Micro Coil for the RBA on your REO

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johni

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Thanks. I just ordered a 14 and 16. I've been using toothpicks which are larger than the standard micro but I like it a little larger so I guess I did OK.
You'll be fine. I've been experimenting with a 5/64 drill bit. Doesn't appear that it would differ that much from 1/16 but percentage wise it's substantial. Seems like the 5/64 may be a bit slower to gunk up with the NETs I vape.

The trick is to keep your wraps pretty tight (touching or very close). Good luck and hit me up any time I can help.
 

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Here's the facepalm--about 2 minutes after posting, I burnt the wick in this one. Just didn't have enough that time. Redid it and it's doing well. The wick just starts to run dry at the end of the longest vapes I take.

I noticed that they always seem to heat from the middle--i just thought it was interesting that the whole thing gets red before the middle gets orangey-white hot.


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Imagine each of those coil turns being a person and all huddled together like the turns are and out in cold weather.
Which ones are going to get the warmest fastest?
Bingo!

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You'll be fine. I've been experimenting with a 5/64 drill bit. Doesn't appear that it would differ that much from 1/16 but percentage wise it's substantial. Seems like the 5/64 may be a bit slower to gunk up with the NETs I vape.

The trick is to keep your wraps pretty tight (touching or very close). Good luck and hit me up any time I can help.

I just like them a little bigger because at least for me they seem to wick better for my style of vaping.
 

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So, I'll make some attempt at gathering together some observations we've made, some hypotheses and some guesses. (As to why the coil is glowing from the middle.) One thing we've tried is firing a coil shape vs just a big ole "u" shape; the coil shape favors the center much more pronouncedly. This has been attributed to two things: (1) conservation of heat energy (which increases resistance and creates more heat energy, increasing resistance, etc.) as the heat given off by the coils affects the neighboring coils rather than just dissipating in the air . . .. . . . And (2) inductance (basically the formation of a magnetic field which stores energy . . . . coiled wires seem to like to do that). Another thing we noticed is that micro coils (much more coily shapes) seem to suffer from "hot-legs" less than do larger diameter / wider spaced coils. This really just goes back to the degree of coil shape present; however, it is pertinent to us RBA vapers. The other factor that folks have included is the "heat sink" factor. The posts of the atomizer are (relatively speaking) large masses of metal that can absorb a lot of heat energy from the legs of the wire. Even a wire, pulled taut between two alligator clips (delivering the electric current) will glow brightest in the middle; but the ratio of dark to glowing wire isn't as nice as when there's a tight coil in the middle. I wrote this all in one tight paragraph . . . . just to be annoying. :p
 
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So, I'll make some attempt at gathering together some observations we've made, some hypotheses and some guesses. (As to why the coil is glowing from the middle.) One thing we've tried is firing a coil shape vs just a big ole "u" shape; the coil shape favors the center much more pronouncedly. This has been attributed to two things: (1) conservation of heat energy (which increases resistance and creates more heat energy, increasing resistance, etc.) as the heat given off by the coils affects the neighboring coils rather than just dissipating in the air . . .. . . . And (2) inductance (basically the formation of a magnetic field which stores energy . . . . coiled wires seem to like to do that). Another thing we noticed is that micro coils (much more coily shapes) seem to suffer from "hot-legs" less than do larger diameter / wider spaced coils. This really just goes back to the degree of coil shape present; however, it is pertinent to us RBA vapers. The other factor that folks have included is the "heat sink" factor. The posts of the atomizer are (relatively speaking) large masses of metal that can absorb a lot of heat energy from the legs of the wire. Even a wire, pulled taut between two alligator clips (delivering the electric current) will glow brightest in the middle; but the ratio of dark to glowing wire isn't as nice as when there's a tight coil in the middle. I wrote this all in one tight paragraph . . . . just to be annoying. :p

Aaannd pdib slaps his nerd <youknowwhat> on the table and establishes his dominance. With the exception of inductance explaining the coil heating more in the middle, I'm with you and appreciate the explanation.

Just to be clear, nerd <youknowwhats> are not limited to men. My wife's is way bigger than mine when it comes to cloth diapers, but not scifi, urban fantasy (hello dresden files), and hard sciences.


Apologies to anyone I've now offended.


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Inductance would have such a minor effect as to be negligible.

1) The flux density inside a solenoid is almost constant.
2) The magnetic field would be almost instantaneously raised to its steady state value since we are using DC.

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Ok. That went way over my head. And I thought I had a fair handle on physics. To me, inductance goes as far as theoretically burying a really big coil directly under a high-power electric line to borrow power. I'd ask for more info, but I think I got the important part before.

You're saying that it's primarily the radiant heat that makes the center heat faster than the edges. So do people who build really wide coils see the center get orangey hot before the outer edges are raised to red hot levels?


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I was making an attempt at collecting suppositions. (just to be clear). Not putting forth my own opinion. I am Switzerland here, up in this hizzy, my good fellows.

