) just need to restrain ourselves.
Marketing to kids
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I think you need to understand ANTZ. They are not testing us to see if we are good. They will not be happy if we limit ourselves to medically approved devices that deliver a fixed dose of foul-tasting nicotine at fixed intervals and that are only available on prescription countersigned by three doctors. They will only be happy if all nicotine use, and anything that possibly suggests nicotine use, on the planet stops. And then they will pat themselves on the back and go and find something else to complain about.
We cannot win the war on their terms; their terms are our total destruction. If we try to appease them we are just doing their job for them. To them this is a holy war and any actions are justified, whether it is lying, falsifying results, buying politicians, whatever. No matter what we do they will continue to attack us and nothing we do to address their concerns will benefit us.
We need to refuse to engage, to paint them as ignorant and dangerous. We need to take and keep the moral high-ground. To do that we need to do what is right, keep our house in order, grow our user-base and professionalise our industry. That includes not selling vaping gear to kids. It does not include censoring a fun custom job intended for the use of adults.
We cannot win the war on their terms; their terms are our total destruction. If we try to appease them we are just doing their job for them. To them this is a holy war and any actions are justified, whether it is lying, falsifying results, buying politicians, whatever. No matter what we do they will continue to attack us and nothing we do to address their concerns will benefit us.
We need to refuse to engage, to paint them as ignorant and dangerous. We need to take and keep the moral high-ground. To do that we need to do what is right, keep our house in order, grow our user-base and professionalise our industry. That includes not selling vaping gear to kids. It does not include censoring a fun custom job intended for the use of adults.
Denial of easy targets isn't the same thing as appeasing.
Why give the enemy an easy target?
Why give the enemy an easy target?
And right after it was posted, the name of the shop selling them was posted. It's an ad.
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In a forum for buying/selling vape stuff, a guy posted a picture of a mod and told people where they could buy it. That looks a lot like advertising to me.
Tobacco sales to minor have been forbidden for many years. Has this stopped juveniles from experimenting with cigarettes? Personally I feel it entices them. The forbidden fruit. Shall we talk about teen drunk driving? I hate useless laws. I hate the idiots that pass them even more. Let us all now join in the anthem, "If it saves one life......................". The cornerstone of the grandstanding politician. Get the government out of the parenting business.
Kids always want to try something new, especially if it's controversial. Usually they just get tired of it and move on when it is overly expensive unless the parents help out. Last time I noticed jobs are scarce so it must be the parents helping them. Teenagers have been sneaking booze for years. Why do people act like this is something new?
Whatever it is, whatever you think you see. I t doesn't matter. I do however think you are making a stink out of something stupid. You got no support on your rants on FB, so you took it here on ECF.
So, the answer is to just throw gas on the fire? Now, of all times?
now if you took a Maraxis and had a Skyrim motif on it I would buy 6 of them 
but then again... kids dont play Skyrim, only adults older than 55
but then again... kids dont play Skyrim, only adults older than 55
good thing I dont use "juice" I use liquid with nicotine in it... you get juice from oranges, grapes etc..
now if tobacco had a fruit growing on it then I would be in trouble
ummm hes trying to sell it, of course hes gonna advertise. If you want to sell your house, wouldnt you put up a sign that its up for sale?
That's be marketing to blondes. Now if there was pac man, that's marketing to adults
(I started this in another sub-forum by accident. Reposting here, since this looks like the correct spot.)
I don't buy the argument that having decent flavoring in vape juice means we're marketing to kids.
But these look like they cross the line, to me. Yes, I'm sure that some adults will like them, too, but overall, they look like a kids toy. At the very least, these will give a lot of ammunition to the anti-vape crowd, and that's bad news for everyone who vapes.
These are being sold by a vape shop in a Dallas suburb, and they are posting about them online.
I definitely get what your saying, But I know a lot of adults that would buy those. That market is huge amongst folks who love superhero's I have atleast 6 friends who have massive collections one even has his car painted with the superman emblem on the hood and the car is in the colors. Many customers have folks working there who seem to be big into that stuff as well. Its not my cup of tea personally but to each his own. I can see how it would be excellent fodder for the anti-vape crowd.
This is Barrack Obama and I am putting a new law into effect immediately. From now on the only e cig and tank that can ever be sold is the one in this pic. It's black so kids won't like it and the tank is grossly oversized so it won't look cool at all. There will also be a ban of all flavors with the exception of two. One is tobacco and the other one is vomit. That will certainly keep the little kiddies away. And as always remember, as adults the only rights you have are the ones that are given to you by yours truly and those wonderful men and women you all voted into office in congress and the senate. We thank you for all the support you have given to the Democrat and Republican parties.
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Multitude of flavors, no limit to nicotine in juice, and people vaping indoors are all easy targets according to our opposition. A spiderman/batman device is an obscure target. If I were ANTZ, I'd be claiming that all devices look like toys, or probably would to a child. Regardless of design that manufacturers come up with, I'd stick to notion that they all look like toys or gadgets that would appeal to youth. I'd consider it an easy target.
And if I were on the side that I am on, pro-vaping, I'd stick to fundamental points found in post #63, which is to constantly call out opposition as ignorant and dangerous to what's at stake in the larger debate. If media ignored this ignorance and downplayed it, then I'd consider those that listen to it as caught up in ignorance and likely out of touch with reality of vaping, in general, and likely clueless on what actually appeals to kids when it comes to vaping. And smile, just a little bit, knowing that regardless of the pointless laws that adults may implement, kids are still going to vape.
This is a shameful sentiment. The appropriate response here is not to tell capable adults they shouldn't exercise their rights, but to fight even harder for them if it looks like that exercise is about to come under fire.KODIAK;13372799 said:
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