I wouldn't risk my job over this.
Follow Amy's advice, go outside with the smokers and lay low for a while.
Cheers,
Walt
Follow Amy's advice, go outside with the smokers and lay low for a while.
Cheers,
Walt
My ecig caused a huge crapstorm at work.
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Another 2 cents worth....the main reason I started vapeing (and ended up quitting smoking) was not for health benefits (as it should have been maybe) was because I didn't want to smell like a dirty ashtray anymore!! So, hanging out with the smokers is not an option (besides the fact that now that I have the health benefits of not smoking I do not want to be around second hand smoke8-o ) I don't think any vaper should be forced to be exposed to second hand smoke! IMHO it is just wrong!! And that is something worth fighting for!!
Here's my take on this... what is the smoking policy where you work? What do smokers have to do when they get cravings?
Reason I ask, is that nicotine from cigarettes supposedly enters the bloodstream quicker (and higher dosage) than that from e-cigs.
If the amount of smoke-breaks you have is limited and you're not allowed to vape, you might be able to argue that company policy encourages vapers to start smoking.
Your productivity might also be higher since you aren't facing severe cravings 30 or so minutes after a smoke (I'm more pleasant to be around when I've got enough nic in my body).
Or you could vape outside away from the smokers if your employer isn't supportive. Most of my jobs have been customer facing so I'd have never pushed for being able to vape on the job when I worked - although I would probably have pushed for the ability to vape inside in the canteen instead of having to go outside on 'smoke'-breaks.
Same as, generally, I don't vape in any public places where smoking isn't permitted. I never smoked there so no real need for me to vape there. When the cravings hit on public transport or in a queue though, anyone trying to stop me from vaping had better realise they are interrupted me from self-administering calmness.
Difference between vapers and anti-smokers: anti-smokers hate smoking and smokers and come up with a whole load of complaints, vapers hate being lumped in with the smokers so try and use the anti-smokers own arguments against them.
John.
Reason I ask, is that nicotine from cigarettes supposedly enters the bloodstream quicker (and higher dosage) than that from e-cigs.
If the amount of smoke-breaks you have is limited and you're not allowed to vape, you might be able to argue that company policy encourages vapers to start smoking.
Your productivity might also be higher since you aren't facing severe cravings 30 or so minutes after a smoke (I'm more pleasant to be around when I've got enough nic in my body).
Or you could vape outside away from the smokers if your employer isn't supportive. Most of my jobs have been customer facing so I'd have never pushed for being able to vape on the job when I worked - although I would probably have pushed for the ability to vape inside in the canteen instead of having to go outside on 'smoke'-breaks.
Same as, generally, I don't vape in any public places where smoking isn't permitted. I never smoked there so no real need for me to vape there. When the cravings hit on public transport or in a queue though, anyone trying to stop me from vaping had better realise they are interrupted me from self-administering calmness.
Difference between vapers and anti-smokers: anti-smokers hate smoking and smokers and come up with a whole load of complaints, vapers hate being lumped in with the smokers so try and use the anti-smokers own arguments against them.
John.
Chevyguy: Do yourself and the vaping community a favor. Drop it. Vape outside, stealth vape, or whatever. I too work for a large corporation, am a union member and a relief supervisor. I can tell you what's going to happen--HR is going to come down on you, and hard. Why? They have to. There is much more going on here than a vaping issue--race/gender relationships, union/company politics, etc. HR will do anything to avoid potential liability (costing $) and will look to the cheapest and most politically correct solution. Since your conflict is based on vaping (seen as smoking, with very little gubmint backing), possible race/gender conflicts, and union/company issues, you (I am assuming not a member of a perceived minority) will lose. Period. The company has the right to set workplace policy, within established legal guidelines. Vaping currently enjoys no protections.
I was reported to management by a supervisor this week of having "inappropriate body language" during a training meeting...........
I was reported to management by a supervisor this week of having "inappropriate body language" during a training meeting...........
Awareness. I use mine frequently and in many places at work but I am always aware if a client could be around and what co-workers are around. I also minimize vapor output when around others. Half a year in and I have heard nothing negative...only positives and support. I am sure I have plenty of coworkers that have no clue I use this at work.
When I read threads like this one I always wonder about the personality of the OP. Personally, I am well liked at work, considered a very nice guy and my coworkers and boss know that I will help them with anything if needed. I suppose I may be the type of person that a coworker whom knows me would not want to cause any type of disturbance to me or hinder my quiting smoking. This statement is not intended for the OP of this thread...just a general statement on my feelings on these types of posted issues. My apologies OP for choosing to make this point on your thread.
If I suspected a coworker would have an issue with my PV I would make sure they did not see me use it. We all usually know who these people are in our workplaces.
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When I read threads like this one I always wonder about the personality of the OP. Personally, I am well liked at work, considered a very nice guy and my coworkers and boss know that I will help them with anything if needed. I suppose I may be the type of person that a coworker whom knows me would not want to cause any type of disturbance to me or hinder my quiting smoking. This statement is not intended for the OP of this thread...just a general statement on my feelings on these types of posted issues. My apologies OP for choosing to make this point on your thread.
If I suspected a coworker would have an issue with my PV I would make sure they did not see me use it. We all usually know who these people are in our workplaces.
