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Would you Like to see the eGo with color options

  • Yes, I would buy a colored ego over what is available right now.

  • No, I am satisfied with the current options.


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I also don't see why Janty should be responsible for those Joye products that are not Janty :confused:

Janty is responsible for Janty. It's Joye who's responsible for Joye, and that other company is responsible for their stuff.
Now, if one company (or more) find out that there is a general problem with a supplier, of course they are responsible to take up the issue with them. (And if they don't, I'd get annoyed as well. Like with a certain issue about burned filling.)
But that still does not make Janty responsible for either Joye or that other companies quality control, or what passes for quality control there.
Wasn't saying they are responsible for TW, don't twist my words around. :rolleyes:

They are however responsible if there's an unusually high number of defective products (which may or may not be the case). They are the ones selling the products, who have in turn purchased them from Joye. We, the end user have absolutely no business contacting Joye directly with issues of defective products. That is the responsibility of the retailer.
 

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But srsly?... :D

Yes, there are differences - and no, i will not explain what they are. We are a business and while we do allow for rebrands, this does not necessarily mean that we will give all our little secrets away, now does it?
lol... sorry Mik, I'm not buying it. I'm almost certain if I were to take apart both an eGo and Tornado battery, they'd be identical inside.

You have me curious now.. I think I'll do just that. ;)

Btw, I said seemingly high failure rate.. no way to know for sure just how many duds people are getting stuck with, without having a poll or something....

Oh, hey...... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/82373-have-you-had-ego-tornado-battery-fail.html (though I dunno how much participation this'll get).

In any case, I would much rather deal with Janty than with TW. Janty offers a much better warranty, and from what I've heard you guys have MUCH better customer service. At least you don't say 'tough s***' when a customer receives a DOA product (you don't, right?).
 
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True, but if you want to go all legislative on me, then it IS infact Joyetechs problem, seeing as we are only the designers and not the manufacturers per se.

In any regard, we do value inputs, both good and bad, and we are definately checking up on these things. But just as a car maker wont recall all the cars from one model because some of them fail, then neither will we. We investigate, and then try to solve - and i think that is all we can do at this point, when you take into mind the low number of failures, and problems - and mind you that is IF we count _all_ failures as ours, which is not the case since there are always some user errors.
 

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True, but if you want to go all legislative on me, then it IS infact Joyetechs problem, seeing as we are only the designers and not the manufacturers per se.

In any regard, we do value inputs, both good and bad, and we are definately checking up on these things. But just as a car maker wont recall all the cars from one model because some of them fail, then neither will we. We investigate, and then try to solve - and i think that is all we can do at this point, when you take into mind the low number of failures, and problems - and mind you that is IF we count _all_ failures as ours, which is not the case since there are always some user errors.
I get where you're coming from, and I don't want to argue. However I disagree. It's the same thing with Apple. You buy from them, you deal with them. They are the designers, but their products are manufactured by companies such as Foxconn who produces the iPods. While people may be having issues with defective iPods, they wouldn't contact Foxconn and take it up with them, they'd contact Apple and cry their little hearts out until Apple finally did something about it (it's been done before.. ;)).

It's nothing new though, QC problems with Chinese manufacturers. Plenty of products coming out of there suffer from the same ill fate. The more products are produced, the more failures there's going to be... and the more complaints we're gonna see.

If you were to hop on over to an iPod forum, you'd see the same thing... lots of complaints about dead iPods, while fewer of super happy terrific posts of elation. So it goes, eh?

Anyhoo, I'm glad you guys (Janty) are at least paying attention and hopefully giving a nudge here and there to the people at Joye to try to make things a bit better.
 

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Yes, but those are products not sold under the Janty label, so no, it's not Janty's responsiblity. It's not the same thing. If TW sold products with the Janty label, then you could talk to Janty, but they don't, they sell stuff they brought directly from Joye under their own label.

If you could buy re-labeled ipods that never went through Apples hand, would you contact Apple because the re-labeling company has a crappy quality control? Probably not ...
 