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And for my part, I wasn't trying to instigate a throwdown, but rather jokingly admiring the thorough answer. Then Mundy went way over my head and I realized that I got dropped in the physics deep end and the two of you are laughing at my ignorance. :)

For those watching on the sidelines, ain't it fun to see lawyers getting schooled?


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Getting the amount of cotton just right can be a little challenging but the vape will tell you. The flavor amps up. Looks like you're getting it down.

To get back to the topic at hand, it does seem a lot better now. I'm finally hearing an audible hiss as a cue to the wick drying out. But I haven't burnt this one yet.

Happiness


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I checked and the posts are tight and the screws are tight. Here is a pic I just took when I was checking the posts.

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I think it's reading .918 NOT 9.18. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anything below 1 ohm and the decimal point goes missing. Not all resistance checkers have the same display, most would show 0.91, unfortunately yours might show 800 if you have 0.80 resistance.
 
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Ok. That went way over my head. And I thought I had a fair handle on physics. To me, inductance goes as far as theoretically burying a really big coil directly under a high-power electric line to borrow power. I'd ask for more info, but I think I got the important part before.

You're saying that it's primarily the radiant heat that makes the center heat faster than the edges. So do people who build really wide coils see the center get orangey hot before the outer edges are raised to red hot levels?


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I'm not sure exactly if you mean like this. Here, you have to look close, because where the wire is silver (cold) it is reflecting the red of the adjacent wire. (And the middle is white . . . .. basically).



Also, it's interesting to see (for me anyway) that with SS mesh the center point (of heat) is always lopsided toward the positive; be that on a Genny, or a dripper, or whatever. It's like the mesh is putting a drag on the current.
 

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Also left it a bit further from the edge than I had been. Seems to be a really good, flavorful, vapor full, vape. Also seems to give a lot more audio feedback being closer to the middle.
What is better in letting the coil be further away from the airhole? I always put mine as close as possible, assuming better vapor and flavor. More audio feedback would seem to mean more heat? And more "chaotic" vapor production? That can't be good, can it?
I'll have to experiment. As if I needed reasons to tinker lol.
 

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I think it's reading .918 NOT 9.18. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anything below 1 ohm and the decimal point goes missing. Not all resistance checkers have the same display, most would show 0.91, unfortunately yours might show 800 if you have 0.80 resistance.

Interesting. I never thought of that. I wonder if anyone with the same meter can confirm that?
 

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What is better in letting the coil be further away from the airhole? I always put mine as close as possible, assuming better vapor and flavor. More audio feedback would seem to mean more heat? And more "chaotic" vapor production? That can't be good, can it?
I'll have to experiment. As if I needed reasons to tinker lol.

I'd made the same assumption and was given the suggestion of moving it closer to the edge on prior builds.

This one just happened to end up closer to the center. One would think that the airflow would be somewhat more over the top of the coil, rather than around, the farther you get from the hole/the closer you come to the center of the atty.


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Ok please refresh an old feeble brain. I've always used sterile cotton gauze for my micro builds. Don't shoot me but I don't often use the same mod everyday. Sometimes my Reo's will set for a few days between use. I've never used the cotton balls or other type of wicking material. How often do you change out the wick. (And the coil I tried to make yesterday was an embarrassment. It was so bad I threw it in the trash). I always shoot for 1.4-1.8 ohms. The lowest I've ever used was 0.8 and it was to brutal a Vape for me. :(
 

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Ok please refresh an old feeble brain. I've always used sterile cotton gauze for my micro builds. Don't shoot me but I don't often use the same mod everyday. Sometimes my Reo's will set for a few days between use. I've never used the cotton balls or other type of wicking material. How often do you change out the wick. (And the coil I tried to make yesterday was an embarrassment. It was so bad I threw it in the trash). I always shoot for 1.4-1.8 ohms. The lowest I've ever used was 0.8 and it was to brutal a Vape for me. :(

Depending on the juice, you can usually go a few days on a wick before changing it. I change mine every night before bed. It only takes about 2 minutes and I know I will always have a fresh wick when i wake up.
 

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Ok please refresh an old feeble brain. I've always used sterile cotton gauze for my micro builds. Don't shoot me but I don't often use the same mod everyday. Sometimes my Reo's will set for a few days between use. I've never used the cotton balls or other type of wicking material. How often do you change out the wick. (And the coil I tried to make yesterday was an embarrassment. It was so bad I threw it in the trash). I always shoot for 1.4-1.8 ohms. The lowest I've ever used was 0.8 and it was to brutal a Vape for me. :(

Depending on the juice, you can usually go a few days on a wick before changing it. I change mine every night before bed. It only takes about 2 minutes and I know I will always have a fresh wick when i wake up.

I also change my organic cotton wicks everyday because my coils are usually between .7-1.0Ω and they burn hotter and I do love a fresh wick and battery. I'm much happier with the organic cotton that I was with the sterile cotton.
 

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This makes me giggle a little bit

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