Personally, if they are just on the 'tubes up the nose' I wouldn't worry about stealthing... In a full oxy tent? I wouldn't do it there anyways... courtesy and all.
my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest
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Personally, if they are just on the 'tubes up the nose' I wouldn't worry about stealthing... In a full oxy tent? I wouldn't do it there anyways... courtesy and all.
Good point, also to TomGeorge (edit: and Midnightoyl -- didn't see your post till after I saved this one!); I guess it's hard to imagine, since the only time I actually *see* the coil is when it's basically "naked"... with no juice, so of course it glows red hot. I wasn't sure if that would be an issue around oxygen or not, and it does concern me, because I do have to visit my mom in the hospital on a fairly recurrent basis, her health is just the pits, and one of her problems in COPD, so they sometimes stick that cannula thing in her nose (which she removes as soon as they leave the room, she hates it!). But I suppose if I'm in the bathroom, even with louvered doors, there really isn't enough pure oxygen around to be a hazard.
But I still do it stealthily, because you know those ANTZ nurses would make a huge deal out of it.
I think the control freaks who have no taste for politics decide nursing is the thing for them, to let them boss people around like little dictators -- with the added bonus of getting to utter those "magic" words -- "it's for your own good." Andria
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Excellent link, thank you very much!
Reading the whole article is most certainly worth the time.
I hardly ever run into anyone vaping in public, but I see them coming in and out of the B&M store I frequent. The employees in the store vape custom box mod drippers at 20 watts and blow clouds. For the sheer volume of customers it's surprising that I don't see them out in public vaping.
I'm surprised about it too, that I've only run into a few other vapers, and this is a large metro-ATL suburb, with 4 or 5 vape shops. But I still see plenty of smokers. I used to call them "my people" when I'd see 'em hanging out outside a restaurant or something, but now I just feel sorry for them, they haven't yet heard the Good News.
Andria
I'm surprised about it too, that I've only run into a few other vapers, and this is a large metro-ATL suburb, with 4 or 5 vape shops. But I still see plenty of smokers. I used to call them "my people" when I'd see 'em hanging out outside a restaurant or something, but now I just feel sorry for them, they haven't yet heard the Good News.
Andria
If ecigs had been around in my younger days I might be 40 years past my last smoke instead of a little over 4 years. Quitting was really hard for me (and most others). I kicked the habit once for 2 1/2 years, but reverted during a particularly trying time in my life.
Some people quit using ecigs and complain that it's not the same. That's kind of true, but what made me quit smoking after vaping is when I tried them side by side. Cigarettes taste really nasty when you have a vape and then a puff off a smoke. The vape is a clean version of tobacco for me. It's what a cigarette should taste like, but without the dangerous chemicals and carcinogens.
Until then I had been vaping all day and just smoking after meals or with a cup of coffee. Doing the side by side thing made it real. I finished my last pack and never bought another. Success stories like that need to be publicized. We all have one.
So true!
Great!
An acquaintance of mine just said the same thing. He started vaping 3 weeks ago. A few days ago on the phone he told me that cigarettes had started to taste nasty, and that he had not had a single cigarette the day before.
Why
??? Well, I was the one who introduced him to vaping. He had seen me happiliy puffing away at my PV at a mutual friend's house, asked me about it, got one of mine to use for the evening, and liked it. Requested - and was happily treated to - Anja's little demonstration and explanation during our next visit to that friend. Well, that turned into a big huge long in-depth demonstration and explanation. Variable voltage, liquids, nicotine strength, exchangeable atomizer heads, you name it... At his request
- Bought not a starter set but some VV batteries and some EVOD atomizers and spare heads, some nice liquids from Germany's best shop for tobacco liquids - and he loves it Now, that is a success story. The guy is retired, has been smoking for ever - and he just loves vaping
His wife is not completely happy yet, we are still looking for the perfect liquid for her. Calling Cuban Supreme "sweet" - goodness gracious... ...