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Yes, but those are products not sold under the Janty label, so no, it's not Janty's responsiblity. It's not the same thing. If TW sold products with the Janty label, then you could talk to Janty, but they don't, they sell stuff they brought directly from Joye under their own label.

If you could buy re-labeled ipods that never went through Apples hand, would you contact Apple because the re-labeling company has a crappy quality control? Probably not ...

Alex, seriously man. Please read my posts more carefully!! I DID NOT state Janty should be responsible for TW's products. Please STOP replying with these posts insinuating that I have, because I haven't.

I was responding to Mik's comment:
"True, but if you want to go all legislative on me, then it IS infact Joyetechs problem, seeing as we are only the designers and not the manufacturers per se."

If a product is purchased from Janty, it's Janty's responsibility to deal with it.. not the customer's to deal with Joye directly. The same would apply to people who purchase from the competitor... they'd deal with them, not Joye. If these products are indeed suffering from a high failure rate, the retailers are responsible for dealing with the manufacturer, it's not up to the consumer. That's the point I'm trying to make, that's it.

As far as I know, Janty has been much more gracious to deal with in terms of warranty service and DOA policies. The competition on the other hand, can't say the same.

Anyway, only Janty can know for sure how many claims they've had to deal with, so if they're receiving an abnormally high rate of defects from their customers, I'm sure they're going to contact their manufacturer and see what the deal is.
 
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Alex, seriously man. Please read my posts more carefully!! I DID NOT state Janty should be responsible for TW's products. Please STOP replying with these posts insinuating that I have, because I haven't.

I was responding to Mik's comment:
"True, but if you want to go all legislative on me, then it IS infact Joyetechs problem, seeing as we are only the designers and not the manufacturers per se."

If a product is purchased from Janty, it's Janty's responsibility to deal with it.. not the customer's to deal with Joye directly. The same would apply to people who purchase from the competitor... they'd deal with them, not Joye. If these products are indeed suffering from a high failure rate, the retailers are responsible for dealing with the manufacturer, it's not up to the consumer. That's the point I'm trying to make, that's it.

As far as I know, Janty has been much more gracious to deal with in terms of warranty service and DOA policies. The competition on the other hand, can't say the same.

Anyway, only Janty can know for sure how many claims they've had to deal with, so if they're receiving an abnormally high rate of defects from their customers, I'm sure they're going to contact their manufacturer and see what the deal is.

First of all, let us all calm a bit down.

Alex is actually right to some extent. While this right here, in this thread is a Janty product we are discussing, then you have to realise that Joyetech is also selling to TW, and also selling as a Joye unlabelled brand. This means that alot of units are being produced, and since these are produced by hand - and since everyone is short on demand with the eGos due to its popularity, it might not be completely unrealistic to think that the very presence of the Joye oem label, and the TW rebrand also plays a factor in the quality of for instance the latest batches.

Now im NOT saying this IS the case, but everything plays a part - in both succes and failure.

But yes, we are attending to it, and i think for the sake of forum peace, we should let this one slide for a bit :)
 

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I have been vaping since Sept 09, and have purchased many different PV's and have never experienced such rapid failure with any of the products I purchased before.

I guess out of 100 batteries produced I got 2 manual eGo kits where 3 of the 4 manual batteries failed, and the one auto battery failed as well... If I sold a customer 2 kit's at 80 bucks a piece and they both pretty much failed, I think I would be shipping them replacements ASAP, that was not the case here...

I have had batteries just die before, or atty's go cold, but none that automatically fired and would not stop.

Considering the fact that I had one fry in my hands, (I promptly removed the cone and atty, and saved the atty but the battery was fried) and my girlfriend had one fry in her hands which took the atty out at the same time, I think that gives me some room for concern.

If you put a car battery in your car and it fry’s your car’s electrical system, and then the other one starts to fry your car after install, you are going to really question the manufacturer and hope for some expedited means of correcting the issue.

