Haven't read this whole thread, but have read enough to realize my vape everywhere position is still unchanged.
I use a cigalike and always have. I've seen bigger devices in the wild, and am impressed with vapor output from them. It would reasonably challenge my vape everywhere position, but not a whole lot. It is hard for me to gauge how long that sort of cloud hangs in the air, as I've seen them outside mostly, and still seems to dissipate much faster than smoke. If I were to learn that it is significantly slower than a cigalike when it comes to indoor use, it would have me update things. But only slightly. I'd still be comfortable with either vaping one myself or advocating for such a device to be vaped in a hospital (of all places). I'm still yet to hear of a place that is inherently a problem for exhaled vapor. A hospital seems to be one of those places that is a no-no for most people (including many vapers), but I can think of dozens of places in that type of location where for sure no person would notice a cigalike, and very likely wouldn't notice the larger devices. Sure, get 5 or more of us together and its a different story. But that's true with all places, including outdoors, own car, own home, etc.
Which is always interesting when the anti-indoor vaping vapers claim we shouldn't vape where we wouldn't smoke. Really? Can I (a dual user) smoke in your house? I mean, if you vape there, then the inverse of the logic ought to be applicable. If you vape there, and you wouldn't vape where smoking isn't allowed, then surely you would allow me to smoke in your house. If not, why not? Is it cause it's your house, your rules, and your rules are how you say, inconsistent?
Also always interesting when some vaper claims it's these people (these vapers) who are ruining it for the rest of us. Mostly fascinating because all politically aware vapers on ECF fully realize our opposition really doesn't care about our discussion on this. If anything, it would likely humor them. Instead, our opposition, as can be seen in legislative area of this forum, proposes usage bans because a) they know they can likely get it thru with right political party there to pass the votes and push it through and b) because it is a key step toward larger goal of decimating the industry and/or shaming its users.
Also interesting cause if I were opposition, I'd come onto a forum just like this one and tell people to stop doing it. I'd claim that openly doing it and freely vaping is ruining it for everyone, and I'd hope that at least some would listen to me and then agree with the logic so that when 'we' propose usage bans in your neck of the woods, we'd know that we can count on you to support the rationale that says do not vape where you cannot smoke. Hoping that some of you will not question it, and just accept that it is as wrong/shameful as public smoking. Hoping also that you will agree with 'us' that it is wrong even outside. And that when we have captured enough areas, starting with the biggest cities first, we can tackle areas like own home, and own car, for surely you agree with 'us' that it is that shameful. That rude of a behavior. Please help 'us' promote that vaping is inherently a rude activity. If you can't bring yourself there just yet, that's okay. We are patient. Just go along with notion that indoors, regardless of situation, it is always wrong. Always.
Bonus points if you tattle on fellow vapers for daring to do it in certain places. Extra credit if you do all you can on vaping forums to shame fellow vapers who dare admit that they do it in public. Keep up the fine work and who knows, maybe one day (when you come to your sense and quit this nasty, shameful habit) we can make you a poster child for our cause. Then you'll get to see that we don't really care at all if it is done, cause we know it will be done while vaping is in its Golden Era. But you'll help us bring an end to that won't you? Bring it to the place where smoking now resides?
Where shame and scorn reign supreme.