And yes, if vaping had been around 37 years ago, I would not have smoked for 35 years either. I made the transition immediately. The time was right. And no, I never ever even thought of "quitting smoking". Never in my life. Not once. I LIKED smoking. - I had just been smoking too much late in my smoking "career", and it was not doing me good. So I bought an ecig (an eGO T at the time) to use in the evenings, so I would not smoke as much in the evenings. Started it up, thought "wow! this rocks!" - and made the transition immediately and effortlessly. Because I had found something better. So much better. I had found precisely what you have described, Dave:
I can have everything I want, but without the harmful smoke as such. Aren't we vapers lucky?
And Phoooeeyyyy to those who are jealous of our happiness
I wouldn't go that far. I work with oxy torches and all it takes is something flammable and a spark or a coal. I used to light my torches off my cigarette (difference being my torches supply the flammable gas along with the oxy). When dry burning my extra caked dual TD I would get glowing coals before I'd see glowing coils. That could be enough to spark a fire. If the vaper stayed calm that's probably all that would come of it, the exposed liquid would burn off. But if the vaper didn't stay calm and threw the mod it could escalate quickly.
Most problems with fire are because people don't keep their calm.
Whether a hot spot in a coil would be enough, I'm not sure. The liquid would be the flammable. My experience with hot metal is the gas cools the metal before anything lights, but my metal doesn't have an external heating source other than the lit gas that was blown out.
If my regulator wasn't screwed up right now I'd give it a try.
Caution and Common Sense!
Those two things seem to be in short supply lately and not just on these forums either.
Lack of both of these ideals is at the core of so many problems in regards to vaping and in our world today.
Chances might be slim to none that using a pv could cause an explosion around oxygen or even a gas pump.
Chances are you wont get addicted to controlled substance the first time you try it.
Chances are that you wont cause an accident if you send "just one" "harmless" text while driving.
But why take the chance to begin with?
Theres zero chance of any of these things happening if people apply caution and common sense along with some self control.
Its seems to me that those advocating against these things by calling the rest of us paranoid or overly cautious and old fashioned are nothing but fools who have some very hard lessons ahead of them in life.
Which would be fine.......one less idiot in the gene pool and all.....IF their mistakes had zero chance of hurting or affecting the rest of us.
Its not really that hard to move away from people when we vape or to exercise at least a little caution.
Think about what we all have to lose if vaping became illegal tomorrow.
I dont think thats too much to ask at all.
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The whole point of this debate for me is not about vaping, smoking or picking my nose. It's about my right as a tax paying adult to make decisions for myself without interference from the government or anyone else. I should be able to vape anywhere on publicly owned land. My taxes pay for that, I have a right to use it.
I am not a cloud chaser but I also have the right to blow clouds if I want on publicly owned land. My tax dollars pay for that. Privately owned businesses have the right to allow or not allow as they see fit. They paid for that.
Now having said all of that, consideration is also key. I'm still very conscientious of those around me and how my vape may or may not be affecting someone else. As a result, vaping indoors may not be the best as the vapor takes longer to dissipate and is trapped in an enclosed space. However, if I'm 200 yards down wind from non-vapers at the beach, then they need to ..... Just because they don't like the way something "looks" doesn't give them the right to {MODERATED}. I don't like seeing some hog in a g-string bikini, but hey I suck it up cuz they have the right to be there (I'm 50 but have the presence of mind to know that my days of bikini's on the beach are long over).
Obesity is at the top of the list as far as causing premature mortality and yet, people can pile drive a plate full of french fries with impunity. Where is the once discussed "snack tax"? Don't get me started on laws related to alcohol.
The bottom line is you're always going to have those that want to control the behavior of others while they live in their land of self-righteous Shangri La. As long as I'm polite and considerate with my vaping, then I don't care who sees me doing it and what they think of it. I don't think we should be blowing clouds in someone's face, but I don't believe I should have to "stealth vape" either just so someone doesn't get their panties in a wad cuz they don't like the way it looks.
I am not a cloud chaser but I also have the right to blow clouds if I want on publicly owned land. My tax dollars pay for that. Privately owned businesses have the right to allow or not allow as they see fit. They paid for that.