So far nothing from Ethan on my replacements, nor a response to my concern from either of them, that is a bit disturbing to me.

So I am waiting for my 4 replacement batteries and 2 atty's which according to Ethan should have shipped yesterday, I have yet to receive any confirmation on this or a tracking number, and as I wait my warranty period dwindles away, my atty's have spent the majority of their warranty period in a defective state thus far, how good is a 6 month warranty if you wait a month + for the replacement part shortly after receiving it?

I love using my eGo, it is the best preforming PV I have had to date, but with the reliability issues, no stock for warranty replacement, and waiting to use my 160 dollar investments, my patience wore thin a while ago…

People can tout about excellent customer service all they want but I have not seen any to this point, I have not seen any efforts to go a bit further for me, anything to make up for all the time I have been without my new PV's, just fast response to email, but no above nor beyond efforts to resolve my issues.
160.00 dollars, may I ask what you have? I didn't think anything out there in PVs is that expensive. Just wondering so I don't get stung.
 

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But yes, we are attending to it, and i think for the sake of forum peace, we should let this one slide for a bit

Agreed.. I just wanted to clear up that I wasn't saying Janty should be responsible for anyone else's products.

160.00 dollars, may I ask what you have? I didn't think anything out there in PVs is that expensive. Just wondering so I don't get stung.
Two eGo kits.
 
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Well thank you for your response Mik, I really appreciate your input.

That computer company... PC Laptops.com | Utah and Nevada Desktop and Laptop Sales and Repair some of the best computers you will ever find. their desktop computers come with a lifetime hardware and labor warranty, and they do honor that, and have for years.

I am apologize if I was coming off as a bit hostile, and more then likely a bit daft, but buying to TGIF eGo kits, and then watching my warranty period fritter away as we are waiting for the new and popular to come back in to stock is a pretty harsh thing.

A warranty is a promise that you make to your customer that your product is a good value and that you trust in the quality and workmanship of your product, if you are unable to act on that warranty in a certain amount of time it diminishes the value of that warranty...

as it is I got about 3 weeks of use and have waited over a month as parts failed in a cascading fashion, until I was left with the one atty and one battery I currently have...

I just think that if you are unable to make a replacement, you should extend the warranty however log it takes you to get replacement parts back in stock, and let the customer know what their new End Of Warranty date is.

I know it may seem like a daft idea to you, but as a consumer, and someone that has spent over 500.00 on Janty products to date, it makes sense to me as a consumer.

I am not really looking for any response on this... I am just putting that out there.

and Thanks again Mik!
 

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Well thank you for your response Mik, I really appreciate your input.

That computer company... PC Laptops.com | Utah and Nevada Desktop and Laptop Sales and Repair some of the best computers you will ever find. their desktop computers come with a lifetime hardware and labor warranty, and they do honor that, and have for years.

I am apologize if I was coming off as a bit hostile, and more then likely a bit daft, but buying to TGIF eGo kits, and then watching my warranty period fritter away as we are waiting for the new and popular to come back in to stock is a pretty harsh thing.

A warranty is a promise that you make to your customer that your product is a good value and that you trust in the quality and workmanship of your product, if you are unable to act on that warranty in a certain amount of time it diminishes the value of that warranty...

as it is I got about 3 weeks of use and have waited over a month as parts failed in a cascading fashion, until I was left with the one atty and one battery I currently have...

I just think that if you are unable to make a replacement, you should extend the warranty however log it takes you to get replacement parts back in stock, and let the customer know what their new End Of Warranty date is.

I know it may seem like a daft idea to you, but as a consumer, and someone that has spent over 500.00 on Janty products to date, it makes sense to me as a consumer.

I am not really looking for any response on this... I am just putting that out there.

and Thanks again Mik!

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No worries, i do understand you fully - and as a consumer i would also be thinking along the lines you are. However, as a company first and foremost im not the one in charge of making _that_ particular decision. I can see good and bad things about your suggestion. The good is obvious ofcourse, but the bad is not so clear, so let me explain:

Sometimes in a company - and this is something all companies will experience - you get customers that are simply a combination of unlucky, and well.. not very .. capable of dealing with the stuff youre selling, ie. taking care of it, using it the right way etc.