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we have a tobacco ban where i work. not a nicotine ban. when i was told i cant use my e-cig i told them i want it in policy that any users of nicotine gum or patches will also be told they cant use them and also i wanted everyone who brings analogs or snuff into the shop to be told to take the stuff to their cars and leave them there until they punch out and go to lunch. so far i am winning, but its going to be a fight.
Honestly......
Just take more bathroom breaks and toilet stealth vape. Its just not worth the hassle in the end.
VapeOn,
Greg
Just take more bathroom breaks and toilet stealth vape. Its just not worth the hassle in the end.
VapeOn,
Greg
My only co-worker is my boss. He and I both quit at the same time. Only thing, he went back to analogs and I took up vaping. He wants to quit again because he is hacking up a storm and feeling. I have him try my e-cigs now and then and even Snus, but it doesn't do it for him. He coughs on e-cigs worse than analogs.
My sensitivity is this: When I blow plumes of vaper, he gets cravings to smoke. When he smokes cigarettes, I crave cigarettes. So, he goes into the bathroom and smokes while I am at my desk vaping. I'm feeling a little funny about that.
A question for you. Do you work near any analog smokers that would be setting them off to want to smoke more often because you are vaping?
Not to be snarky or judgemental, but I wonder if some of the problem is those people that are complaining.
My sensitivity is this: When I blow plumes of vaper, he gets cravings to smoke. When he smokes cigarettes, I crave cigarettes. So, he goes into the bathroom and smokes while I am at my desk vaping. I'm feeling a little funny about that.
A question for you. Do you work near any analog smokers that would be setting them off to want to smoke more often because you are vaping?
Not to be snarky or judgemental, but I wonder if some of the problem is those people that are complaining.
I was going to say the same, but you beat me to it! That's exactly what I do - go to the restroom and vape in a stall or sneak a stealth vape at my desk when no one is looking (fortunately I'm not in an area where there are always people around). I would never think of vaping in front of my other co-workers in this anti-smoke/vape society. Job security is far more important to me than principle in today's workplace where you can lose your job at the drop of a hat (and it's happened to me more than once). Playing it safe would be my suggestion.
people see smoke and assume its smoke and it belongs outside. just go outside to avoid drama or sneak it wen ur partner is waching porno and not payin atention
Love your slip in with the porn.
Funny! These people aren't saints for sure and they want to crucify us because we're not hiding it .
O.P. I would have kept a low profile and let it run its' course. That way when the bottom line is brought up--you have done nothing to account for.
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OK, sounds great to me not to be around analog smokers.
Cheers,
Walt
OK, sounds great to me not to be around analog smokers.
Cheers,
Walt
I only read 3 pages so if this is a repeat I am sorry. Talk to your union rep. It will all depend on what all they have on their list of things needed to do, but if they are not pushing for something big they might be able to do this, and keep in mind it will be if they want to do it.
I was a union rep for a meat packing place in CO. We care about the rights of the workers, but keep in mind if we are working for a pay hike we focus on the big stuff. It is slow we would work on getting all the little stuff covered.
Hope that helps.
I was a union rep for a meat packing place in CO. We care about the rights of the workers, but keep in mind if we are working for a pay hike we focus on the big stuff. It is slow we would work on getting all the little stuff covered.
Hope that helps.
This is my first post, tho I've been lurking for a while.
I'd just like to see all of us happy vapers be ambassadors. Ya know? Being all in-your-face about your right to vape anywhere could do more harm than good. Your attitude will turn off a lot of people who could possibly benefit from your knowledge. After all, you were probably once a smoker who felt ostracized. You're not doing anybody any good if you feel SUPERIOR to smokers, non-smokers, and NRT users.
I wonder...have you asked anybody why they're opposed to e-cigs? They might view it as just another addiction like smoking crack. Maybe religious reasons. Maybe their Dad died of a smoking-related illness like cancer or COPD and they think nicotine is the devil who took Dad away.
Perhaps your opponents are just first-class jerks. Perhaps not. Please, be kind even when they're being mean.
Luvs,
Jo
I'd just like to see all of us happy vapers be ambassadors. Ya know? Being all in-your-face about your right to vape anywhere could do more harm than good. Your attitude will turn off a lot of people who could possibly benefit from your knowledge. After all, you were probably once a smoker who felt ostracized. You're not doing anybody any good if you feel SUPERIOR to smokers, non-smokers, and NRT users.
I wonder...have you asked anybody why they're opposed to e-cigs? They might view it as just another addiction like smoking crack. Maybe religious reasons. Maybe their Dad died of a smoking-related illness like cancer or COPD and they think nicotine is the devil who took Dad away.
Perhaps your opponents are just first-class jerks. Perhaps not. Please, be kind even when they're being mean.
Luvs,
Jo
Just wondering if you've explained to your boss about the different inhalation techniques for vaping as opposed to smoking? I know when I first started it took a little time to get the hang of vaping.
Not sure how to resolve this issue, but I wanted to make a point, and that is that in the beginning when we start vaping and dramatically reducing analog consumption, it is very easy to become contentious and cranky. Everything is a fight, and everyone else becomes an ---hole, but it may be our own jagged mood. Whether you are right or logically more correct, the wrong delivery can make things a lot worse. In this awful economy I would hate to see someone lose their job over a relatively minor inconvenience perceived as some sort of personal attack. Honey works better than vinegar. Just my $0.02.
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