Now having said all of that, consideration is also key. I'm still very conscientious of those around me and how my vape may or may not be affecting someone else. As a result, vaping indoors may not be the best as the vapor takes longer to dissipate and is trapped in an enclosed space. However, if I'm 200 yards down wind from non-vapers at the beach, then they need to ..... Just because they don't like the way something "looks" doesn't give them the right to {MODERATED}. I don't like seeing some hog in a g-string bikini, but hey I suck it up cuz they have the right to be there (I'm 50 but have the presence of mind to know that my days of bikini's on the beach are long over).
Obesity is at the top of the list as far as causing premature mortality and yet, people can pile drive a plate full of french fries with impunity. Where is the once discussed "snack tax"? Don't get me started on laws related to alcohol.
The bottom line is you're always going to have those that want to control the behavior of others while they live in their land of self-righteous Shangri La. As long as I'm polite and considerate with my vaping, then I don't care who sees me doing it and what they think of it. I don't think we should be blowing clouds in someone's face, but I don't believe I should have to "stealth vape" either just so someone doesn't get their panties in a wad cuz they don't like the way it looks.
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Kind of a comical thread. Vape on and throw up big clouds as we pay big money to do this. LOL well, at least I pay big money to do this!
That's exactly why my smoking got less and less until it was just gone -- the more I vaped, the more I liked it, and the worse the cigarettes tasted. I swear, on the last one, I caught a whiff of burning tire.
I didn't even finish my last pack, it stayed on the bookshelf by the front door with 12 in it, for like 55 days... by which time I knew that the lack of them wasn't going to make me panic, so I gave them to my next-door neighbor, who's on disability so far too broke to worry about how stale they were.Andria
That's exactly why my smoking got less and less until it was just gone -- the more I vaped, the more I liked it, and the worse the cigarettes tasted. I swear, on the last one, I caught a whiff of burning tire.
Andria
I on the other hand went a different way. I ran out of cigs 12 hours before my starter kit arrived in the mail. I toughed through it without buying more. Tell me I wasn't stalking the mailman that day LOL. I think I literally pounced on the mailbox as soon as the guy drove off. Haven't had a cig yet.
That's exactly why my smoking got less and less until it was just gone -- the more I vaped, the more I liked it, and the worse the cigarettes tasted. I swear, on the last one, I caught a whiff of burning tire.
Andria
I loved the burning tire smell of some cigarettes. It always made me wonder what fell into that one.
I also wondered about that special taste of expensive hand rolled cigars being the skin of the people rolling them.
Dont forget about the occasional unmistakable whiff of something thats sold in Colorado as well. There have been times in the past when I lit a cigarette and others have even smelled it....and commented on it.
If youve ever seen a tobacco warehouse before you also have to wonder how much rat excrement and other foreign matter made it into the cigarettes we smoked.
Just one more reason for me to never go back to smoking.Its also why I dont really care if my e-juice is made in a lab or not. I have seen those tobacco warehouse and nothing in anyones home unless they are the filthiest people on the planet could be any worse than that.
Amen! To your whole posting but especially for this last paragraph.
I agree 100%. Vape courteously and with common sense - but do not hide under the carpet in the fear of offending the professionally offended.
Same here.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! And totally with you on bikini days being long over -- mine were over when I got a vertical c-sec at the age of 26! But now I'm 53, and I don't even wear hiphuggers... I REFUSE to have a muffin top like so many of the "hogs" I've seen wearing them.
And what about all the bathing-challenged who apparently think using half a bottle of perfume is compensation for not taking a bath? PLEASE!!! I'd rather smell sweat, it doesn't make my sinuses ache!
The only stealth vaping I do is when I'm visiting my mom at the hospital, mainly because those are just FILLED with Nurse Ratcheds and I don't want to be escorted off the premises when I'm there to see my mom. I operate on the principle that what they don't see won't hurt them, because they sure as heck won't smell it -- against all THOSE smells??? PLEASE!
Otherwise, walking thru a parking lot on my way into or out of wherever... I vape openly, and I defy anyone to harass me about it; they will soon learn the real meaning of HARASSMENT! Of course, I smoked in that situation too, although not in the hospital parking lot, because again, I didn't want to be escorted off the premises when I'm there to see my mom. In store parking lots, I still see plenty of smokers, and I'm hoping that seeing me vaping might pique their interest and we'll have one more on our side.