These customers - and i am not saying you are one, this is purely as an example - are actually not customers you make a profit on as a company, because they will end up costing you more on a product in terms of support, repairs, failures (by them and the product) and in the end, you reaaaaally.. could have done without their business ;)

However, there is, and has to be, room for everyone, so ofcourse we dont treat these customers differently. But in a business such as the e-cigarette one, there are so many new people that quickly gets introduced to something that replaces an old habit, which is insanely hard to quit, with another (which is, easier to quit but still a habit).

Now, this "other" habit is that of vaping. We all know this can be frustrating. But if you are new to this, if you have just thrown away your analogues and you reaaaally want this to work for you, as a newcomer you might be 1000x more prone to abusing your gear just to make it work, than if you say have 2-3 months of experience under your belt.

This means that alot of newcomers are often those that have failures in terms of batteries dying, atomizers dying, all these things which in alot of cases has something to do with users being a bit hard on them. For instance if people smoke the atomizer way too dry - which many do at first - which leads to the atomizer wearing out quicker, which leads to that particular atomizer getting a lower resistance, which then leads to more strain on the battery and so on and so forth.

Now, if we allowed all of our customers to get a new warranty date because of stock issues, "obvious" failures, factory failures, etc then this could mean that those customers end up costing us 3-5 times as much as they would now. That would really be harsh - for us.

However all this aside, you also seem to be forgetting one thing: If you end up replacing these items more than twice in 6 months, then you might just lose faith in the product. So an extended warranty wouldnt really help you now would it? It sounds good on paper, but if i was you, i would much rather talk to Ethan and try to solve the problem and maybe push him a bit into dropping you a bottle of some liquid or what not while he is sending the stuff back to you. That way you gain much more than you would by having your warranty expanded say another month or two, i think, because you wont actually use your warranty if the product keeps on failing.

And, on the other hand ( im running out of hands here ) if you get a replacement now, and it works until your "real" warranty runs out, you will probably just buy a new one - i mean if it works that good, ofcourse its worth holding on to, right?

Anyyyyways.. that was just my fumbling way of saying im very tired and i need to go to bed ;)

I hope some of it makes sense! I guess what im trying to say is that there is no easy or obvious way of solving these problems, without adding a ton of new problems. Trust me, we do think carefully about how we run our business and constantly try to re-evaluate if we should be changing things!
 

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Why not do both? Why not contact the retailer/manufacturer and point out any pitfalls to potential purchasers?...

Because I don't want to give my vendor trouble if he's willing to solve problems with his wares. If he isn't, I'm perfectly willing to be the customer from Hell. I even enjoy it:evil:. However, for my own benefit, I like to keep my specialty dealer as my friend.
 

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Spanish store is selling the 520 as a Joye product.


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Thanks XUSPI, looks interesting.
For other curious onlookers, their site says:

the spray JOYE 520 Slightly thinner in diameter than a model 510, is a perfect size and ideal round cartridge. (510 cartridges are NOT compatible with the model 520)
100% compatible with all batteries Joye 510 (Dura / Yeti / Titan / eGo / Tornado etc ...)
Less than a spray diameter of 510 (half millimeter less), very comfortable
- The hot spray less, actual handing of the most authentic flavors, not burning as it could burn 510 times
- Consumes less liquid (by heating less)
- Consumes less battery
- Is compatible (at the thread) with 510
- Is not compatible (with 510) at cartridges (having less diameter, has its own cartridges)

I want one:)
 
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yeah all bans do is raise profit of the item to sell.. so you go from a 50% increase in investment to 200% to cover risk of stopped shipments.

there is so many loopholes in that ban though that it is very easy to keep in business selling them even if sales are ban in your state.. its as simple as taking a state that sales are legal in and setting up business being based there.. no need to move.. would take out store front sales only..
 
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