Andria
I vape in public, in areas where smoking isn't allowed, every day. Mostly in bars or restaurants, but not entirely. Nobody ever complains when I do. But here on ECF, I have to listen to people like you call me a jackass for doing it.
I'm not breaking any laws. I'm not breaking any rules. I'm not hurting anyone. But you can't understand that vaping is not the same as smoking, so you start ranting and calling names.
Look at what we have all become. We should be ashamed of ourselves for turning against one another. I can remember back in the day when someone would post a few pics of a mod that had a superhero painted on it. Or a device that was made out of a pez despenser, and everyone here would comment on how cool it looked.
I can also remember when some of us would go out in public and vape in a store or a bar or some other public place and someone would make a comment and say "You can't smoke in here". and we would explain to them that we are just vaping and not smoking. Then show them out device and most people would end up liking it and say something like "Well that's better than smoking".
Then the news media gets wind of these cool little devices and starts spewing reports on how it's made out of antifreeze and how it's poison. Most recently they reports have been about how it will make every last child in the country become addicted to vaping and alcohol. and even worse it is a gateway to smoking cigarettes.
Once that happened the public started changing their view on vaping, and began to look at it in a more negative light. Once that happened you could see all the good folks that were vaping begin to make rules and govern themselves on the good way and the bad way to vape. Some of us are little extreme with our over politeness with vaping and some of us are a little rude and combative with out vaping habbits. Now we just sit here and ..... at each other about who is right and who is wrong.
I call B.S. on all of it. What we really need to do is take a reporter out on the street and shove his head right in front of a cars exhaust pipe and let him or her inhale on that for a while. Once they are choking and gagging on the exhaust fumes, we can bring them up, sit them down and even buy them a beer. Then pull out our vapes and say. Do you prefer the exhaust fumes, or the vape? We all know that is the real culprit. The stinking news media.
But we sit here and throw stones at each other when the reality of it is that we are all on the same boat. So the need for arguing about something that we all like is a bit ridiculous. Don' you think. Probably the best thing we can do is support each other and sites like ECF and even join CASAA.
OK, so maybe I was a bit on the violent side when i was talking about the news reporters. But they just kind of get on my nerves when they report about our children becoming addicted to cigarettes because of vaping. Especially when I see that look of righteousness in their smug faces as the preach to us all. MAybe we should just smak em across the face instead of forcing them to inhale exhaust fumes.
I can also remember when some of us would go out in public and vape in a store or a bar or some other public place and someone would make a comment and say "You can't smoke in here". and we would explain to them that we are just vaping and not smoking. Then show them out device and most people would end up liking it and say something like "Well that's better than smoking".
Then the news media gets wind of these cool little devices and starts spewing reports on how it's made out of antifreeze and how it's poison. Most recently they reports have been about how it will make every last child in the country become addicted to vaping and alcohol. and even worse it is a gateway to smoking cigarettes.
Once that happened the public started changing their view on vaping, and began to look at it in a more negative light. Once that happened you could see all the good folks that were vaping begin to make rules and govern themselves on the good way and the bad way to vape. Some of us are little extreme with our over politeness with vaping and some of us are a little rude and combative with out vaping habbits. Now we just sit here and ..... at each other about who is right and who is wrong.
I call B.S. on all of it. What we really need to do is take a reporter out on the street and shove his head right in front of a cars exhaust pipe and let him or her inhale on that for a while. Once they are choking and gagging on the exhaust fumes, we can bring them up, sit them down and even buy them a beer. Then pull out our vapes and say. Do you prefer the exhaust fumes, or the vape? We all know that is the real culprit. The stinking news media.
But we sit here and throw stones at each other when the reality of it is that we are all on the same boat. So the need for arguing about something that we all like is a bit ridiculous. Don' you think. Probably the best thing we can do is support each other and sites like ECF and even join CASAA.
OK, so maybe I was a bit on the violent side when i was talking about the news reporters. But they just kind of get on my nerves when they report about our children becoming addicted to cigarettes because of vaping. Especially when I see that look of righteousness in their smug faces as the preach to us all. MAybe we should just smak em across the face instead of forcing them to inhale exhaust fumes.
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